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wkrq59
04-21-2008, 02:13 AM
The latest installment from one of Xavierhoops.com's feature writers:

One and Definitely Under-done
by wkrq59

Since the NCAA Final Four ended with Kansas' championship, a whole flock of collegiate one-and-dones joined Oden and the Departures—No, it's not a rock band or vocal group, but they will soon be making more money than their contemporaries and former classmates.

Being a faithful poster on Musketeer Madness, my friend and Xavier's, Muskieman, asked his breathern what one-and-dones do to a collegiate program and are they a good or bad?

Are O.J.Mayo, Bill Walker, Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley and Kevin Love hurting college basketball?
I shout a loud YES ! I truly believe one-and-done will subvert the true purpose of a university, to educate.
Student athletes should be students first and athletes second. If the practice is allowed to continue thanks to a sorry NBA rule which requires a player to be age 19 before he can be eligible for the league's draft, it will eventually turn collegiate basketball programs at all but the Ivy League level or at schools which offer no athletic grants-in-aid, into even greater professional basketball farm clubs than they already are.

Eventually, even the universities which pride themselves as being academic institutions first and athletic competitors second if not much further down the chain, the Dukes, North Carolinas, Virginias, Xaviers and others of their ilk, will find themselves struggling to compete.

The NBA should either follow the lead of the NFL and require a player to be three years removed from his high school graduation class or drop the damn age 19 rule all together.

Right now the NBA, its Players' Association and the NCAA basketball programs are on a collision voyage of disaster. Each of those entities knows there is an iceberg out there but none of them seems able to steer the ship in the right direction.

Here's what rent-a-players can do to a program. Jim Boeheim's Syracuse team won an NCAA championship with Carmelo Anthony and hasn't had a sniff of the Final Four since. Thad Matta's Ohio State Buckeyes got—thanks to John Cahill—to the championship game two years ago and had to settle for the NIT title this season. Memphis without the artistry of Derrick Rose and upper-classmate Chris-Douglas Roberts will be in for some rough times.

Contrast them with David West, who graduated from Xavier with two degrees and this year was an NBA All-Star and he and the Hornets are in the playoffs for the first time in years. Analyze this: Xavier with Justin Doellman, Justin Cage and Will Caudlle took Greg Oden's Ohio State team to the wall as seniors. Stanley Burrell, Josh Duncan and Drew Lavender led a Xavier team to the Elite 8 and along the regular-season way beat Indiana and Kansas State, Virginia, Auburn and others. Each will receive his degree next month.

Those six Xavier graduates enjoyed their college basketball careers and wherever they may play pro ball, or if they never play that game, will be armed with the means for success in the business or professional world. In other words, they could be pros in something besides sports as the NCAA commercial goes.

During his recruiting, Massillon Perry High School basketball standout and Xavier freshman-to-be Kenny Frease, visited the campuses of Xavier University and University of Michigan. After he returned from those visits, he spoke of the discussions he had with coaches, teachers, students and others. He said the major topics of discussion between himself and those individuals he met during the visits were academics and academic programs. He termed the visits and discussions “outstanding.”

Incidentally, Kenny Frease, a 7-foot 245-pound center averaged 20-plus points and 10-plus rebounds a game.
He was also an academic All-Ohio, academic gold certificate recipient this year, in addition to being a first team All-Ohio, first team and Co-Player of the Year N.E. Inland, Massillon Independent Player of the Year, first team All County, first team and Player of the Year Federal League, first team and Player of the Year District IV, finalist Gatorade Player of the Year, North South Ohio All Star Game player, Ohio Kentucky All Star Game player, and three-times All-Ohio and led his team to a state runner-up.
Many of the one-and-dones may have similar academic credentials in their vita and certainly carry like athletic achievements behind their names.

But, statistics have proved that players who come to the NBA with a degree after graduation have longer professional careers in the league and for the most part make more money. (See Tyrone Hill, Derek Strong, James Posey, Brian Grant, Aaron Williams and David West for proof).
The NBA's new age rule is only a couple of years old, so it's too soon to tell what harm it has wrought. But if you listen to Bob Knight, you'll hear a pretty accurate description of what the rule is doing to college basketball. Knight points out that a one-and-done player need only pass a few basket-weaving type classes
to stay eligible for the first semester or two quarters, then forget about classes, be eligible to play basketball the rest of the season and move to the pros.

