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Originally Posted by noteggs

Think your post is half right. Don’t see a lot of Biden defense though. Much to defend these days, but…

Still see a lot of Trump stuff here months later. Can’t completely blame people because they are just parroting the news.

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Trump is going to make sure people keep talking about Trump. It's what he does, and is basically his livelihood. I don't know if he is going to run again or not, but he is going to tease it up until the 11th hour if he doesn't run.

I don't know how many people enthusiastically voted for Biden (vs. enthusiastically voting against Trump), but that probably plays a role in the lack of defense of Biden. I would also imagine that there are a lot of people who voted for Biden, aren't particularly happy with the job he is doing, but didn't really expect him to do a very good job so they aren't surprised. I'm kind of in that camp - the only thing that has really surprised me about Biden is just how badly he F'd up the Afghanistan withdrawal. The rest is kind of what I expected.

Having said that: I will never under any circumstances vote for Trump, especially given the aftermath of the last election, so I would absolutely vote for Biden again if forced to choose between Biden and Trump in 2024. I just hope it doesn't come down to that.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Trump is going to make sure people keep talking about Trump. It's what he does, and is basically his livelihood. I don't know if he is going to run again or not, but he is going to tease it up until the 11th hour if he doesn't run.

I don't know how many people enthusiastically voted for Biden (vs. enthusiastically voting against Trump), but that probably plays a role in the lack of defense of Biden. I would also imagine that there are a lot of people who voted for Biden, aren't particularly happy with the job he is doing, but didn't really expect him to do a very good job so they aren't surprised. I'm kind of in that camp - the only thing that has really surprised me about Biden is just how badly he F'd up the Afghanistan withdrawal. The rest is kind of what I expected.

Having said that: I will never under any circumstances vote for Trump, especially given the aftermath of the last election, so I would absolutely vote for Biden again if forced to choose between Biden and Trump in 2024. I just hope it doesn't come down to that.

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Fair points for the most part. Agree, Trump will attempt to make sure he stays relevant for some. Think him running again would be disastrous for the party and on board with him never running again. However, what I’m talking about is from this board and with the media on Trump’s past behaviors or blaming him for all of Biden’s failures.

Even, though I did like Trump’s policies (except for the spending) while in office, the J6 moment really lost it for me. Actually can say same thing with Biden and Afghanistan. Number one job for the President is to keep citizens safe and leaving them behind is unconscionable. Most would agree leaving only one behind is one too many. Finally, add in the fact he has only addressed the issue once since the final days of withdrawal. Still voting for him after this issue alone would be sad in my view.

If Trump were still in office, their still would be wall to wall coverage and press would be hunting down every stranded person and doing reports.
I knew the press would try to defend and protect him, but wish they would seek those stranded so we can get them all back safely vs ignoring the incompetency.

Side note: surprised how liberal/progressive and divisive Biden has become. Also saddened we have only two real moderate Democrats left in the Senate.

This Administration is preposterous.
Everyone sees through this debt ceiling charade. This is why they never want Biden to answer questions. He just gives the game away.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

This thread is quite a journey. Now the some of the guys who were admonishing everyone for having 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' are rage posting about Joe Biden multiple times a day and touting approval rating polls while the other guys are jumping through hoops to defend Biden.

It's like you've switched bodies!

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Mr. Paul is amazingly silent. Continually. I see zero defense of Biden and his lies on here.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Trump is going to make sure people keep talking about Trump. It's what he does, and is basically his livelihood. I don't know if he is going to run again or not, but he is going to tease it up until the 11th hour if he doesn't run.

I don't know how many people enthusiastically voted for Biden (vs. enthusiastically voting against Trump), but that probably plays a role in the lack of defense of Biden. I would also imagine that there are a lot of people who voted for Biden, aren't particularly happy with the job he is doing, but didn't really expect him to do a very good job so they aren't surprised. I'm kind of in that camp - the only thing that has really surprised me about Biden is just how badly he F'd up the Afghanistan withdrawal. The rest is kind of what I expected.

