Xavier at Charlotte Thread

[kyxu]

Didn't see this posted anywhere (feel free to delete this thread if it has been) but the Xavier-Charlotte game is supposed to be on ESPN2 on Thursday.

Just checked my digital cable guide and it appears to be true. Good news for us out-of-state people.

[XURunner85]

Thats good because today's TV week had the Bluejackets on Thursday on Fox and all the ESPN and 2 showed, TBA. So I am glad it is going to be on the duece so I can stay home and watch the game and be on live chat...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Didn't see this posted anywhere (feel free to delete this thread if it has been) but the Xavier-Charlotte game is supposed to be on ESPN2 on Thursday.

Just checked my digital cable guide and it appears to be true. Good news for us out-of-state people.

Thats weird I didnt know that either. I never saw it on their website until now. Also there used to be an espn logo next to our game against dayton that is no longer there.

[kyxu]

Thats weird I didnt know that either. I never saw it on their website until now. Also there used to be an espn logo next to our game against dayton that is no longer there.

I saw that too. ESPN broadcasts can be pretty fluid. I wouldn't be surprised if our game against UD in March got added to the ESPN slate -- especially if both are ranked at that time.

[STL_XUfan]

I saw that too. ESPN broadcasts can be pretty fluid. I wouldn't be surprised if our game against UD in March got added to the ESPN slate -- especially if both are ranked at that time.


Well today is your lucky day, it is already on the ESPN slate, and on ESPN1.

[Muskie]

Yes.. but will I see it in Indy?

[kyxu]

Yes.. but will I see it in Indy?

I was pleasantly surprised to see Xavier @ Charlotte already listed when I hit the "guide" button on my remote for digital cable. Don't know whether it's regional coverage, but that should help you out.

[kyxu]

Well today is your lucky day, it is already on the ESPN slate, and on ESPN1.

Where did you see that?

I saw Xavier-UD listed as only on ESPN360.

[STL_XUfan]

goxavier.com has the UD game listed as ESPN.

[Titanxman04]

Good news, no doubt. I was worried we might get passed over for the Blue Jackets again, which could some posters to go irate considering how they dislike hockey so much :D

Hopefully ESPN doesn't send their red-headed freak show to broadcast our game. God I hate him so much.

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/team/broadcasters/broadcaster_atl_sciambi1.jpg

[BiggieXU]

goxavier.com has our next 3 Thursday games on ESPN or ESPN2.

[thefortyniner]

Any members of Snuggie Nation coming tomorrow night?

I hear you guys have an alumni pre-game at B-Dub, how many are you guys bringing?

[powerofX]

Any members of Snuggie Nation coming tomorrow night?

I hear you guys have an alumni pre-game at B-Dub, how many are you guys bringing?

Probably about 50 at bw. probably 100-150 at the game if you count the alumni up top and the big wigs behind the bench.

Are you writing this from your camp out of 1?

[thefortyniner]

Probably about 50 at bw. probably 100-150 at the game if you count the alumni up top and the big wigs behind the bench.

Are you writing this from your camp out of 1?

No, but I will be having a campout log starting at about 10 p.m, after our women's game vs. Temple.

Please tell me you guys are wearing Snuggies. Those things are awesome.

[xuwin]

Those snuggies have an 0-1 record. I'm for burning them.

[Xpectations]

Those snuggies have an 0-1 record. I'm for burning them.

Actually the Snuggies have a winning record. Snuggies were worn at several home games prior to Duquesne.

[wvmuskie420]

im declaring a "green out":D

[bobbiemcgee]

Actually the Snuggies have a winning record. Snuggies were worn at several home games prior to Duquesne.

The Dry Cleaner couldn't savage any.

[gladdenguy]

Frustrating. How in the world do we get the ball stolen right around the basket numerous times.

[gladdenguy]

Big 3 by redford. good pass tutu. way to finish jamel. go to the line and lets take this thing.

[xuab]

Big 3 by redford. good pass tutu. way to finish jamel. go to the line and lets take this thing.

gladdenguy- there's a group in chat. You should join us.

[Kahns Krazy]

I can't get the chat to work anymore on my new laptop.

[gladdenguy]

These turnovers are ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!

[GuyFawkes38]

our guards, ugghhhhh.

[payday]

That palmball had no business going in before the buzzer. Barnett averages 0.4 ppg and 23% from 3 pt land.

[xudash]

ENERGY!

Even the announcer said it: everyone but McLean appears to be in 4th gear, not 5th gear.

HESITANCY!

Take the damn thing to the hoop with authority. These blocks on the way up are ridiculous.

To me, our guys appear to be attempting to execute within their game plan, but certainly look like they either don't want to make a mistake or are peaking out the corner of their eyes for falling anvils from the ceiling.

[AviatorX]

Would it kill us to score before the end of the half just once? Same thing always happens.

[kbxu991]

our point guard play is scary bad. its the worst i've seen since at X since i stepped on campus in 1986. The Finn/Wolf combo was equal but this is not good

[Kahns Krazy]

When we have the ball with 45 seconds on the clock at the end of the half, we need to work a quick shot and get at the very least a 2-1. We ran the clock down as far as we could, but it still left them 14 seconds to work a 3 point shot.

