Useless Musings: 2025-26 Roster

[MHettel]

We may or may not be done, but are certainly MOSTLY done building the roster for next year.

I figure the only remaking thing we “need” is another PG. maybe a starter? Maybe a guy that splits time with Roddy? Or maybe just a guy that can fill in for 10-13 minutes a game. Or maybe we already have that guy in Wright? I personally think we will add one and it won’t be a splash.

In any case we know enough to start analyzing….

(Excepting the incoming Freshman Big)

If you add up all the minutes played by the roster last year (2 years ago for Anderson), they actually played more combined minutes than our entire roster played last year. In fact these guys played about 520 minutes more than our roster did (about 2 games). Sure it wasn’t against the Big East, but it was generally done against mid major level teams.

You can’t just add up the stats of these guys….but you can tight size their performance by calibrating to the same number of minutes played as XU and create a “composite” of what this team may have done stat-wise.

Before you say it, I’ll say it for you. This approach is flawed in a thousand ways. It doesn’t take into account….almost everything. But it’s simple, and it’s transparent. And it’s May. So enjoy it or don’t.

Let’s just compare some key stats directly vs our team last year:

(New team listed first)

BASIC STATS
PPG: 75.4 vs 78.1
RPG: 31.5 vs 33.3
APG: 12.2 vs 16.7
FG%: 45.3 vs 46.7
3FG: 36.0 vs 39.3

Basic takeaway is that it looks like a balanced roster, but from a performance perspective, it lags behind last years XU team in all measures.


DEEPER STATS
FTA per game: 13 vs 16.5
FT%: 73.1 vs 78.9
3PA per game: 23.3 vs 21.4
OREB per game: 7.7 vs 7.8
DREB per game: 23.7 vs 25.5
BLK per game : 3.5 vs 2.5
SPG per game: 6.3 vs 7.7
Fouls per game: 16.1 vs 15.7
TOS per game:? 9.6 vs 10.9

More of the same really. It looks like a really balanced, well constructed roster first of all. Somewhat surprising to me that the combined performance of these guys just really looks like what an actual team may have done.


I wanted to next analyze a few key stats:

3PT%- we have an interesting mix of guys. Pizza to takes kinda lot of 3s (139) but only hit 31.7%. Milcevic didn’t take as many (59), but hit 45%. All Wright jacked up 175 3s and shot 38.3%. Those attempts would have ranked 2nd on our team last year by 63. Roddy Anderson and Borocavin took 157 3s between them and hit about 29%. Malik Moore took 149 3s and hit 40.9%. Tre Carroll shot 38.8% on 67 attempts. Walker hurts the average shooting 32.7% on 98 attempts. Make no mistake, there is a combination of guys you can put on the floor and launch a 3 point barrage

ORebs- when I was logging the stats, I started to worry about this. We have 2 guys that didn’t even get TEN offensive rebounds. And then another 4 that got less than 20. Isaiah Walker, a combo guard from Belmont had the most incoming ORebs with 64. Uh oh. But, we have a couple guys that put up some numbers in limited minutes. Tre Carroll grabbed 54 OREbs in 22 mpg. That’s 1.7 per game , but more importantly would be 2.0+ if he played “starter” minutes. Robinson is similar in that he put up good “per minute” averages in limited minutes so it doesn’t translate too well to the projected totals. N’Diaye also had some decent numbers in limited minutes, actually at a higher rate than Robinson and Carroll. But I do think this will be a weak spot. These 3 are the only productive offensive rebounder and 2 of them will never be on the floor together and the other is a 6-7 guy that will need to clean the glass vs the BE. Problem area for sure.

Blk- ok, Robinson and N’Diaye are the rim protectors we’ve been waiting for. In particular N’Diaye. He had one block per game in 13 minutes. Yes, please. And, he mopped up the O Boards. That’s a very specific role player….rim protector and glass cleaner. And Robinson is similar. Both guys take almost no threes and shoot a combined 67%. These guys will be playing center for us. 100% of the minutes will go to these guys. We finally have our Big East level rim protectors/ D First big man.

FTA- this is an area of concern too. Wright, Pozzatto, Carroll, Moore, and walker get to the line the most, but only wright would have finished in the top 4 from our team last year. This has been a longstanding point of emphasis for me. Gotta have a guy that gets to the line and really it’s gotta be a close out kinda guy. Robinson seems to be the big with the most likely chance to get to the line. The other bigs don’t get to the line much and Anderson doesn’t really either. Pozzatto missed several games so his low totals get overlooked, so maybe he’s the guy. Definitely a “watch” area.

Assists- we kids have the “numbers” but we don’t have the means to play everyone. Wright, Anderson, Moore and Walker combined for 8.2 assist, but you can’t play those 4 the same amount of minutes (110 minutes…80 available). We’re gonna need at least one guy to become a primary distributor. From an inside out perspective we’re screwed. Robinson and NDaiye had 4 assists. Thats not a typo. I didn’t mean “per game”. They had 4 assists, combined, all year. And one of those guys willl be on the court at all times. I’m trying desperately to figure out how this team can move the ball and score and I just don’t see it. Carroll and Pizarro had 85 assist between them, which is one less than Ryan Conwell and 5 less than Swain.


