It’s also a good thing that COVID is not even remotely close to as bad as polio. Like not even in the same dimension. But thanks for another mindless comment. Did you hear that on CNN?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
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It’s also a good thing that COVID is not even remotely close to as bad as polio. Like not even in the same dimension. But thanks for another mindless comment. Did you hear that on CNN?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
“Everything is political with you” says the guy who everything he posts is actually political. If you cared about saving lives you would actually try to understand science, instead of parroting crap like “horse medicine”.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases. Because wait for it, they weren’t actually hospitalized for COVID. They may not even have had it given PCR test sensitivity issues. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...campaign=share
What would that mean then, if these people should die?
Funny, I swear someone here speculated on this very thing a year ago, and now a left-lean media outlet reports it. Spoiler alert.
Speaking of spoiler alerts, how’s Florida doing these days?
Sigh..nevermindQuote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
For kids, he's not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
This seems vaguely familiar to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
This is being picked up and reported all over the MSM. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Polio:
Covid:Quote:
Outbreaks occurred regularly in the United States through the 1950s, with two major polio outbreaks in 1916 and in 1952. Of the 57,628 reported cases in 1952, there were 3,145 deaths.
In 1955, Dr. Jonas Salk’s vaccine was approved. It was quickly adopted throughout the world. By 1962, the average number of cases dropped to 910. The CDCTrusted Source reports that the United States has been polio-free since 1979.
663,000 deaths and counting in the US. Maybe people should get vaccinated.
Maybe stop moving the goal posts, Paul. You specifically referenced children.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
You didn't answer my last question (an increasingly common pattern with you these days): Do you think people should have a choice in the matter of the COVID vaccination?
Your question seeks to make a political argument about the vaccine.
I am saddened it has become that sort of question, rather than one about public health.
It's like asking you if you think people should drive on the right side of the road in the United States.
We use to come together to face a public health crisis. Sadly in the case of Covid, it has become divisive, not unifying.
Once the vaccine is approved for children, if that occurs, then yes, I would support them taking it...the same way I was vaccinated and protected from polio in the early '50's.
This is not the government trying to dictate to you. This is employers and sporting events. It has nothing to do with the constitution, it’s the real world. I just stated some facts. To call it “unamerican” is just silly. You have the right to refuse the shots, obviously. There may be consequences, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
The Fed told businesses they must mandate the vax, the employees must take tests or no work. Fascism by definition. Unamerican in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
1. That’s only for employers with 100 employees +Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
2. It’s not really a mandate when you have the option of getting tested instead of taking a vaccine
3. It is very American to do everything possible to keep people healthy and safe
4. No ones opinion is going to change here, I request to the mods this thread is either moved like the politics thread was or closed completely
This is always bizarre to me. Particularly from someone who has posted about 500 times on the thread. Just don't read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
I think this will be a problem for the validity of the mandate. Isn’t Biden looking to have OSHA make this an emergency regulation? OSHA deals with safety for everyone. Shouldn’t people working for smaller employers be safe? Why is it that it won’t apply to Postal workers? There are more than 100 of them. I think that might shoot it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
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Again, big difference between design and purpose of the polio and covid vaccines. Polio is a sterilizing immunity vaccine, i.e., eradication. On the other hand, the covid vaccine is an effective immunity vaccine, i.e., to reduce infection and serious outcomes in many cases like the flu shot. One of the reason why the flu shot is not mandated.
Medical community should have clarified this distinction and expectations early one. However after reading MID’s posted article on hospitalizations, the confidence and realistic expectations of the covid vaccine have been completely distorted by the press and politics.
Bottom line, the vaccine is still a very effective tool against covid but will not eradicate it. So, let people along with their doctor make the best decision for themselves. For me and my family, we got vaccinated.
I really think Delta was a game changer on the vaccine’s potential to eradicate. In theory there could be eradication with widespread vaccination and immunity but that ship has sailed without the ability to have worldwide distribution/acceptance of the vaccine. That is why we are seeing boosters, which is a tough spot ethically to be getting boosters while there are countries desperate for doses.