I freaking hate that.

[drudy23]

These turnovers are ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!

As usual......

[Xman95]

When we have the ball with 45 seconds on the clock at the end of the half, we need to work a quick shot and get at the very least a 2-1. We ran the clock down as far as we could, but it still left them 14 seconds to work a 3 point shot.

I freaking hate that.

We do that EVERY time. And, what makes it worse, we usually wind up using a timeout to set up a play and still wind up with garbage. Dante for 3? Really?

[kbxu991]

need bj in the second half

[DoubleD86]

I can not get the chatroom to work

I get this message:
Unable to connect : java.net.ConnectException : Connection timed out: connect

[GuyFawkes38]

Redford Needs More Shots

[Fred Garvin]

Boring game. I'd like to hear more about the NBA dunk contest.

[BlueGuy]

Come chat it up in the live chat. All the cool kids are doing it. http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/irc.php

[X Factor]

How are we 21-4?

[Fred Garvin]

The tentativeness is disturbing. Brown needs to be a man and take it to the rack.

[GuyFawkes38]

Come chat it up in the live chat. All the cool kids are doing it. http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/irc.php

So I guess this doesn't work with firefox

[BlueGuy]

I'm on Firefox v3.0.6, and using it.

[kbxu991]

How are we 21-4?

Sean Miller.

[bobbiemcgee]

Black guy on halftime report still with the EGGSavier...get a clue.

[Fred Garvin]

7:53 Charloote shooting free throws, up by 1.
I've gone with the same strategic seat change that won the Georgia game.
This should be anticlimactic, but we need the win.

[kyxu]

How are we 21-4?

I'm at a loss. I have no idea what's happened to this team.

A three by Dante, and we jog back while Harris beats the entire team for a layup and foul.

What's happened to our boys?

[pizza delivery]

Jackson...tough night from 3...

[pizza delivery]

I think we just need to stay behind these guys, they're in transition.

[GuyFawkes38]

Dante. not very good.

[Xman95]

need bj in the second half

I don't think many on this board would argue with bj anytime!

[Xman95]

Black guy on halftime report still with the EGGSavier...get a clue.

Not to mention he claimed we're a Final 4 team. Honestly, I don't see it.

[Kahns Krazy]

Charlotte's dance team is hot.

[Xman95]

Jackson...tough night from 3...

He's just not a very good shooter. He'll have the occasional game where he's on but, game in and game out, he's average at best, at BEST.

[CleXU]

every time we get the lead we do something stupid to lose it again

[X Factor]

We're not a smart team. So many bone-head turnovers.

[Xman95]

We got a break on that one.

[AviatorX]

Don't deserve this one at all. Probably won't win, but in the event we do, we really wouldn't have earned it.

[Fred Garvin]

Charlottes dance team is hot.

very form fitting.

[Kahns Krazy]

woo hoo! Homer calls on the road!

[Kahns Krazy]

ugh.
game over

[Xman95]

We're not a smart team. So many bone-head turnovers.

And right now they're a lazy team. Not hustling on defense, lazy passes, etc.

And, honestly, I'm getting sick of D.Brown getting a free pass. All the hype talks about how this kid might go pro...how? Hell, David West came back for his last year of eligibility and Brown isn't even close to West's level. Not close at all. At what point will we see him actually take over a game. We saw glimpses early on, but lately he's been nowhere close to dominant.

[CleXU]

that kiss blowing bastard is killing us

[X Factor]

Bye bye Top 25. This is pitiful.

[drudy23]

Not only can Dante not shoot...he can't even make open looks.

They are daring him to shoot wide open threes, and he still can't hit. If you're a D-I scoring guard, you have to knock down a high percentage of wide open looks.

Another thing...why do we always give the ball to CJ late in games on the road? HE CAN'T MAKE A FREE THROW!!!!

Why is Redford not in??????

[X Factor]

Hubert Davis has said two times tonight that Xavier is a good free throw shooting team. Way to be prepared.

[FullCourtPress]

What happened to the "toughness" X had earlier in the season that helped them win close games against teams far better than Charlotte?

[xudrew24]

redford time

[kbxu991]

when we have mclean, cj and dante on the floor how the F are we suposed to score?

[drudy23]

This one's not over yet...expect BJ to drain a 3 coming out of the timeout.

[drudy23]

That hurt.

[Kahns Krazy]

what a stupid shot. lucky bastards

[X Factor]

We're limping down the stretch of the season. That's not good.

[xudrew24]

mclean left him open.. hes hot.. another reason why mclean shouldnt have been in late in this game.

[Xman95]

redford time

Maybe Sean will put him in for another :30 and pull him. I mean, we don't need offense.

[Xman95]

mclean left him open.. hes hot.. another reason why mclean shouldnt have been in late in this game.

It shouldn't even f'ing come down to this. This team has its collective head so far up its ass it it just scratched a cornea on its own rib cage.

[xudrew24]

then we take 20 seconds to shoot. are you kidding?

[X Factor]

That's great. Use 20 seconds to get a shot.

[drudy23]

Jackson and Tutu need some additional pine time.

