What was the direct question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
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What was the direct question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Strange asked: “What did we give up to have inspectors in the country (of Iran).Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Seems pretty clear to me.
By the way, even your Bible- The New York Times- thinks this is a bad deal, leaving the US “weaker and meeker”.
Not just “One Man’s Opinion”.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/o...eal-biden.html
Here's how easily you are duped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
The underground facility at Fordow has been know since it was announced in 2009 by the leaders of the US, France and Great Britain.
When the JCPOA was signed in 2015, Fordow was known about for a long time. Inspectors went in, and were there until Trump pulled us out of the agreement (not a wise course). Iran was complying with the agreement stipulations up until then,
Now they aren't since we pulled out,
Your "article" makes it sound like they just discovered some flagrant activity there. It ramped up production AFTER Trump pulled us out.
Yet you go on like it's some incredible find.
I sure wish you would study the full history of this issue and the effort by many people, including the United States, to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.
Sanctions alone don't work as North Korea has proven. Much better to have a framework of inspections.
I get it now. We primarily allowed them to sell oil on the international market and unfroze some of their overseas assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
If you are really interested in understanding the JCPOA, here is a good one page summary:
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...licy/iran-deal
Iran gave up it's stockpile as agreed, and let inspectors in with unfettered access; until Trump pulled us out.
Here's another good recap if you want to know more particulars:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655
Ha! BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Of course Fordow has been known about since 2009. No one is disputing that. However, as discovered by Israel raiding a Teheran warehouse in 2018, Iran never stopped enriching uranium for military purposes. They just shielded it before Trump claiming it was for domestic purposes only. PLUS, Iran has been called upon to GIVE UP NOTHING in this deal.
Just like China has given up nothing in climate negotiations other than empty promises while they build new coal plants.
Two of a kind and you, sir, are the Dupee.
But even the most cursory examination of the deal reveals that it resolves nothing. On the contrary, it permits Tehran to keep everything it needs to build a nuclear bomb, even including, for example, the secure bunker dug deep under a mountain near Fordow. Designed to shield Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities from attack, Fordow’s sole purpose is military in nature. We know this with certainty thanks to the nuclear archive that the Israelis captured in a Tehran warehouse in 2018. What’s more, the deal permits Tehran to make advances in its weapons program—by, for example, developing advanced centrifuges—even while its nuclear activities are still formally under international restrictions.
The upshot is this: By 2031, under the terms of this supposedly excellent deal, Iran will have a major, unfettered nuclear weapons program.”
One last thing. If this Iran deal is so great, why has Obama and soon Biden, go to great pains to not call it a treaty so it doesn’t have to be submitted to Congress for approval?
Know why? Because it would never be approved.
Nothing like Renegade Diplomacy… but that’s the characteristic of Guys like Obama and Biden who rule by Executive Order, even if it’s unconstitutional.
Meanwhile, the January 6 committee has officially sobpoenaed Kevin McCarthy, Jim Jordan and a few other high-profile Republicans in contact with Donald Trump on 1/6 to testify before the committee.
Pretty sure they're all going to tell the committee to pound sand - leaving a question of how willing will Congress be to hold them in contempt if they decide not to play ball. They've already declined to voluntarily testify.
I think you meant Gym Jordan.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-band '01
Yup the veil is off of the Name Calling “Centrist”.Quote:
Originally Posted by xuphan
The Leftist playbook is in full evidence.
Haha, the name calling “centrist” Here is a non exhaustive list of Donald Trumps name calling. Didn’t think Donald Trump was part of the leftist playbook. Thanks for clearing that up.
Sleepy Joe
Crooked Hillary
Shifty Schiff
Crazy Bernie
Pochahontas
Low Energy Jeb
Wacky Susan Collins
Lyin Ted
Cryin Adam
Broken Old Crow Mitch
Fat Jerry
Little Marco Rubio
Cryin Chuck
So what's your point? Who cares? Trump isn't the president - it's the idiot you voted for that is. Do you think we're all a bunch of stupid Democrat voters here who can't see through your guise?Quote:
Originally Posted by xuphan
We're all still here waiting for that very first "extremist" label/speech on something Bobbie or Paul posts. Why hasn't that happened yet?
Come out of the closet, Phan, everyone here knows your political POV. Are you a starving actor on the side?