The study from the Atlantic article should be taken with a giant grain of salt and as usual is being misinterpreted on a couple levels. Not shocking, but the data is intended to show the effects of the vaccine on hospitalization. The VA does things very different than community hospitals so applying the data from the VA to the general public is a huge mistake.
Should people have the choice whether to take it or not? It's a pretty simple question, that for some reason you refuse to, or are scared to answer. Here, I'll go first. I am 100% pro-vaccine and I believe in its effectiveness in keeping people out of the ICU. However, I think it's a choice to make based on a number of different personal situations. Now you go.....Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
1. 1, 100, 1M. No authority to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
2. BS, weak, weasel word statement.
3. No. It’s American to keep yourself healthy the way you want. Your freedom to do you includes my right to be free from you.
4. Right, so mind your own business Karen.
1. Meh we shall see. My personal feeling is that it should be up to businesses, not government for the record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
2. It’s not bs, it’s the truth.
3. You have a right to choose, there are consequences to your actions. No one is forcing anyone to get a vaccine. You have a choice.
1. It is up to businesses per the Law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
2. It is and it’s a passive, weak way to present the obvious intent.
3. The Gov’t has no right to impose either the mandates or tests on private businesses or individuals. You have the right to stay the f home if you’re too damn scared of the unvaxxed.
A good amount of Supreme Court precedent would disagree with this statement. And individuals that do not want to get vaccinated are, as you would say, free to stay the f at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
You are way off on 3 by law considering lots of Supreme Court cases recently and probably number one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Number 2 you can have your opinion all you want but mandate is a pretty poor word choice given the definition of the word and the ability to choose within this context
I’m not scared of the unvaxxed, I just think if they don’t have a medical or religious reason to not do it, they are stupid.
Don’t care. The 5th Amendment is very clear on this. The Court has been wrong and has overreached its Constitutional authority before. The Constitution is the Law. F your precedents.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
5th Amendment. Get out of here with precedents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
The Feds cannot force a test nor know your personal papers without warrant/due process. So go ahead and drag everyone into court who refuses or STFU.
Is this you agreeing or did you have something you wanted to say but realized facts would destroy whatever it was?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Oh dear gawd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Understand science by following what most of the medical community says or doing internet sleuthing and thinking you know more than they do because you did your own research?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Polio: IFR >20%; Covid IFR 0.3%.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Polio: Base Ro comparable to delta.
Oh and “long polio” meant paralysis, particularly in kids. That’s worse than jacked up taste.
Finally you forgot to put the “*” after your total deaths to indicate they are grossly over counted.
[QUOTE=Muskie in dayton;708638]Is this you agreeing or did you have something you wanted to say but realized facts would destroy whatever it was?[/QUOTE
Comparing two diseases to me is stupid when it they have both accounted for a whole lot of death and other issues.
It’s not my fault you didn’t listen to your Civics teacher because he/she wasn’t as smart as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
So you know and have studied the law to the point where you understand what the founding fathers meant by the fifth amendment more than the Supreme Court? Get a gripQuote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Who decides which scientists/Drs. make up the “community”?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
It’s not that hard Ville and someone as smart as you should be able to figure it out. Or do you believe the SCOTUS is infallible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
It’s difficult for you to understand apparently since it has been interpreted in a way that goes against your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
If you want to go ahead and act this obtuse then it’s not worth a discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
The SCOTUS interprets laws not the Constitution. No law has been passed. Nothing to interpret and no reason to adhere to BS orders from an overreaching Executive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
What happened to the Left? In the past the ACLU would’ve been all over this.
That’s an honest question you obviously lacked the intellectual curiosity to ask yourself. Not surprised. You’re the smartest guy in any crowd so why ask questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Holy shit. They don’t interpret the constitution? Read a book, seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
You think you are way smarter than you actually are.