More minutes for Redford.

[kbxu991]

dante is ahorrid offensive player

[CleXU]

absolutely horrible

[drudy23]

Holloway cannot remain our point guard...cannot happen.

[Xman95]

And, by the way, where are all the people that were bitching because I was too harsh after the R.I. win? We played poorly because R.I. is a tough team and we were on the road. OK. Duq beat us and it was because we were at a tough arena and everyone is going to give us their best shot. Dayton...a rival and a tough place to play. We made fun of UD for losing at Charlotte, but they just took us out.

What's the excuse this time? Because I know it has nothing to do with the things I have complained about this year. Turnovers will never come back to haunt us. Poor offensive presence can't be it. Dumb shots won't be a factor. Lack of hustle? Never. I know, it's tough to play teams on the road if their team colors include green and they have numbers in their nickname.

And for all those thinking we'll wax UD on March 5th, think again. They're better than us.

[kbxu991]

our pgs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[X Factor]

We're not good. We haven't gotten better this year. The same problems we've had from day one are still present.

What the eff is going on?

[D-West & PO-Z]

our pgs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would trade Holloway for Kawaim Mitchell the freshman PG from SLU in half a second without a doubt. Holloway will develop I'm sure but he is bad right now.

[GuyFawkes38]

dante is ahorrid offensive player

yep. that is truth

[drudy23]

And, by the way, where are all the people that were bitching because I was too harsh after the R.I. win? We played poorly because R.I. is a tough team and we were on the road. OK. Duq beat us and it was because we were at a tough arena and everyone is going to give us their best shot. Dayton...a rival and a tough place to play. We made fun of UD for losing at Charlotte, but they just took us out.

What's the excuse this time? Because I know it has nothing to do with the things I have complained about this year. Turnovers will never come back to haunt us. Poor offensive presence can't be it. Dumb shots won't be a factor. Lack of hustle? Never. I know, it's tough to play teams on the road if their team colors include green and they have numbers in their nickname.

And for all those thinking we'll wax UD on March 5th, think again. They're better than us.

Who disagreed with you?

It's been pretty obvious that this team is turnover prone, forces shots, can't hit free throws, and doesn't play defense very well.

You're no prophet.

[An X Fan]

Dante and Tutu are not good. Wish it wasn't so.

Derrick was terrible tonight as well.

[cheese]

dante is ahorrid offensive player

I don't think you need the qualifier there.

Every one-bid league in the country is licking their chops watching this circus act.

[xubball93]

Sonavabitch! What happened to this team's killer instinct? Now the ass-clowns up 75 have sole possession of first place in the A10. Goddamn, I hope X is saving it up for March.

[X Factor]

Seriously, why not play Redford 20-25 minutes a night from here on out. He absolutely can not do any worse than Holloway and Jackson. At least he can knock down shots.

Holloway and Jackson have had long enough to show something and they haven't.

[kbxu991]

this teams struggles are about the point gurd play. nothing more nothing less. all other reasons are bullshit. last 30 seconds when the other team is barely playingd Dante's pass is deflected and Holloway gets swatted for the 19th time in the last 20 times hes gone to the basket AFTER HE FELL DOWN!!!!!!!!!! Play Redford. I GUARANTEE he cant be worse. I love Xavier-- but these kids are not D-1 PGS!

[Fred Garvin]

redford time

Redford time= Anderson shooting over him for a three.

[chico]

First Kate Winselt says she won't do nude scenes anymore and now this. What a crappy day.

[Frank D.]

We're just not a very good team right now. One, even two, bad games could be an aberration, but we haven't played consistently well in a long time.

[pizza delivery]

Charlotte 9 steals

[kyxu]

We're just not a very good team right now. One, even two, bad games could be an aberration, but we haven't played consistently well in a long time.

This team has not been the same since Baton Rouge.

[Espe]

Charlotte 9 steals

More like 9 horrible passes.

[Kahns Krazy]

We're limping down the stretch of the season. That's not good.

I'm going to reserve judgement until the end of the season. Miller has a track record of getting our teams together at just the right time. Now seems like the time, but i'm not the coach.

[kbxu991]

The other thing about our backcourt is its very unathletic. Crawford anfd Lyons cant get here fast enough!

[Frank D.]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the end of the season. Miller has a track record of getting our teams together at just the right time. Now seems like the time, but i'm not the coach.

I agree with this. We are not playing well now, but that doesn't mean we won't in a week or two. Am I sure of this? Of course not, but I think Miller has earned the benefit of the doubt.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm going to reserve judgement until the end of the season. Miller has a track record of getting our teams together at just the right time. Now seems like the time, but i'm not the coach.

I wish I shared such optimism. But Holloway and Jackson are getting worse. If only the NCAA tourney started in November.

[Xman95]

Redford time= Anderson shooting over him for a three.

Hey, Fred, did you notice how many points Andersen had tonight? They didn't all come on Redford.

Should we just tell Brad to move on? Is he just a carnival sideshow? COME SEE OPIE TAYLOR SHOOT FROM 50-FEET!! I'm tired of people bringing up Redford's defensive liabilities. I watched Dante and TuTu get beat repeatedly. I've seen Brown not get out on shooters over and over and over. I saw BJ get a couple threes buried in his face. Three of the last four offenses we have faced have done pretty well against us, and I don't think five Brad Redfords were on the floor for a total of 200 minutes.

