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I think it's sort of a litmus test for assholes. It's a relatively simple, but mildly annoying, thing to do that evidence overwhelmingly suggests has at least some impact on dulling the spread of the virus. You could just shut up and put the mask on, or you can make it crusade to argue against it and confront retail workers when asked to put a mask on, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
The lockdown thing I understand, as it has a major impact on people's livelihood.
I don't have a strong feeling about masks either way. If there is a mandate, I wear one. If I am in a place where everyone else is wearing one, I wear one as well. If I'm at the office or at a particular venue (generally where I play pickleball) where basically no one else is wearing one, I don't wear one.
You would think that the anti-lockdown people would be all about masks, claiming that we do not need to lockdown as we can put into place mitigation efforts that will greatly lower transmission risks. But instead it seems like the loudest voices (so probably a vocal minority) are both anti-lockdown and anit-mitigation efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Reminds me of the people who are against abortion and birth control. The lesser of the two evils can kind of prevent the other, so pragmatically it would seem to make sense to support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
You know this is a Xavier message board, right? A school that is at least loosely affiliated with the Catholic Church.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Would you think the majority of posters on this message board are against birth control?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
No, but I find it a pretty interesting dynamic. I suspect a majority of members of most parishes aren't picking up what the Catholic Church is putting down on quite a few issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
I think that is how most other Catholics sects describe the Jesuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Pro-maskers are in denial of reality - the numbers speak for themselves. I'm sorry if the only information you get is from Fauci and CNN, but the data is pretty clear that masks don't work.
How do you explain the surge in cases over the winter when 80-90% of people in this country have been wearing a mask on a consistent basis since last summer?
If masks work, how do you explain the fact that 40-70% of the country has already had Covid? You are aware that the CDC published a study back in November where they estimated that the number of cases was actually 8X the number of reported cases? Other more recent studies show that the multiple is between 4 and 10 times the reported number of cases.
Very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
My freedoms don't end because of your irrational fear and paranoia...
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Originally Posted by XU_Lou
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Originally Posted by paulxu
Note how neither of these two could answer my questions. I rest my case:Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
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Originally Posted by XU_Lou
1. Made up Number. "Consistent Basis"----what does that mean? How do you even attempt to prove that?Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
2. 40-70% made up number---rest of it is theory and scientific guesses with no facts.
So my question back to you; Why do you feel the need to die on this hill and crusade about something like a mask? I'm guessing you will say an infringement on rights. Guess I'll just run around naked in public since wearing clothes is an infringement on my rights. Lockdowns, I completely understand the "fight" against it. Masks, just effing weird.
Love your irrational fear and paranoia statement. It's not extreme fear or paranoia to wear a mask no matter how much you want it to be.
Haha! I think the Jesi’s would smile and offer you a beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
Really a stupid set of questions. I posted several links showing these precise stats on multiple occasions - from the CDC and NPR. Go back through this thread and see them - or do your own research... The data is out there, you choose to ignore it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Just what I thought. You ask people to answer your questions, I answered them. I have read those links, still does not make up for the fact that those are theories, not facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
So again...what does "Consistent Basis" mean? How do you prove that as fact since that is the stance you are taking.
Why do you feel the need to die on this hill and crusade about something like a mask?
You consistently come on here, attack others with different viewpoints from yours, find links that back up your opinions with more opinions and theory and present them as fact.
Here is one of your NPR studies that you referenced...even if this "model" is true which is a stretch because it's a model not fact, the model estimates that about a third have had covid...and describes the CDC model that you try to push off as fact as rudimentary.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...than-you-think
Do I think masks are 100% effective, no and I'm not certainly a mask crusader, but if there is even a small chance of mitigating spread, I'll wear a mask where appropriate.
I agree with you. But I’m afraid you have not only wasted your keystrokes, but also every second you spend reading whatever he posts on this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
I would say it's hard to say how effective masks are because at one point or another most of us have probably let our guard down to some degree.
Do I in public where it's required, yes. Have I chosen moments where I put myself at risk and not worn a mask like gathering with close friends and family, also yes.
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Originally Posted by Xville
I see you all passed the test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett
I think it’s more likely that the mask was protecting those around you, not so much yourself. I’m not a fanatic, I like the common sense approach. We’ve had people to the house, but open it up for fresh air. I take my mask off at the table in a restaurant, but I still go out.
I do NOT wear a mask alone in my car, or on walks around the neighborhood or a park. BUT I DO put a mask on any time I go inside a public establishment.
NOBODY knows everything about this. The smartest people in the world in this field have been working on it constantly for more than a year. They STILL have more questions than answers. Having said that, and even outside of examining all the studies, if there is ANY CHANCE the mask can help protect other people from something I might be carrying, I’m going to wear the mask. That is called......NOT being a jerk.