Takeaways:

After having done this exercise, I am…

-high on NDaiye and Robinson. Not as individuals, but as a tandem at the 5.

- high on Tre Carroll. Undersized, but productive. Hoping he translates to the BE

- high on All Wroght. Hope he can be a primary or backup ball handler.

- iffy on Pozzatto. Love the YouTube. But shooting %, getting to the line, ORebs and Assists are a concern.

-high on Walker. Don’t sleep on Walker. He’s productive. Sleepwalker.


Concluding my initial thoughts, I’m actually hoping we roll with this squad and Wright can play some PG. too much talent and production on the bench to further dilute by bringing more guys in.

[xu82]

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[drudy23]

It’s not building a roster, it’s renting some mercenaries.

We get it, you hate it.

Put your money and time where your mouth is then.

[xu82]

We get it, you hate it.

Put your money and time where your mouth is then.

I’ll spend both where I please.

[Xavier]

XU82 derailing every thread because he doesn’t like the direction of the sport. At least stick to one thread, don’t try to bring everyone down with you.

As for the thread, Xavier’s focus in the portal is going to be how the guys fit into the system, especially defensively. So I never expected offensive stats to be eye opening. So much of the teams success depends how they gel (duh).

[drudy23]

I’ll spend both where I please.

Then stop whining, JFC.

[xu82]

Then stop whining, JFC.

I came here to delete that post, but you’re almost inspiring me to continue. Look who’s whining now.

[drudy23]

I came here to delete that post, but you’re almost inspiring me to continue. Look who’s whining now.

Man, you got me.

[GIMMFD]

I always enjoy the analysis MHettel, it's always insightful and uncovers stuff I haven't thought about, I think there's potential in this new team, if anything at least we have a lot of size, may not have the streaky shooters, or big time scorers though which makes me a bit nervous about what will happen if we are down and need a bucket, or if another team goes on a run and we need to stop the bleeding. Granted guys could step up, but not sure if we have that on the roster just yet, will be interesting to see how fast they gel and what we can accomplish.

[MHettel]

I always enjoy the analysis MHettel, it's always insightful and uncovers stuff I haven't thought about, I think there's potential in this new team, if anything at least we have a lot of size, may not have the streaky shooters, or big time scorers though which makes me a bit nervous about what will happen if we are down and need a bucket, or if another team goes on a run and we need to stop the bleeding. Granted guys could step up, but not sure if we have that on the roster just yet, will be interesting to see how fast they gel and what we can accomplish.

I had an occasion to reread what I posted and I’m now having some new concerns. The inside out game is going to be an issue. Going back to 4 total assist for our incoming bigs and our only versatile forward is undersized. Ball movement is going to be an issue. We have shooters. There are lineups where we can get 4 knockdown guys on the floor at once. But shooter are only as good as the shots they get, and a team that can’t work inside out will be left with only contested shots. Looks like a team that will run and try to score before the defense sets up. Half court offense will be an issue. That said, teams will try to defend the fastbreak which means less crashing the boards on offense for them. If our defense is stout and teams miss the first attempt, we could see a lot of possessions with some low half court efficiency.

Could be some ugly low scoring games, and defense wins those

[muskiefan82]

So X would be like a Cronin UC team?

[Xville]

So X would be like a Cronin UC team?

I don't know if I'd say that. If you look at the New Mexico teams, they scored a lot of points (more than X did last year) albeit in a weaker conference. X is going to run a lot like they did with Miller, but from a defensive strategy standpoint it's going to be a lot different, think more like St. John's. Lots of ball pressure, taking chances..which is ok because on the roster there is rim protection..something Xavier hasn't had in what seems like forever.

I for one am excited about the direction X is heading. We may not be the best team this upcoming year, but I do think we have the right coach who is on the upward trajectory of his career vs a guy like Miller who quite frankly is on the downside and IMO, isn't a great fit for what is going on in today's bb.

[Olsingledigit]

I don't know if I'd say that. If you look at the New Mexico teams, they scored a lot of points (more than X did last year) albeit in a weaker conference. X is going to run a lot like they did with Miller, but from a defensive strategy standpoint it's going to be a lot different, think more like St. John's. Lots of ball pressure, taking chances..which is ok because on the roster there is rim protection..something Xavier hasn't had in what seems like forever.

I for one am excited about the direction X is heading. We may not be the best team this upcoming year, but I do think we have the right coach who is on the upward trajectory of his career vs a guy like Miller who quite frankly is on the downside and IMO, isn't a great fit for what is going on in today's bb.

It's ok to be on an upward trajectory as long as you stay at X long enough to have a trajectory! Just sayin

[Xville]

It's ok to be on an upward trajectory as long as you stay at X long enough to have a trajectory! Just sayin

Fair. I’ve been told by a friend that knows Richard’s sister. He’s not going to be a long term guy and that’s ok if he has success. If we get 5-6 years out of the guy and he gets us back to the second weekend where then anything can happen, I’ll take it. I’ve given up on the idea that anyone will stay long term, it’s just not realistic now more than ever.