That being said, we sure do struggle to put it in the hoop. Who's the best shooter on the team?

[kbxu991]

Again---this isn't about Miller or Effort or anything else. Point Guard, Point Guard, POINTFINGUARD!!!!!!!!!!

[xavierdude]

How the heck does jamel only get 13 minutes? How does brad only get one shot off? Screw it....those two were the ones just waiting to be the heroes and they never got the chance. I'm pissed. I dont know if I'm to be pissed at the whole team, some of the team, the coaching, or what. But I'm pissed that those two weren't the players of the game. They sure could have been. !@#%#@

[Stonebreaker]

Charlotte is getting better. They were awful when I saw them earlier this year.

[kbxu991]

Jamel played well, I agree. But if u want him on the floor with CJ and dante we look like we shooot with hockey gloves on. Actually maybe we should try it.

[AviatorX]

Charlotte is getting better. They were awful when I saw them earlier this year.

Or we're getting much worse...

[GuyFawkes38]

Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhh. It's awful to see our best 3 point shooter only get 1 shot off and an awful shooter like Jackson throw up six 3's.

Something isn't right there.

[Xman95]

I wish I shared such optimism. But Holloway and Jackson are getting worse. If only the NCAA tourney started in November.

I don't normally agree with GF, but he's correct. Holloway and Jackson are getting worse. Dante had a nice game against Fordham, but who couldn't? I'm still baffled that Miller hasn't at least tried Redford. I know the arguments, but Jackson is obviously not the answer. Holloway...definitely not. Where is the harm in trying Redford? If it doesn't work, guess what - we still have no point guard.

I know Miller has to also consider the future when trying to bring along guys like Holloway, but is it fair to do so when it's going to cost your seniors a chance of moving deep into the tournament? Because an early exit is what this team appears headed for if things don't change.

[Fred Garvin]

And, by the way, where are all the people that were bitching because I was too harsh after the R.I. win? We played poorly because R.I. is a tough team and we were on the road. OK. Duq beat us and it was because we were at a tough arena and everyone is going to give us their best shot. Dayton...a rival and a tough place to play. We made fun of UD for losing at Charlotte, but they just took us out.

What's the excuse this time? Because I know it has nothing to do with the things I have complained about this year. Turnovers will never come back to haunt us. Poor offensive presence can't be it. Dumb shots won't be a factor. Lack of hustle? Never. I know, it's tough to play teams on the road if their team colors include green and they have numbers in their nickname.

And for all those thinking we'll wax UD on March 5th, think again. They're better than us.


Gary Jr, give it a rest. Who argued that turnovers wouldn't come back to haunt us?

[Xman95]

Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhh. It's awful to see our best 3 point shooter only get 1 shot off and an awful shooter like Jackson throw up six 3's.

Something isn't right there.

Nobody is afraid of Dante so they'll let him shoot. Hell, if I were a defender I would let him hoist that jacked-up looking shot all day.

[X Factor]

I'm definitely not blaming Miller. It is amazing we're 21-5 with probably the worst point guard play in the country. Miller has to be frustrated because he can only coach those two so much. At some point, Jackson and Holloway are just going to have to play A LOT better or we'll be talking about next year a lot sooner than we want.

I would play Redford 20-25 minutes a night and use BJ, Redford, Brown and CJ to bring the ball up the court. It's not like our pg's are actually getting us into and executing the half-court offense. Redford needs to be on the court.

[Xman95]

Gary Jr, give it a rest. Who argued that turnovers wouldn't come back to haunt us?

I got so much crap for complaining about the performance after the R.I. game. I was wrong and didn't realize how good R.I. was. We were at their place. Blah, blah, blah. Turns out, we've seen the same garbage from this team in most of the games since then. We just got lucky that we were usually playing teams that weren't too good. LSU was a nice win mixed in, but we haven't looked good a long while, despite the wins.

Sorry I can't drink this team into looking good right now.

[xavbball]

Of course not, but I think Miller has earned the benefit of the doubt. Sorry to bust your bubble but enough of the Miller bullshit. We all know he is a GREAT coach but come on, stop thinking he is the solution to all our problems. Face reality, we have a terrible back court. We have a PG who thinks he is the shit and drives to the basket every ****ing time he gets the ball and a SG who cant even handle the ball. Sorry but Sean cant magically fix everything and give us the best back court in the country.


Hats off to McLean tonight, he was the only one who looked like he gave a shit.

[Xman95]

I would play Redford 20-25 minutes a night and use BJ, Redford, Brown and CJ to bring the ball up the court. It's not like our pg's are actually getting us into and executing the half-court offense. Redford needs to be on the court.

Nope, not allowed to do that. He's a 2-guard. That's the standard answer. Plus, if it doesn't work, then what? We'll have no point guard. But, if we already don't... Well... But, Holloway and Jackson... Hell, trying Redford makes too much sense so it'll never happen.