Are you going to keep wearing the mask once "everyone" is vaccinated and this thing is more or less over?
such anger, all the time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Mask usage:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7561164/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6943e4.htm
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...h-precautions/
https://www.aier.org/article/the-emp...fic-grounding/
https://delphi.cmu.edu/covidcast/sur...?date=20210320
https://delphi.cmu.edu/covidcast/export/
Cases greater than reported: (umm, they use antibody tests from people who donate blood, as an example, among other ways of determining the actual number of cases)
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ng-100-million
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...than-you-think
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/h...ctions-us.html
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...90e72fe3f34b1e
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...-than-reported
https://thehill.com/policy/internati...0-times-higher
https://dallasinnovates.com/a-ut-sou...than-reported/
Effectiveness of masks:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e3.htm
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1368297105119268871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXQCDemTM9A
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...ll-us-n1009481
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29...to-stop-covid/
https://noqreport.com/2021/03/07/gov...-covid-spread/
Why people are dying of covid:
34% of covid deaths were in nursing homes: https://www.aarp.org/ppi/issues/care...dashboard.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ing-homes.html
https://covidtracking.com/nursing-ho...are-facilities
39% of Coronavirus Deaths are in Nursing Homes: https://www.nbcnews.com/know-your-va...ld-ncna1250374
42% of Coronavirus Deaths are in Nursing Homes: https://www.nursinghomeabusecenter.o...nursing-homes/
73% Covid deaths were overweight: https://www.dailywire.com/news/covid...ion-of-obesity
90% Covid fatalities had > 1 comorbidity: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...r&par=sharebar
If you weren't so reactionary, and listened just a little, maybe you could learn something...
Nope, masks will fade away, like most things. Again, I’ll take the common sense approach. I think we’ll know when this is sufficiently behind us. I think we are getting there surprisingly fast as these vaccines get out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
You still canÂ’t Answer simple questions. You just keep yelling into the wind and link things that are conjecture, theory and opinion, presenting them as fact. Most of those links donÂ’t say what you think they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
Yep 100% agree and will do/act the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by xu82
I agree with you two 100% on that. As I said above, I wear the mask when I'm around others who wear the mask, and it doesn't really bother me. I was just checking how strong you were on this point, because if you're going to stop wearing the mask when the pandemic is largely behind us, this isn't quite true:
if there is ANY CHANCE the mask can help protect other people from something I might be carrying, I’m going to wear the mask.
BTW, this isn't meant to be any sort of gotcha. Just wasn't sure whether to take this seriously or literally. Glad to see it's the former and not the latter. Hope it's the world's general approach.
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Originally Posted by GoMuskies
That was mostly in annoyance at a particular anti-mask crusader/asshat (see above). I’m not 100% on many things as there is so much we don’t know about so many things. I should have said “realistic” or “significant”, etc. Truth be told, for the most part I only wear a mask in the grocery store and getting to my table in a restaurant. That’s about it, and it’s a small burden to bear.
Damn, you really are a fucking moron - just like XU82 - don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
(BTW, you guys are quite magical in being able to digest all of that information in just a few minutes)
Well, that makes a lot of fucking sense! Wear masks to protect people, but you take them off while in a restaurant? What, are you trying to be a mass murderer?Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
Logic....
Ah personal attack when you can’t answer simple questions, good deal. It’s funny what you think is fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
Will try one more time: why are you dying on this hill of anti-mask and what does consistent basis mean and how are you presenting that as fact?
To remind you one more time - it doesn't seem to sink in:Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
"Current guidance based on community exposure, for people exposed to people with known or suspected COVID-19 or possible COVID-19
Individual who has had close contact (within 6 feet for a total of 15 minutes or more)"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...endations.html
What does this prove? The absurdity of wearing masks in grocery stores, and walking to a table in a restaurant. Use your head and think for yourself!!
No, I think I answered it - you're just too fucking stupid to realize it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Well, the border and shooting in Boulder have diverted attention from the reality of Rona at this time. Imagine people will give up on masks and lockdowns in May. These issues have also taken heat off the NY Gov....Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Lou buddy, he’s not really that far off from your thoughts on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
Ah personal attack again when you can’t answer a question. You didn’t answer why you are crusading, and you didn’t answer what consistent basis means or how that is fact. Providing a link to someone else’s nonsense doesn’t prove anything. Just do me a favor and stop asking others to answer questions when you can’t simply do it yourself. DeucesQuote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
Official timeout. Booth review...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
What does it matter? Stop wasting everyone's time with obfuscation of irrelevancy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
Really? So the NIH, CDC and Carnegie Mellon University are nonsense? Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
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Originally Posted by XU_Lou
To the first statement, it’s ok I understand you don’t want to admit to everyone on the board the government conspiracy theorist that you are.
To the second point I was speaking to the links that you provided to try to answer the consistent basis question. It’s ok, it’s my own fault for going against my better judgment and waste my time proving once again your fraudulent takes.