Covid-19

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

But again there have already been some reports that people who have already had, got it again.

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This is a great example of MSM sensationalism. I saw this play out a few days ago on one of the MSM news programs. The network teaser is something like, "People testing positive for COVID-19 a second time" is the network news teaser. Then when you get the full story, it's someone being tested periodically during recovery who test negative, maybe multiple times, then has another positive test. This is expected because:
1) The virus will remain in one's body at varying levels during recovery, and the test may or may not pick it up.
2) The test has a high false negative rate.

This is why a series of negative tests is required over a period of time to release someone from the hospital.

The news won't mention these facts, and even if they did, many people don't understand the uncertainty in any analytical testing method. Hence the misinformation spreads.

There are some interesting deets in this article that shed some light in the lack of testing.

Basically there have been incompetent people in positions that are making decisions about public health. This is still the most pressing need in the community especially as we start lifting sanctions. Where is the antibody test we heard about a few weeks ago? Well, it turns out it has been faulty, too, just like the early PCR tests.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

There are some interesting deets in this article that shed some light in the lack of testing.

Basically there have been incompetent people in positions that are making decisions about public health. This is still the most pressing need in the community especially as we start lifting sanctions. Where is the antibody test we heard about a few weeks ago? Well, it turns out it has been faulty, too, just like the early PCR tests.

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And right on cue comes Lib Lloyd waiting to pounce on some non-story that is put out there by an extremely Biased source. How do you know this guy is incompentent? Is Fauci incompetent too? And Maybe Brian Harrison has proven, good organizational skills? Like there aren't plenty of medical people on this task force already?

One line in the story exposes the bias against the US administration- "Like many US Officials underestimated the severity..." Uh, kinda like the WHO "underestimated the severity" in January? Weren't "US Officials" initially looking to an organization like the WHO to provide important information about this thing? Maybe US Intel had other info, maybe not, but to just blatantly narrowly blame the administration is garbage reporting, and just another effort at "Gotcha!! Why aren't all of the entities involved that "underestimated the severity" called out?

Instead of recklessly blaming politicians, many of whom are trying to desperately find anything that can control this issue- including following some routes that may be dead ends in a rush to get to a better place, just concentrate on getting the public the drugs, vaccines, and other items to put this in the rearview mirror.

Finally Lloyd. Testing or not. Where the hell are all the hospitalizations that were predicted in this state? So there was plenty of testing at Marion, which resulted in a spike of over 2000 cases reported, yet there hasn't been a corresponding huge spike in hospitalizations and ICU admits.
Yeah, precautions are appropriate, like masks and distancing, but this screaming for "TESTING" is increasingly becoming a red herring.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

There are some interesting deets in this article that shed some light in the lack of testing.

Basically there have been incompetent people in positions that are making decisions about public health. This is still the most pressing need in the community especially as we start lifting sanctions. Where is the antibody test we heard about a few weeks ago? Well, it turns out it has been faulty, too, just like the early PCR tests.

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These are, in my opinion, the kinds of things that happen more often when you have a amateur Government led by an individual with a deeply flawed management style.

Take Alex Azar for example: It looks pretty likely at this point, based on confirmation from multiple sources, that he underestimated risk and essentially mis-represented the preparedness of his organization to Trump. While you can't blame Trump for Azar misleading him, you can blame him for creating an environment where his top advisers only share news that he wants to hear. I think it seems pretty clear at this point that it was this dynamic that led to the ouster of people like James Mattis and John Kelly - they consistently voiced their opinions on matters within their purview that didn't align with what Trump wanted to hear. Anybody who has worked in an organization that has operated this way can see what the pitfalls are. It works OK, until it doesn't. Then it gets very bad.

It's amazing to me how some people will defend anything this organization does. It's also funny how the narrative shifts as the situation evolves (or devolves as is often the case with Trump). For example: initially people acknowledged the flaws in Trump's leadership style, but it was OK because he was smart enough to appoint people like Mattis and Kelly to key positions. Then he forced them out and the narrative had to change. Now there is nothing wrong with Trump's leadership style at all, and all these people are totally qualified.