[Fred Garvin]

I got so much crap for complaining about the performance after the R.I. game. I was wrong and didn't realize how good R.I. was. We were at their place. Blah, blah, blah. Turns out, we've seen the same garbage from this team in most of the games since then. We just got lucky that we were usually playing teams that weren't too good. LSU was a nice win mixed in, but we haven't looked good a long while, despite the wins.

Sorry I can't drink this team into looking good right now.

Go on record now or shut the hell up: will we beat UD? UD, the team that's "much better than us."

[Fred Garvin]

How the heck does jamel only get 13 minutes? How does brad only get one shot off? Screw it....those two were the ones just waiting to be the heroes and they never got the chance. I'm pissed. I dont know if I'm to be pissed at the whole team, some of the team, the coaching, or what. But I'm pissed that those two weren't the players of the game. They sure could have been. !@#%#@

One shot off? Doesn't sound like he gets much seperation against better squads. And here 95 had me embarassed for stereotyping him as "Opie."

[kbxu991]

I m shocked how bad Terrell is playing. I was super-excited about his play. I hope lyons is good! Drew fell into our lap. Finn and wolf were our prior points. I want/need a ball on a string point guard.

[GuyFawkes38]

Nope, not allowed to do that. He's a 2-guard. That's the standard answer. Plus, if it doesn't work, then what? We'll have no point guard. But, if we already don't... Well... But, Holloway and Jackson... Hell, trying Redford makes too much sense so it'll never happen.

Ha, this mirrors my thought process.

It's understandable if Miller has qualms at putting Redford at the PG. BUT HE SHOULD GET MORE THAN ONE SHOT.

[B-RAD FAN!]

Xu is not laying as a team. There are too many turnovers and very few assists. It seems like the guys are playing alley ball. There were only 7 assists the whole game!

[X Factor]

Anyone catch Sean on the postgame? Just wondering what his thoughts were.

[Xman95]

One shot off? Doesn't sound like he gets much seperation against better squads. And here 95 had me embarassed for stereotyping him as "Opie."

You're right, Fred. Call Sean and tell him Redford can't play any defense and isn't able to do anything on offense unless his defender falls down.

[utahmuskie]

This game is all on Miller and the staff. "Pack the line" is now DEAD, why are we faceguarding 6 feet past the 3 point line?? Opposing teams run the high pick and roll & the Red Sea parts for a layup, a foul, or a putback..

I don't mind our offense but the continued lack of defensive adjustments is mind blowing... Dino & Wake came to X to study our "Pack the Line D"..Are you kidding? Anyone care to explain what is going on? If we played St. Joe's tonight we lose by 15..

[vee4xu]

Who woke you up?

[XU 87]

Let's put this "play Redford at point" to rest. Redford is not a point guard. Since he's not a point guard it's sort of stupid to play him at point.

As for the argument of " How much worse can it get to play Redford at point?", then why don't why play Derrick, or CJ , or maybe Love, at point? After all, it can't get any worse.

Holloway is a point. And he is struggling. Dante is not a point but plays point. And he is struggling. But you have to play the hand you're dealt.

[Xman95]

Go on record now or shut the hell up: will we beat UD? UD, the team that's "much better than us."

I didn't realize you were the almighty of the board that mandated what people should do. But, I'll play along. But, first, you should be sure that if you're going to quote someone that you actually put what they said inside the quotation marks. It works better that way. So, here's what I said:

They're better than us.

I didn't say much better than us. They're not Duke. But right now they're better than us. They just drilled us at their place, played with far more energy, seemed to have an idea on offense, etc. So, if X doesn't figure something out soon, I don't think we'll beat UD on the 5th. It's possible Miller figures something out between now and then. Maybe he shuffles the line-up and finds something that works at the point. But, as it stands right now, I don't think we'll beat Dayton.

[xu drew]

I don't mind our offense

i do mind our offense right now. it's not good at all.

[GuyFawkes38]

Let's put this "play Redford at point" to rest. Redford is not a point guard. Since he's not a point guard it's sort of stupid to play him at point.

As for the argument of " How much worse can it get t play Redford at point?", then why don't why play Derrick, or CJ , or maybe Love, at point? After all, it can't get any worse.

Holloway is a point. And he is struggling. Dante is not a point but plays point. And he is struggling. But you have to play the hand you're dealt.

This is exactly the type of argument which pisses me off.

Of course Redford isn't a point guard. But he deserves more than 1 shot a game.

[XU 87]

Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhh. It's awful to see our best 3 point shooter only get 1 shot off and an awful shooter like Jackson throw up six 3's.

Something isn't right there.

Jackson can't throw the ball in the ocean right now so no one is guarding him on the perimeter. Redford gets guarded on the perimeter and simply didn't have any looks today, other than the one shot.

[kbxu991]

At least when Brad shoots it feels like its going in. Did you see that Dante brick when no one was within 10 feet of him and he still didnt want to take it? Tough kid but I'd let him shoot all damn day! And whenHolloway drives to the hoop it afreakin block party! He hasnt finished a drive to the hoop in weeks.

[Xman95]

Let's put this "play Redford at point" to rest. Redford is not a point guard. Since he's not a point guard it's sort of stupid to play him at point.

