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02-03-2021, 03:27 PM
boozehound

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Originally Posted by xubrew

I agree this seems unfair. I have no idea what the rules are at the high school level. At the college level a trans female would have to undergo a full year of anti-testosterone and hormone therapy. I think it's the same for the Olympics, but I'm not sure. If that's not the case for the high school level, and it very well may not be, then yeah...that isn't fair.

Is this stuff really widespread enough that it's worth the amount of time we spend talking about it? In general I think male-to-female transgender athletes would probably have an unfair advantage. How often is that really an issue though?

The fact that millions of people who have probably never met, let alone spoken to, a transgender person are up in arms about it seems a little ridiculous to me.
02-03-2021, 03:31 PM
boozehound

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Originally Posted by Xville

Tt is saying stupid things; Greene has been caught saying completely psycho conspiracy theories that if people believe are true, is a detriment to our country. Two completely separate things.

I would agree. The fact that the House is making something of a mascot out of MTG is ridiculous. Strip her of any committee assignments that might be pending, and move on. She is a Freshman member of the House who has done nothing but cause trouble for her party. She is also completely batshit crazy in a way that makes it kind of dangerous that she holds public office, but there is less that we can do about that right now.
02-03-2021, 03:34 PM
Xville

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Is this stuff really widespread enough that it's worth the amount of time we spend talking about it? In general I think male-to-female transgender athletes would probably have an unfair advantage. How often is that really an issue though?

The fact that millions of people who have probably never met, let alone spoken to, a transgender person are up in arms about it seems a little ridiculous to me.

I really don’t give a poo about what gender someone wants to be, I mean you do you. However, you shouldn’t be allowed to basically cheat...especially when (and I know this is drastic but still) keep someone from getting an athletic scholarship because the biological male beat a female in track or whatever it is. Again, I know that’s drastic and yeah it’s probably not widespread, but one instance of this happening is too many in my opinion. Everyone should be playing by the same set of rules.
02-03-2021, 03:53 PM
xubrew

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Is this stuff really widespread enough that it's worth the amount of time we spend talking about it? In general I think male-to-female transgender athletes would probably have an unfair advantage. How often is that really an issue though?

The fact that millions of people who have probably never met, let alone spoken to, a transgender person are up in arms about it seems a little ridiculous to me.

Agreed. This not an issue. It's been the rule for a while, and no one really ever had an issue with it before. It's just that they suddenly found something else to either be mad at or to champion, I guess.
02-03-2021, 04:03 PM
Xville

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Originally Posted by xubrew

Agreed. This not an issue. It's been the rule for a while, and no one really ever had an issue with it before. It's just that they suddenly found something else to either be mad at or to champion, I guess.

Just hypothetical question here...not sure if you have a daughter or not, but for the sake of argument, let's say you do.

She's high school varsity athlete, let's say track, and she's a damn good one...maybe even getting a few scholarship offers...a biological male who decides that they are now female, beats your daughter in the state meet. Is it still not an issue?

Maybe it's not an issue for you, but I do have a daughter and if that scenario above does happen to her (as remote of a chance as that may be) it would be a hell of an issue for me.
02-03-2021, 05:31 PM
boozehound

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Originally Posted by Xville

Just hypothetical question here...not sure if you have a daughter or not, but for the sake of argument, let's say you do.

She's high school varsity athlete, let's say track, and she's a damn good one...maybe even getting a few scholarship offers...a biological male who decides that they are now female, beats your daughter in the state meet. Is it still not an issue?

Maybe it's not an issue for you, but I do have a daughter and if that scenario above does happen to her (as remote of a chance as that may be) it would be a hell of an issue for me.

In that particular (highly unlikely) scenario I think I would still feel more empathy toward the kid who feels so uncomfortable in their own skin that they are going through the process of changing their gender than the kid who got unfairly beaten in a race. I can’t imagine what drives someone to change their gender, but I would imagine it is a very difficult process emotionally.
02-03-2021, 05:43 PM
XU_Lou

According to this article from 1.5 years ago: "Through her advocacy work, she has interacted extensively with transgender athletes and she estimates there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 to 200 transgender athletes currently competing in NCAA sports."

https://www.wired.com/story/the-glor...ing-up-sports/

How many are in High School?

How many will there be moving forward with Biden's new executive order: https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/bidens...eld-for-girls/
02-03-2021, 05:45 PM
Xville

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Originally Posted by boozehound

In that particular (highly unlikely) scenario I think I would still feel more empathy toward the kid who feels so uncomfortable in their own skin that they are going through the process of changing their gender than the kid who got unfairly beaten in a race. I can’t imagine what drives someone to change their gender, but I would imagine it is a very difficult process emotionally.

I’m not going to speak on that other person, because I don’t know whatever it is that makes someone feel like that or choose to make that kind of a decision, especially at high school age. It could be any number of things and I’m not going to speculate. However, I will say I’m going to give a lot more empathy toward my daughter than that kid. Don’t know if you have a daughter, but if you do, I could imagine you would feel the same way. Sorry, maybe I’m an ass for saying this, but if you choose to make that kind of a decision, then I believe you have to deal with certain consequences, one of them being not able to compete within the defined sex you identify with for a while. Period. It is bs and it becomes an uneven playing field.
02-03-2021, 06:05 PM
bjf123

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Originally Posted by xubrew

If she did, I missed it. I get thinking that AOC is crazy.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...luable-lesson/

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02-03-2021, 07:32 PM
STL_XUfan

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Originally Posted by Xville

I’m not going to speak on that other person, because I don’t know whatever it is that makes someone feel like that or choose to make that kind of a decision, especially at high school age. It could be any number of things and I’m not going to speculate. However, I will say I’m going to give a lot more empathy toward my daughter than that kid. Don’t know if you have a daughter, but if you do, I could imagine you would feel the same way. Sorry, maybe I’m an ass for saying this, but if you choose to make that kind of a decision, then I believe you have to deal with certain consequences, one of them being not able to compete within the defined sex you identify with for a while. Period. It is bs and it becomes an uneven playing field.

Honest question, do you have any friends or acquittances that are transgender? The few I have as friends and/or clients, generally are not looking to stand out, but instead to blend into the background. I just don’t see someone coming out as transgender and all of the baggage that comes with it in hopes of winning a high school track meet.

That being said, Congress spending anytime on high school or college athletics seems like a waste of their time.