What does that do to a program? For one thing, it robs the school that signs them of senior leadership or, hell, junior or sophomore leadership. But far worse, it subordinates the real purpose of a university—to educate and graduate. In essence it will tends to turn many if not all of the schools who embrace it into pro farm clubs.

But here's the rub. For every Kobie Bryant who went to the NBA straight from high school, there is a youngster—not so young any more—his age who failed to make the “league” and is wandering the streets of some town without any marketable skills or asking a customer, “You want fries with that?” For every Kevin Durant or Greg Oden there is a marginally talented player who listened to an agent, was drafted in the second round or not at all, and who has given up a $30,000-$40,000 a year educational opportunity for the next three years and is asking someone, “Can I super-size that?”

Oh, and another pitfall of the one-and-done is it tends to develop a “ME FIRST “ attitude and “the hell with my teammates” mentality. Contrast that to the achievements of the Xavier team this past season.

Now let's be realistic. If you are a coach of a Big 6 Conference college team and you have a chance to sign one or, if you're really fortunate, two or three one-and-done players with their enormous talents, what would you do?

You are well aware that if you don't win, you will probably—make that definitely—end up on the wrong horse on the coaching carousel. After all, you had a shot at winning the NCAA championship with Greg or Kevin or Derrick or Chris, or K-Love or whomever and you chose “student athletes.”

How can we justify your salary to our alumni—who've helped pay it—if you're not winning, not taking their team to the NCAA tournament every year or at least the NIT if you're rebuilding? The answer to the question, “Would you...?” is really rhetorical, isn't it?

I'd like to think not, though at the Dukes, the North Carolinas, the Virginias, and yes, the Xaviers, the question will not be rhetorical. And the graduation rates at one school anyway, will continue to be exemplary.:cool:

wkrq59 is a 1959 Xavier graduate and former Cincinnati Post sportswriter

Araceli
04-22-2008, 09:58 AM
Amen!!!!!!!Right on!!!!!! I would feel disgusted if X we´re to get into this game. Coach Miller, as a man of values (at least, he gives me that impression) does the correct thing with bringing kids along slowly, but surely. As Coach K said a few years back, "The Team with the proven seniors will end-up winning the Dance". We didn´t win it with West and others, but those kids are all professionals and X will "do it" with Miller and his Staff. I´m a believer in the right way to go. No short-cuts.

D-West & PO-Z
04-22-2008, 10:50 AM
I agree that it is not the best solution, and that it can hurt some schools, although I believe very short term and in regards to Memphis they have another top point guard coming in so I think they will be fine, but what about the good it does for a lot of these players? The NBA wasnt thinking about how it was going to hurt or help the top basketball schools in the country, they were thinking how it could help the high school kids. It can help a kid develop his game more, it can help him adjust to a longer more grueling schedule than he had in high school, without jumping straight to the 82 game schedule of the NBA. It can help a player with discipline. We all know there are temptations and bad decisions to be made in college and even more so when you are a millionaire at the age of 18 with no supervision. What is so bad about letting that kid learn from his mistakes under the supervision and discipline from a college coach? The kids can learn to deal with media in smaller doses before jumping to the NBA. These kids can learn a lot from the experience of college even if not in the classroom. They can learn how to better handle themselves in the spotlight develop their games so that they are better prepared for the lifestyle they are about to embark on in the NBA. Not to mention fans get to see some some amazing talent play in college that they would not have otherwise seen. As absurd it is to think that LeBron couldnt go right to the league could you imagine seeing him play in college? That would have been awesome. Lastly what about the kids who come to college and decide they do need more time there and decide to stay longer than a year?

I think that the system could be better, but I think it is better than not. Lets think about the good that can come for the kids as opposed to the bad things that happen for the schools who are making millions off of these kids anyway.

DC Muskie
04-22-2008, 11:47 AM
Boone Pickens, Michael Beasley, Thad Matta, Kevin Love...