Having said that: I will never under any circumstances vote for Trump, especially given the aftermath of the last election, so I would absolutely vote for Biden again if forced to choose between Biden and Trump in 2024. I just hope it doesn't come down to that.

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Do I paraphrase accurately: “Biden sucks worse than we ever thought possible, but I’ll take a ruined country over the narcissistic asshole.”

The proposed bill of $3.5 trillion is over 10 years...not in one year.
It curiously equals the Bush/Trump tax cuts that primarily benefited the wealthy.
We were fine in 2000 with a balanced budget and forecast to have a surplus (that might have helped do a lot of things).
Unneeded military ventures (not the disbanding of Al Queada) cost trillions more.
We could have done better, but didn't. Now we are left needing massive efforts to shore up our infrastructure and jump start the economy and manufacturing at home.
And I would much rather have Biden trying to address these problems than Trump, worried about his big lie that he's convinced so many suckers to believe in.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

The proposed bill of $3.5 trillion is over 10 years...not in one year.
It curiously equals the Bush/Trump tax cuts that primarily benefited the wealthy.
We were fine in 2000 with a balanced budget and forecast to have a surplus (that might have helped do a lot of things).
Unneeded military ventures (not the disbanding of Al Queada) cost trillions more.
We could have done better, but didn't. Now we are left needing massive efforts to shore up our infrastructure and jump start the economy and manufacturing at home.
And I would much rather have Biden trying to address these problems than Trump, worried about his big lie that he's convinced so many suckers to believe in.

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Tax costs don’t cost anything. Now that the wars are over let’s use that money to pay for things and keep spending where it is/was.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Tax costs don’t cost anything. Now that the wars are over let’s use that money to pay for things and keep spending where it is/was.

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Better yet let’s cut the size of government by at least 50%… as a start.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Better yet let’s cut the size of government by at least 50%… as a start.

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That suggestion while practical is unfathomable for some. I mean don’t you use the roads, police and fire dept? Just move to some anarchy State already. :)

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Originally Posted by paulxu

The proposed bill of $3.5 trillion is over 10 years...not in one year.
It curiously equals the Bush/Trump tax cuts that primarily benefited the wealthy.
We were fine in 2000 with a balanced budget and forecast to have a surplus (that might have helped do a lot of things).
Unneeded military ventures (not the disbanding of Al Queada) cost trillions more.
We could have done better, but didn't. Now we are left needing massive efforts to shore up our infrastructure and jump start the economy and manufacturing at home.
And I would much rather have Biden trying to address these problems than Trump, worried about his big lie that he's convinced so many suckers to believe in.

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Seems as if Biden is the guy who “suckered” the suckers in. And they have woken up to his incompetence.
From the latest Quinnipiac poll- a poll that is most assuredly not right leaning:
” Biden’s approve-disapprove rating is 4–94 among Republicans, it’s 32–60 among independents, and it’s 80–10 among Democrats. If Americans in 2021 are “united” around anything, it’s that they disfavor Joe Biden.

And how. By a margin of 56–41, Americans say that Biden lacks leadership skills. By a margin of 54–42, Americans say that Biden is incompetent. By a margin of 50–44, Americans say that Biden is dishonest. Worse yet, there’s no issue on which Biden is doing well. His approve–disapprove on COVID-19 is 48–50; on the economy, it’s 39–55; on his leadership of the military, it’s 37–58 . On taxes, 37 percent of Americans approve, while 54 percent disapprove; on foreign policy, it’s 34–58 percent; and on immigration, it’s a startling 25–67 percent. That last number is particularly interesting because, if you look at the cross-tabs, you see that Biden is underwater on immigration amongst Hispanics by 46 points, 23–69.”

The economy does not need “jump starting”. What it needs is for the government to get out of the damn way by not disincentivizing work and letting employers fill their jobs. It needs the government to stop harrassing businesses with threats of higher taxes to pay for unneeded programs that can’t be paid for so the businesses can grow.

We could have done better- than Biden but didn’t. By far!!