As for the argument of " How much worse can it get t play Redford at point?", then why don't why play Derrick, or CJ , or maybe Love, at point? After all, it can't get any worse.

Holloway is a point. And he is struggling. Dante is not a point but plays point. And he is struggling. But you have to play the hand you're dealt.

Wait, Redford isn't a point guard so it's sort of stupid to play him at the point.

Dante is not a point but plays point. Ummm.... Does that mean Miller's decision to play Dante at the point is sort of stupid?

I agree with the idea that you play the hand you're dealt. That's why I think trying Redford is worth a shot. Ideally you don't want him there. But this isn't an ideal situation. Where's the harm in trying something different?

Oh, by the way, we have actually used BJ at the point and CJ has been the guy to bring the ball up in some games when it was too much to ask of Dante. So those guys have actually seen time there. As for Brown or Love...they don't handle the ball as well as Redford so I think I would give him the shot there first!

[XU 87]

This is exactly the type of argument which pisses me off.

Of course Redford isn't a point guard. But he deserves more than 1 shot a game.

What pisses you off? That Redford isn't a point guard? And how many shots does he "deserve"?

When he has looks, he shoots the ball. Today he didn't have looks. If you want to argue that X should have run some plays for him and ran him off some screens, that's a different story. But since we weren't in the locker room or the on the bench, neither of us is sure whether or not X ran plays for him today.

[GuyFawkes38]

What pisses you off? That Redford isn't a point guard? And how many shots does he "deserve"?

When he has looks, he shoots the ball. Today he didn't have looks. If you want to argue that X should have run some plays for him and ran him off some screens, that's a different story. But since we weren't in the locker room or the on the bench, neither of us is sure whether or not X ran plays for him today.

Jackson and Holloway need to include Redford more in the offensive scheme.

It doesn't make sense to have a team's best shooter only have 1 shot.

[Xman95]

What pisses you off? That Redford isn't a point guard? And how many shots does he "deserve"?

When he has looks, he shoots the ball. Today he didn't have looks. If you want to argue that X should have run some plays for him and ran him off some screens, that's a different story. But since we weren't in the locker room or the on the bench, neither of us is sure whether or not X ran plays for him today.

I think we can be sure of this: if plays were called, they weren't executed.

[vee4xu]

Watching Redford handle the ball when he's in the game, I don't think he'd do well at the point. He is a catch-and-shoot guard, not a dribble-penetrate-and-dish guard. He will be better when Xavier's point guard actually does penetrate and dish low for an easy shot. That will open up the perimeter. As it is, teams are packing it low and leaving the perimeter open. Oh, except for one thing, when Redford is in the game, he gets shadowed to keep him from getting open. Teams can do that when they know the defense they're playing is taking away the low post and the PG can't shoot.

[XU 87]

They're better than us.

But right now they're better than us.

But, as it stands right now, I don't think we'll beat Dayton.

I just wanted to quote this in case you try to delete your post after we beat UD on the 5th.

[XU 87]

Jackson and Holloway need to include Redford more in the offensive scheme.

It doesn't make sense to have a team's best shooter only have 1 shot.

That's very simplistic. The real issue is why did he have only one shot? When I was watching, he didn't have looks. On the other hand, It didn't appear that they ran any plays for him. But I don't really know since I wasn't in the huddle.

But Redford has been up and down all season. He's a freshman.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Can Redford shoot on the move? I can't remember seeing him do it all year. Even coming off a screen for a catch and shoot he sets up first, which really neutralizes his quick release. That could be one reason why he's not getting many looks in some games. I know I've been critical of his game at times, but he's really easy to guard if a defender is disciplined and keeps an eye out for screens. If he's open the shot is cash...but the defender has to make a mistake or run into a great screen to open him up.

[XU 87]

Wait, Redford isn't a point guard so it's sort of stupid to play him at the point.

Dante is not a point but plays point. Ummm.... Does that mean Miller's decision to play Dante at the point is sort of stupid?




Redford is an effective 2 guard. If you play him at point, where he is not effective, you've just taken away his main strength, which is catching and shooting.

Redford does not penetrate. He is not very quick. He does not beat his man off the dribble. But he is an exceptional shooter. So tell me again. Why play him at point?

[kbxu991]

All of Brads big games have bben at Cintas. Hes comfortable there---not sure about his shooting on the road. That being said---if i were coach hed be playing 25 minutes at point. I agree-he cant be less effective than what we are getting now

[GuyFawkes38]

Redford is an effective 2 guard. If you play him at point, where he is not effective, you've just taken away his main strength, which is catching and shooting.

Redford does not penetrate. He is not very quick. He does not beat his man off the dribble. But he is an exceptional shooter. So tell me again. Why play him at point?

Perhaps Redford shouldn't be "the point guard". But he needs to get more shots off.

Simply put, he's our best shooter. Therefore, our offense should give him more shots.

[Xman95]

Charlotte is getting better. They were awful when I saw them earlier this year.

Isn't this what we heard, even from Miller, about UMass after they almost beat us at our place? Yet they were 2-5 leading into our game with them and they're 2-2 since our game and one of those wins came against Fordham.

Charlotte was 4-9 in its last 13 and 3-4 in its last seven, with two of those wins coming against GW and Winthrop. That doesn't seem like a great resume.

But, assume I'm just not seeing it. Teams like UMass, Charlotte, etc. really are getting better. So why does X seem to be getting worse? We knew PG was a problem at the beginning of the season. I would have hoped Holloway would have been at least adequate by now. Yet he's bad. I know people will probably get upset about calling a player bad, but that's what he is right now. I still like his potential and think he has a future, but he's not helping us at all right now. And Dante still doesn't seem to have a clue. Forget about the fact that he doesn't have PG skills, he just doesn't seem to be a more intelligent player now than at the beginning of the year.

Obviously I'm frustrated and I'm sure others are too. I can only imagine what's going through Sean's mind. It seems every other part is there for a deep tourney run, but PG is a vacant lot.

Think the Stimulus Package has anything in there with a PG attached??

[XU 87]

Perhaps Redford shouldn't be "the point guard". But he needs to get more shots off.

Simply put, he's our best shooter. Therefore, our offense should give him more shots.

I don't disagree with that. Redford is one of the best shooters I've ever seen. He is a game changer- when he's on. But if all you mainly do is shoot threes, you're going to have some up and down nights.

[X Factor]

Can Redford shoot on the move? I can't remember seeing him do it all year. Even coming off a screen for a catch and shoot he sets up first, which really neutralizes his quick release. That could be one reason why he's not getting many looks in some games. I know I've been critical of his game at times, but he's really easy to guard if a defender is disciplined and keeps an eye out for screens. If he's open the shot is cash...but the defender has to make a mistake or run into a great screen to open him up.

How's Fabrizius doing?

It would help if our pg's were able to see the court and find guys when they're open. I gaurantee you if Stan and Drew were playing point, Redford would be getting a lot more shots.

Redford can shoot off the dribble, but he defers to CJ, BJ, Derrick, etc. most of the time when he's in the game.

[GoMuskies]

Isn't this what we heard, even from Miller, about UMass after they almost beat us at our place? Yet they were 2-5 leading into our game with them and they're 2-2 since our game and one of those wins came against Fordham.

Charlotte was 4-9 in its last 13 and 3-4 in its last seven, with two of those wins coming against GW and Winthrop. That doesn't seem like a great resume.

But, assume I'm just not seeing it. Teams like UMass, Charlotte, etc. really are getting better. So why does X seem to be getting worse? We knew PG was a problem at the beginning of the season. I would have hoped Holloway would have been at least adequate by now. Yet he's bad. I know people will probably get upset about calling a player bad, but that's what he is right now. I still like his potential and think he has a future, but he's not helping us at all right now. And Dante still doesn't seem to have a clue. Forget about the fact that he doesn't have PG skills, he just doesn't seem to be a more intelligent player now than at the beginning of the year.

Obviously I'm frustrated and I'm sure others are too. I can only imagine what's going through Sean's mind. It seems every other part is there for a deep tourney run, but PG is a vacant lot.

Think the Stimulus Package has anything in there with a PG attached??

Charlotte's getting better, but they're still not good. Xavier has just been awful of late.

[D-West & PO-Z]

How's Fabrizius doing?

It would help if our pg's were able to see the court and find guys when they're open. I gaurantee you if Stan and Drew were playing point, Redford would be getting a lot more shots.

Redford can shoot off the dribble, but he defers to CJ, BJ, Derrick, etc. most of the time when he's in the game.

I actually talked to one of the former guards tonight said he is watching overseas on espn360 and he knows coach has been frustrated with the guard play.

[xavbball]

Jackson and Holloway need to include Redford more in the offensive scheme.

It doesn't make sense to have a team's best shooter only have 1 shot.

Wasn't Redford open during the fast break play where Dante threw it to Brown and was called for the charge? I agree with you Guy, the best shooter on the team only had one shot attempt? WTF? That kid could shoot from half court and still make it 50% of the time.

[GuyFawkes38]

I don't disagree with that. Redford is one of the best shooters I've ever seen. He is a game changer- when he's on. But if all you mainly do is shoot threes, you're going to have some up and down nights.

Redford shoots 3's much, much better than Holloway and Jackson. I know that Holloway and Jackson do a lot of stuff better than Redford, but we need that threat from our guards.

Of course, I don't think that Redford would be some sort of magic bullet. But we absolutely need a guard out there with the ability to nail 3's.

[Xman95]

Charlotte's getting better, but they're still not good. Xavier has just been awful of late.

I just read the AP game story and I think this says a whole lot about our team right now: D.Brown wasn't mentioned one time. Not once. Of course, when you're a 6'8" PF finishing with 9 pts. and 3 boards, why would you be talked about? Even when bringing up our star player they mentioned Raymond. Brown has been invisible in too many games. He might wind up with decent numbers in a game, but it's not often he owns the game.

One other telling stat about Brown's recent string: in the last three games, he has attempted a total of 7 three-pointers. Over the same three games, he has only 3 free throw attempts.

[vee4xu]

I just wanted to quote this in case you try to delete your post after we beat UD on the 5th.

Well done 87. I am sitting here trying to figure out how ud who was beaten by 13 at Charlotte is better than X. But, hey I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well done 87. I am sitting here trying to figure out how ud who was beaten by 13 at Charlotte is better than X. But, hey I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

Because they beat us?

(I dont think they are really better, but it wouldnt be a hard argument to make)

[GuyFawkes38]

Wasn't Redford open during the fast break play where Dante threw it to Brown and was called for the charge? I agree with you Guy, the best shooter on the team only had one shot attempt? WTF? That kid could shoot from half court and still make it 50% of the time.

I completely agree.

[vee4xu]

The jury is still out. Sure ud beat X on their home court, but have yet to play in Cincy. Until that game is played, the answer is not definitive in my feeble mind.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The jury is still out. Sure ud beat X on their home court, but have yet to play in Cincy. Until that game is played, the answer is not definitive in my feeble mind.

me either. just giving u crap vee. probably not a good night to do that for any of us.

On another note anyone wanna write the home exercise program I have to turn in for me tomorrow? Please?

[pinky]

I actually talked to one of the former guards tonight said he is watching overseas on espn360 and he knows coach has been frustrated with the guard play.
Who the hell recruited the guards, I am tired of hearing about it from Coach... If that is all we got he better figure it out RIGHT NOW or learn how to recruit better PG's.

[Xman95]

I just wanted to quote this in case you try to delete your post after we beat UD on the 5th.

Guess what, chief, if we win on the 5th, I'll tell you without hesitation that I said on Feb. 19th that we would lose as things stood on the 19th. Plus I have better things to do than worry about going back and deleting posts to try and hide something I said a few weeks earlier. Maybe that's something you or others would do. I don't know.

Funny thing is, you guys really seem worked up to get somebody else's prediction and oh, look how clever I am by quoting so I can hold you to it. Yet guys like Fred haven't really stepped up and said I was wrong.

Do you think, as Xavier is currently playing, we'll win on the 5th? If we turn things around, it's possible. If we don't improve, I hope UD jumps on 75 north.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who the hell recruited the guards, I am tired of hearing about it from Coach... If that is all we got he better figure it out RIGHT NOW or learn how to recruit btter PG's.

Well one of the guards was ineligible unexpectedly so that has hurt s for sure. Another who would have been a senior transfered out which also through the balance throughout the classes off which also hurt.

[Xman95]

Because they beat us?

(I dont think they are really better, but it wouldnt be a hard argument to make)

God forbid someone make that leap.

Look, I think we have more talent. I think we have a better coach. I think we should be the better team. But, unfortunately, I don't think we are right now. X has looked like shit in three of its last four games. It's not like we're getting beat at the buzzer in all of these by tournament teams. Duquesne and Charlotte! If it was just one mixed in, I wouldn't be too concerned. But when they're within the same four game stretch, along with a loss to Dayton, that means there are problems. Hey, if things were heading in the right direction, Miller wouldn't be so pissed off right now.

[pinky]

WTF is going on ? How about this one. We get a time out right before the half and we draw up a play and what we get is Dante bricking another 3 ball. Is that the best you can draw up after a timeout for this team. Sean you should be ashamed of yourself....

When was the last time we had a play before the half work ?? Anybody ??

[AviatorX]

WTF is going on ? How about this one. We get a time out right before the half and we draw up a play and what we get is Dante bricking another 3 ball. Is that the best you can draw up after a timeout for this team. Sean you should be ashamed of yourself....

When was the last time we had a play before the half work ?? Anybody ??

I mentioned this on the game thread, and I'd have to say never. Even last year when we had outstanding guardplay, it seemed we would always wait a few seconds too long and end up with a poor shot. To be fair though, right before the half of the Fordham game Miller used a TO and drew up a play that got Brown a dunk, but still, it is never there most of the time.

[Statman]

I was listening to the radio, and I must agree with Joe Sunderman that with the timeout, the message in the huddle should have been to try and strike quickly and get a two-for-one.

To remind everyone, up 1 with 46 seconds, Xavier called a 30 second timeout. If you can quickly shoot in under 10 seconds, or better yet, 6 seconds, even if you don't get the rebound, you should get the ball back again. Instead, they run a play for a three pointer with 19 seconds left, miss, and Charlotte hits the 3 pointer with 2 seconds left to take the two point lead.

[XU 87]

They're better than us.

I didn't say much better than us. They're not Duke. But right now they're better than us. They just drilled us at their place, played with far more energy, seemed to have an idea on offense, etc. So, if X doesn't figure something out soon, I don't think we'll beat UD on the 5th. It's possible Miller figures something out between now and then. Maybe he shuffles the line-up and finds something that works at the point. But, as it stands right now, I don't think we'll beat Dayton.

As promised, I am bringing this post back up.

I think the above post was written after the Charlotte game. One thing I've come to learn is that just because X loses a game they should win, it doesn't mean the team is "underperforming" or is falling apart. The same thing goes for when a player has a bad game. Sometimes the team or the player has a bad game. Sometimes the team or the player has a bad two or three games. But things can and do turn around, as we've seen with this Xavier team.

So keep the faith.