The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse...

Somehow it is destructive for Matta to have two freshman on his team, lead them to the Championship game, then turn around the following year and "settle" for the NIT championship. How will they ever recover? UCLA brings in what some experts call the best recruiting class in the country. My, I wonder if they fail to go to a fourth consecutive Final Four, will "senior leadership" be the only thing standing in their way?

If Xavier is truly educating our players, why have most of our juniors not declared a major? When I went to Xavier, you had to declare a major after your sophomore season. Why is this lesson not given to our Student Athletes? Are they given special privileges that other students are denied? And when they declare a major, it's organizational communications. We're not talking business classes here.

I do however agree the rule is foolish. This is America and if a kid doesn't want to go to college, he shouldn't have to. We should be free to pursue our careers in the manner we would like. If someone offered me a couple of million to shoot a basketball, you'd bet your ass I'd be there to take it. I wouldn't want to sit in class either.

But to say this is the downfall of a university or academic integrity is hilarious. We are talking about an extremely small number of kids...the same amount of kids who drop out for the some reason, be it partying, finances, or not controlling your finances because you are partying too much. What's worse, a basketball player who comes to a school, remains eligible, stays one year then bolts to the NBA, or a kid who is trust fund baby, who stays all four years and is in academic and discipline probation throughout his career? Which says less about a school? And you know what, there's about the same percentage of both examples.

I'm proud of the way Xavier graduates a player. However if Xavier has an opportunity for a player of tremendous skill and ability and that young man wants to go to the NBA after one year, then I wish him the best. Simply because he is a part of the Xavier Family forever.

Muskie
04-22-2008, 11:48 AM
I think it's a "safer" gamble for the BCS schools. I don't think IU was hurt by having Eric Gordon for one year. It didn't end the way the envisioned, but that's not because of Gordon.

cowbeller
05-03-2008, 12:00 AM
If IT wiz-kid were offered a $150K/year job at Wal-mart after his freshman year, would you say, "stay in college?" If an economics major was a stock-picking genius, should he leave U of L to make five times the salary of his single mother to make a better living for them?

I think the NBA has done countless for the Corleon Youngs, Taj McDavids or Nndubi Edis of the world by adding the age restriction while not keeping them from pursuing their right to make a living. This has and will continue help out those that might be on the fringe of making it.

As far as your point on Ohio St., et al that only have one good year, then re-build. I think you're on the right track, but let's look at the last ten year's Final Four participants (we'll call that the pinnacle of success in college hoops). Xavier and your other colleges have never made it, so you can't include them in the argument that they're doing it right --- ITT educates people too, but don't make it to the Final Four either.

2008 Kansas, Memphis, North Carolina, UCLA
2007 Florida, Ohio State, Georgetown, UCLA
2006 UCLA, Florida, LSU, George Mason
2005 North Carolina, Illinois, Louisville, Michigan State
2004 Duke, Connecticut, Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech
2003 Texas, Kansas, Marquette, Syracuse
2002 Maryland, Kansas, Oklahoma, Indiana
2001 Duke, Michigan State, Arizona, Maryland
2000 Michigan State, Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin

Using your argument, those at the top must be on the way down due to early graduates (e.g. Melo at 'Cuse), Maryland? Marquette? Oklahoma St? Georgia Tech? George Mason!?!?!?!? The age limit might help one or two schools get to the Final Four that otherwise wouldn't, but it won't be the determining factor.

A better argument would be to say that the FANS are being teased by not keeping players. You're being selfish in your argument (which is fine, I would be on board with it). But please get off your high horse by saying it's for the kids and the institutions.

The NBA is a well-oiled machine; it's doing this right. If you were an NBA fan, you wouldn't care about this at all - am I wrong????

XUOHTX
05-06-2008, 02:33 PM
Some of the responses have mentioned the fact that kids should be able to chose if they want to go to college or not, like this rule makes them go to college. It doesn't, they just have to be 19 and/or one year removed from their high school graduation. Now granted there aren't a lot of options out there except a one and done college career but they don't have to go to.

