As usual, more muddying the water and semantics games from Brew. Some day, it would be nice for you to actually engage in a serious discussion without resorting to cute obfuscations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
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As usual, more muddying the water and semantics games from Brew. Some day, it would be nice for you to actually engage in a serious discussion without resorting to cute obfuscations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Um, correctly citing that police protection is not is not a right is a semantics game to you further illustrates your shallow thinking when it comes to these topics. The 2nd amendment gives YOU the right to protect your right to life.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-man
As always. Thanks for playing.
I don't know, or care, about whether or not healthcare is a right.
All I know, is that thanks to The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act people with or without insurance, get medical attention when they really need it. When people need attention they either have insurance, foot the bill if they can, take out massive amounts of debt, foot the bill to to the government+hospitals, or just don't go. That's an obsolete system which is an enormous drag on the economy.
This isn't a question of whether or not people should get healthcare from the government, because they already do. The government can fund it, encourage prevention practices like annual checkups, negotiate lower drug prices, or not and let it ruin some people's lives while paying the bill for others anyway.
Did you read what I wrote? I didn't say police protection was a right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I said life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were rights.
Then I noted we as a society decided to support the right to life with the protection a police department affords the citizens.
We also fund a military to protect us. We do a lot of things to support those basic rights. Some of the ideas are enshrined in amendments.
We could, if we so chose, decide to support life with basic health care for all the people. Other countries have.
Your local society created the police to enforce the laws passed by representatives at many levels. Your local gov't or your state could also create a healthcare system. If you'd like the Feds to do so you could ask your Federal representative to propose an Amendment to the Constitution. If it passed it would then truly represent the majority of citizens granting that power away from the people and the states to the Feds.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Edit: Funding for the military is in the part of Constitution I mentioned. Police and healthcare are not.
The federal government empowered the FBI across state lines, the military nation wide, etc.
It wouldn't take a constitutional amendment to create universal health care.
Just look at how other countries have done it.
The military is used throughout the country? That's terrifying and against the law (Google the Posse Comitatus Act for more info) unless you mean the National Gaird which is used at the discretion of the Governor of each state. Maybe it wouldn't require an amendment but it should since it is a large transfer of individual liberty (you know that thing mentioned along with the right to life) and the right to freedom of association.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Frankly, I don't give a rat's behind what other countries have done. Most of them don't allow for the freedoms we have in this country.
Nice. I'm quite sure you know I meant the military protects the entire country. And they sure are based all over the country.
And you ignored the point I was making that we could decide, collectively, to support the idea of "promoting the general Welfare" create a health care system for all. You don't give a rat's behind about those other countries, but they may be onto something.
Great. You want that. Others like myself do not. I think doing anything "collectively" is bullshit (obviously there are exceptions). You want a large government and other want a limited one. That's why we have elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Providing a commmon defense and promoting the General Welfare are defined by Article 1, Section 2. Healthcare is not mentioned so we should add an Amendment if that's the route the vast majority and not just a little less than half of the collective wants to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu