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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Frankly, there is nothing wrong with what DeSantis is doing. He's well within his authority as Gov.

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Actually there's a lot wrong with what DeSantis is doing:

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Florida's migrant relocation program, according to the budget language which DeSantis signed into law, says the program should move migrants who are "unlawfully present" in the United States "from this state," meaning the flights from Texas to Massachusetts would not have been covered by the budget, language and anyone relocated as part of the program was not legally allowed to be in the US.

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The migrants moved by DeSantis were lawfully present, asylum seekers.
They were not "from this state" of Florida

But he wants to be mini-Trump, so he doesn't even have to obey the laws he, himself, signs. I understand that.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Actually there's a lot wrong with what DeSantis is doing:



The migrants moved by DeSantis were lawfully present, asylum seekers.
They were not "from this state" of Florida

But he wants to be mini-Trump, so he doesn't even have to obey the laws he, himself, signs. I understand that.

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Akshualli DeSantis is being “mini Biden” by doing exactly what Biden did- taking illegal migrants that originally crossed into Texas then flew them all over the country to other states to hide what overcrowded conditions there were at Border shelters. Some of those people were flown to Florida.
Oh, the horror of 50 people of color migrants in Lilly white Martha’s Vinyard- who ridded themselves of those interlopers as soon as possible!!!
Some “Sanctuary”!!!

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It will likely play better than an open border.

Don't change the focus on where the crazy originates.

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And everyone should focus on the cost of what Biden is allowing at the boarder, is to the American people. We're talking MILLIONS of illegals in just 21 months. The cost to feed and house that number is a massive burden on taxpayers. I'm going to assume that this administration has instructed them to go immediately to local Health and Family Services for Food Stamps, cash assistance and MEDICAID.....for MILLIONS (5?). Sadly, we're only 21 months into a FOUR YEAR term.

Now let's talk Fentanyl and what that is costing Americans. The cost is LIVES!

It is estimated that there was 100,000 overdose deaths of Fentanyl last year. That's hard to wrap your mind around folks. Especially with you consider that a very large percentage of those are young people just getting started in life. Yes, most of them are addicts that know the risks, but unfortunately it's an increasing problem on college campuses. These are our best and brightest, who's lives are being snuffed out using this poison recreationally or unknowingly disguised as something else.

How much longer will the American people stand for this madness? When will Dem voters view this as disqualifying for any politician in support of Biden and this crushing open boarder policy?

Actually, federal law prohibits the transfer across state lines of "illegal" immigrants.
So, any that Biden (like DeSantis) transferred were asylum seekers, as their paper work in Massachusetts indicated.

Florida law (as I pointed out) prohibits what DeSantis did. I think he went for a refuel in Florida to probably claim he was removing them from Florida.
But I don't think that works when you brought them there in the first place.

And of course he's making great press out of promising to continue to break the law. You almost have to admire his candor...if it wasn't against the law.
Like Trump, breaking laws is not a concern.

I know you're a big Biden supporter Paul, but what do you think about his boarder policy and to what degree are you in favor of what's going on down there?

I think the border policy (different than the last president because people aren't being turned away under the Covid rules) is an enormously difficult situation.
It would be nuts to think the current president is happy with how things are going, but there are only a limited number of available options when people arrive for asylum. Despite that, record numbers were returned last year:

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But by the end of 2021, as apprehensions hit levels not seen in 20 years and over 1.5 million people arrived at the border and crossed for the first time, Border Patrol agents carried out over 1,000,000 expulsions and deportations,

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https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...unters-in-2021

We are not unique; worldwide there have been massive migration situations that strain the countries who receive the migrants.
Millions from the civil war and famine in Syria were dispersed; millions more from Ukraine following the invasion.
And the thousands that show up on our border looking for work, seeking a better life, fleeing oppression.

It's a tough, tough situation for everyone involved. What I really dislike is it becoming a political football, rather than being treated as a humanitarian crisis.
Having people like DeSantis charter executive jets to play up some issue like a little dictator does not help the situation at all.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Actually, federal law prohibits the transfer across state lines of "illegal" immigrants.
So, any that Biden (like DeSantis) transferred were asylum seekers, as their paper work in Massachusetts indicated.

Florida law (as I pointed out) prohibits what DeSantis did. I think he went for a refuel in Florida to probably claim he was removing them from Florida.
But I don't think that works when you brought them there in the first place.

And of course he's making great press out of promising to continue to break the law. You almost have to admire his candor...if it wasn't against the law.
Like Trump, breaking laws is not a concern.

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Akshually, then, Biden has been violating the law by YOUR standards, which, of course, are barely above ground level.
Channel 4 in Jacksonville investigated and found 78 charter flights full of Illegal aliens that had landed at Jacksonville International Airport BY DARK OF NIGHT over 6 months in 2021 alone. Of course the lying Biden Admin claims that they are children but The I Team could not verify that claim. After these migrants landed there is no record of where they went. By the way, the Florida Attorney General said that what DeSantis is doing is PERFECTLY legal under Florida law.
Paul, you are blind to facts. All DeSantis is doing is helping Biden spread it around more, you know, to “Sanctuary Cities” that are allegedly “welcoming”.
Until they aren’t.

https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2021...last-6-months/

And by the way. A Honduran migrant ... posed as a teenager at the U.S.-Mexico border and was put on a flight to Jacksonville in August. Medina-Ulloa is now accused of killing a father of four in Arlington last month.

Finally, per the Chair of Georgetown Law: Nothing that DeSantis has done is illegal.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...-or-kidnapper/

“ In reality, if transporting undocumented migrants after they are released into the country is to be judged criminal, then the Biden administration would be the largest “coyote” in history.”

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Actually, federal law prohibits the transfer across state lines of "illegal" immigrants.
So, any that Biden (like DeSantis) transferred were asylum seekers, as their paper work in Massachusetts indicated.

Florida law (as I pointed out) prohibits what DeSantis did. I think he went for a refuel in Florida to probably claim he was removing them from Florida.
But I don't think that works when you brought them there in the first place.

And of course he's making great press out of promising to continue to break the law. You almost have to admire his candor...if it wasn't against the law.
Like Trump, breaking laws is not a concern.

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Again, to what degree are you in favor of Biden's boarder policy?

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

Again, to what degree are you in favor of Biden's boarder policy?

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Is “boarder policy” some right wing turn of phrase? You have used it twice now, so I am not sure if I am missing a talking point here or it is just a typo?

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Is “boarder policy” some right wing turn of phrase? You have used it twice now, so I am not sure if I am missing a talking point here or it is just a typo?

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Huh?

Biden and his administration allowing illegals to pour over the boarder, is obviously his POLICY....... he's the freakin' President.