I think the rule has upsides to it. A kid that would have gone to the NBA gets a little more time to mature and be mentored. They are exposed to academia for a year and can make a more educated decision about whether to leave for the league or not.

The number of kids that are one and done is very small compared to the total number of kids playing college basketball. Universities still have the opportunity to nuture a player for 4 years. Players still have the opportunity to remain in college and get their degree.

These kids aren't ruining college basketball because they are only around one year. Lets face it, the term student-athlete hasn't meant the same thing it used to for years and it never will again. No matter if you have this rule or not, there will still be kids coming in, not attending class like they should, doing just enough to stay eligible, and leaving early. I like the fact that these kids attend one year of college instead of going straight to the league. I like watching them play for that year, and I like what that year can do for them as a person.

MADXSTER
05-06-2008, 02:49 PM
I have a question for the legal minds out there.

I've never understood how the NBA could get away with the rule saying you had to be 19 years old to play in the league. To me it's age discrimination. If the person is not a minor thus is legally allowed to join into a legally binding contract, is percievably capable to perform the job task, then why can he not be hired.

Obviously the presidence has been set because NBA teams have already hired players coming out of high school.

I've always wondered why this has not been challenged in the courts. What's to stop the NBA to make it 25 years old? (From a legal standpoint not marketing)

Help me Obi Wan Kenobi....you're my only hope.

cowbeller
05-06-2008, 05:35 PM
I have a question for the legal minds out there.

I've never understood how the NBA could get away with the rule saying you had to be 19 years old to play in the league. To me it's age discrimination. If the person is not a minor thus is legally allowed to join into a legally binding contract, is percievably capable to perform the job task, then why can he not be hired.

Obviously the presidence has been set because NBA teams have already hired players coming out of high school.

I've always wondered why this has not been challenged in the courts. What's to stop the NBA to make it 25 years old? (From a legal standpoint not marketing)

Help me Obi Wan Kenobi....you're my only hope.

I don't know the bits and bytes of it, but you remember how Maurice Clarret's lawsuit went? Where is Mike Williams (all-American USC receiver)? Not sure how the ruling came down, but they definitely lost.

DC Muskie
05-20-2008, 01:47 PM
I believe the league can implement rules like an age requirement, due to the fact that it was legally bargained with the union for their work agreement. That's why Clarett lost, because it was collectively bargained that the NFL would require a certain age.

MADXSTER
05-20-2008, 06:52 PM
I guess age discrimination isn't something that is unconstitutional now is it? I'm answering my own question.

On further thought. Is it mandated that someone must join a union in order to work for them. If I wish to be a Cincinnati Police officer but absolutely do not want to join a union, would I be denied like GuyFawks at communion?

GoMuskies
05-20-2008, 07:18 PM
I wish we'd have had Kevin Love starting at Center for Xavier this past year.

GuyFawkes38
06-12-2008, 12:47 AM
Great article (all of Q's articles are a breath of fresh air on this board).

I believe that a coalition can be built to push the age back.

David Stern has recently hinted that he desires an increased age requirement. Stern is NBA management. He's very powerful.

It's obviously in the NCAA's interest to push the age back.

The players union is the problem. But remember, it's in the interest of veteran players for the age to be pushed back. And veteran players have a disproportionate amount of power in the union.

So I'm hopeful.

MADXSTER
07-13-2008, 10:30 PM
I guess age discrimination isn't something that is unconstitutional now is it? I'm answering my own question.

On further thought. Is it mandated that someone must join a union in order to work for them. If I wish to be a Cincinnati Police officer but absolutely do not want to join a union, would I be denied?

I still haven't had this question answered.

Another question. Can a labor union create agreements that may be unlawful such as age discrimination...such as the case effecting Branden Jennings?

If a lawyer decides to take a case like this and run, would he have a leg to stand on?

xu95
07-14-2008, 07:57 AM
I still haven't had this question answered.

Another question. Can a labor union create agreements that may be unlawful such as age discrimination...such as the case effecting Branden Jennings?

If a lawyer decides to take a case like this and run, would he have a leg to stand on?

I don't know. The NFLs age limit was taken to court and the NFL won. I'm sure some would say a standard was set in that case.

xu95