Sounds like it's time for some posts to move to the Politics thread.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Sounds like it's time for some posts to move to the Politics thread.

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Post of the year. You should read back through your comments in this thread. You can start with the one where you called a guy 'lib Lloyd' for posting an article that was critical of your deity and work backward from there.

Wow... “Lib Lloyd”? I kinda like it. I know someone else who likes to tweet out alliterations and I imagine that would be in the short list of nick names he would have for me if given the opportunity.

I wasn’t aware Reuters was “extremely biased” as you say. Guess I should be reading more credible news? The article actually gives some kudos to Pence, as things seemed to get on track when he took over. I guess that’s bullshit too?

Testing is critical if we want to get back to normalcy. It’s not a red herring, it’s what is needed to give clearance for someone to work, and peace of mind to give the general public confidence. You do realize you can’t wave a magic wand on thy right? The economy doesn’t go back to normal with lifted sanctions, people will still avoid going out.

You can continue to defend this administration, but for someone who doesn’t like settling for mediocre leaders I do find your defense of this administration somewhat contradictory. Unless you hold the coach of Xavier basketball to a higher standard than the President.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Wow... “Lib Lloyd”? I kinda like it. I know someone else who likes to tweet out alliterations and I imagine that would be in the short list of nick names he would have for me if given the opportunity.

I wasn’t aware Reuters was “extremely biased” as you say. Guess I should be reading more credible news? The article actually gives some kudos to Pence, as things seemed to get on track when he took over. I guess that’s bullshit too?

Testing is critical if we want to get back to normalcy. It’s not a red herring, it’s what is needed to give clearance for someone to work, and peace of mind to give the general public confidence. You do realize you can’t wave a magic wand on thy right? The economy doesn’t go back to normal with lifted sanctions, people will still avoid going out.

You can continue to defend this administration, but for someone who doesn’t like settling for mediocre leaders I do find your defense of this administration somewhat contradictory. Unless you hold the coach of Xavier basketball to a higher standard than the President.

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Testing has now become the buzzword for keeping society on lockdown. And no answer from the medical expert as to where the hospitalizations are and ICU admits after all of that testing at Marion? In a prison where things are not sanitary, in much closer quarters than normal society?
Yeah, just keep blowing that testing siren, when even many of the leading medical people in this state and nation say there is no need for it for most people, but the media does to keep this thing alive to hold something over the Administration's head.
Screw that. Keep using precautions, keep doing research, and get a vaccine. And if you can't see the bias in that report, if not from Reuters, which is London based entity then that particular reporter, then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Wow... “Lib Lloyd”? I kinda like it. I know someone else who likes to tweet out alliterations and I imagine that would be in the short list of nick names he would have for me if given the opportunity.

I wasn’t aware Reuters was “extremely biased” as you say. Guess I should be reading more credible news? The article actually gives some kudos to Pence, as things seemed to get on track when he took over. I guess that’s bullshit too?

Testing is critical if we want to get back to normalcy. It’s not a red herring, it’s what is needed to give clearance for someone to work, and peace of mind to give the general public confidence. You do realize you can’t wave a magic wand on thy right? The economy doesn’t go back to normal with lifted sanctions, people will still avoid going out.

You can continue to defend this administration, but for someone who doesn’t like settling for mediocre leaders I do find your defense of this administration somewhat contradictory. Unless you hold the coach of Xavier basketball to a higher standard than the President.

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I would rate this post as Fair. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Post of the year. You should read back through your comments in this thread. You can start with the one where you called a guy 'lib Lloyd' for posting an article that was critical of your deity and work backward from there.

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Ha! What is political about continually pointing out the flaws in the models that a Republican Governor is using to defend his power to lock down an entire state? That is what I've been doing.

And sure. Move the last few posts today of Lloyd's, yours, and mine all over to the politics thread. I'm fine with it.