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09-21-2022, 03:41 PM
Masterofreality

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I'll give Warren the benefit of the doubt as her grandmother told her she had Indian heritage.
Not sure about Schiff, but the Republican Senate committee said there was proof the Russians meddled in our election, and I think I'll trust them on that.
Fedderman seems to have screwed up, and also doesn't seem smart enough to admit it.

What that all has to do with your precinct I'm not quite sure. As a veteran, I'm upset by anyone who claims experiences in the Armed Services they didn't have, for political gain.

Of course you’ll give your side the “Benefit of the doubt”. But there is no doubt. Warren got into programs because she unequivocally claimed Native American heritage which was disproven by a DNA test. Sure! I’ll claim that I’m the nephew of a Nigerian Prince- so I can get my benefits!! Wild.
You keep going back to this “what the Republican Senate Committee” allegedly found. What they found was that Manafort, who was indicted for tax issues not sedition issues, had ties to UKRANIAN oligarchs, not “Russian” although Ukrainian & Russian were considered combined in the report. As has been seen, there is one helluva difference between the two countries, or have you not heard about a 7 month war that has gone on? The extent of “Russian Meddling” in the 2016 election was $1,300 worth of Facebook ads. “Meddling” does not equal “Collusion” no matter what kind of vocabulary gymnastics you try to put on it. Oh That’s it. Just stop.
You “aren’t sure” about Schiff because he has never produced a shred of evidence for his twice published claims and has never been called to account for his lies.
Fedderman speaks for himself.
Conclusion. Politicians and Candidates misrepresent & lie all the time. But you only point out the convenient ones for you.
Totally Disingenuous and Deceptive.
09-21-2022, 04:02 PM
xuphan

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Of course you’ll give your side the “Benefit of the doubt”. But there is no doubt. Warren got into programs because she unequivocally claimed Native American heritage which was disproven by a DNA test. Sure! I’ll claim that I’m the nephew of a Nigerian Prince- so I can get my benefits!! Wild.
You keep going back to this “what the Republican Senate Committee” allegedly found. What they found was that Manafort, who was indicted for tax issues not sedition issues, had ties to UKRANIAN oligarchs, not “Russian” although Ukrainian & Russian were considered combined in the report. As has been seen, there is one helluva difference between the two countries, or have you not heard about a 7 month war that has gone on? The extent of “Russian Meddling” in the 2016 election was $1,300 worth of Facebook ads. “Meddling” does not equal “Collusion” no matter what kind of vocabulary gymnastics you try to put on it. Oh That’s it. Just stop.
You “aren’t sure” about Schiff because he has never produced a shred of evidence for his twice published claims and has never been called to account for his lies.
Fedderman speaks for himself.
Conclusion. Politicians and Candidates misrepresent & lie all the time. But you only point out the convenient ones for you.
Totally Disingenuous and Deceptive.

100% agree with this and a major issue within our country.
09-21-2022, 07:21 PM
paulxu

Not sure where you get your information:

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The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence alleged Manafort collaborated with Russians, including oligarch Oleg Deripaska and “Russian intelligence officer” Konstantin Kilimnik, before, during, and after the election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN25E1US

But I certainly agree politicians are notorious for stretching the truth.
You point out the Dems, and I'll point out the Republicans...especially ones who:

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The panel found Manafort’s role and proximity to Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence, saying his “high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services... represented a grave counterintelligence threat.”

Curiously it's not me pointing these things out which get you upset with me...but your fellow Republicans who are senators.
Maybe you should take up your dissatisfaction with them.
09-21-2022, 07:34 PM
Masterofreality

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Not sure where you get your information:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN25E1US

But I certainly agree politicians are notorious for stretching the truth.
You point out the Dems, and I'll point out the Republicans...especially ones who:

Curiously it's not me pointing these things out which get you upset with me...but your fellow Republicans who are senators.
Maybe you should take up your dissatisfaction with them.

Paul. No one gives a shit about a dedunked “collusion” narrative. No. One, but you. No matter how much you keep trying to blame Republicans who only had flawed and compromised information to work from. But you just keep losing sleep over falsehoods. Not healthy. I’m done talking about something that was totally unproven. If there was proof, where is Schiff to produce it? “Crickets”.

But I will continue to rail about the horrible Iran nuclear deal that you do firmly support-in error.
From the Wall Street Journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-snapb...al-11663794529
09-21-2022, 07:47 PM
paulxu

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Curiously it's not me pointing these things out which get you upset with me...but your fellow Republicans who are senators.
Maybe you should take up your dissatisfaction with them.

Bump.
09-21-2022, 08:09 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Bump.

Bounce. Liz Cheney.
09-22-2022, 07:09 AM
xubrew

The NY AG is suing Trump. I don’t entirely understand what is happening. It’s a civil suit. Is she claiming that she was injured or damaged? Is she claiming NY was injured or damaged? If that’s the claim, is the claim legit?

If he did this so a bank would loan him money, shouldn’t the bank that loaned him the money be a part of the suit??

Is this just yet another case of a Democrat doing something incredibly stupid at the worst possible time that will ultimately backfire?? Or is their actually something to this??
09-22-2022, 07:30 AM
paulxu

I would guess that she is claiming that NY lost tax revenue because he undervalued the properties for tax purposes.
Not sure about the overvaluing for more favorable loan treatment and how that "hurts" NY.
09-22-2022, 08:23 AM
xubrew

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I would guess that she is claiming that NY lost tax revenue because he undervalued the properties for tax purposes.
Not sure about the overvaluing for more favorable loan treatment and how that "hurts" NY.

Okay, this makes SOME sense. New York was injured because he undervalued his properties and paid less in taxes than what he should have. SOME of that makes sense. The part that doesn't make sense (at least to me) is that sounds more like a crime than anything else. So...why the CIVIL suit??

I really am just trying to understand what is going on with this. My gut reaction right now is that it's a bunch of bullshit and that nothing will be gained from pursuing this. My thoughts of feelings on Trump are pretty well documented, but let's stick to going after him for the laws that he actually broke and the damage that he actually caused. Bullshit litigation may end up backfiring. Having said that, though, I'm not a legal expert.
09-22-2022, 10:19 AM
Masterofreality

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Bump.

Hey. I’m not upset. I just continually laugh at your abject refusal to accept reality. I love batting away your misguided premises like mosquitos. You just keep serving up those softballs, and I’ll keep taking you deep.
And you have zero answer to my point.
If there akshually was collusion, and ya boi Schiff had all this proof (we know he hates Trump and would take him to the cleaners if he did), why hasn’t he produced anything????
As you say-“I assume” because it never happened and he has no proof.
The ultimate liar.