[JTG]

Fair. I’ve been told by a friend that knows Richard’s sister. He’s not going to be a long term guy and that’s ok if he has success. If we get 5-6 years out of the guy and he gets us back to the second weekend where then anything can happen, I’ll take it. I’ve given up on the idea that anyone will stay long term, it’s just not realistic now more than ever.

You're really gonna start this Pitino leaving shit before we've played one game. Maybe we should just go Dlll.

[GoMuskies]

I don't know anyone's sister, but it's pretty obvious Pitino's not staying at Xavier any longer than he has to. I'm just hoping he leaves because he's good and not because he sucks. Could definitely go either way.

[Xville]

You're really gonna start this Pitino leaving shit before we've played one game. Maybe we should just go Dlll.

It’s just being realistic. Not even a big deal, just win while you’re here. There are going to be bigger jobs than x that open about every single year, is what it is.

[MHettel]

It’s just being realistic. Not even a big deal, just win while you’re here. There are going to be bigger jobs than x that open about every single year, is what it is.

Small time thinking. This is a recipe for mediocrity. If you are happy with this, it will manifest

[XUGRAD80]

Small time thinking. This is a recipe for mediocrity. If you are happy with this, it will manifest

It’s just a fact, nothing more. Wishful thinking doesn’t change facts. There are darn few “destination” jobs and X has never been one of them. That doesn’t make X mediocre. Villanova won national championships. Is it a destination job? Is UConn? Will it be considered one when or if Hurley leaves? Cal left KY for a mid-pack SEC school. Mack left for UL. Miller left twice. None of that makes X a bad job. It’s a very good job. But it’s not top of the heap in terms of pay, benefits, support, or potential to win championships. There are other, better, jobs. I agree with Xville, appreciate the coaches while they are here (if they deserve it) but don’t be surprised when they move on.

[Xavier]

I don’t care how long a coach stays depending on the success they bring.

[drudy23]

Small time thinking. This is a recipe for mediocrity. If you are happy with this, it will manifest

Tough to say. We've seen the history, and especially recently, coaches aren't staying, even with success.

But paying below market is also small-time. Until that changes, they're always going to look.

[paulxu]

This is an aptly titled thread.

[MHettel]

It’s just a fact, nothing more. Wishful thinking doesn’t change facts. There are darn few “destination” jobs and X has never been one of them. That doesn’t make X mediocre. Villanova won national championships. Is it a destination job? Is UConn? Will it be considered one when or if Hurley leaves? Cal left KY for a mid-pack SEC school. Mack left for UL. Miller left twice. None of that makes X a bad job. It’s a very good job. But it’s not top of the heap in terms of pay, benefits, support, or potential to win championships. There are other, better, jobs. I agree with Xville, appreciate the coaches while they are here (if they deserve it) but don’t be surprised when they move on.

I love these types of arguments. Start with “it’s just a fact”, and then everything from there somehow is sanctioned under that umbrella.

What is a fact, exactly? That XU has not been a destination job? Well, since the early 90s we’ve had Gillen, Prosser, Matta, Miller, Mack, Steele, Miller and Pitino. So if THAT is the evidence of your fact, then fine. But that doesn’t mean we have to remain in such a status.

You just concede? I guess we’re a stepping stone. Poor us. Screw that.

Here is a fact. There ARE destination jobs. Plenty. We should be one. At least strive to be one. This mindset of accepting that we are are not and will not EVER reach that inner circle is for losers.

I like how Calipari’s name came up. He coached UK for 15 years. 15. Fifteen. Five plus ten. He started at UK during Mack’s first year and made it through Mack’s tenure, steeles tenure and 2 years of Miller. We haven’t had a guy close to that. Let’s start there.

[Xville]

I love these types of arguments. Start with “it’s just a fact”, and then everything from there somehow is sanctioned under that umbrella.

What is a fact, exactly? That XU has not been a destination job? Well, since the early 90s we’ve had Gillen, Prosser, Matta, Miller, Mack, Steele, Miller and Pitino. So if THAT is the evidence of your fact, then fine. But that doesn’t mean we have to remain in such a status.

You just concede? I guess we’re a stepping stone. Poor us. Screw that.

Here is a fact. There ARE destination jobs. Plenty. We should be one. At least strive to be one. This mindset of accepting that we are are not and will not EVER reach that inner circle is for losers.

I like how Calipari’s name came up. He coached UK for 15 years. 15. Fifteen. Five plus ten. He started at UK during Mack’s first year and made it through Mack’s tenure, steeles tenure and 2 years of Miller. We haven’t had a guy close to that. Let’s start there.

There are maybe five to ten destination jobs in college basketball. And ten is probably pushing it. Unless you’re hiding a few Xavier alum billionaires somewhere, x will never get there, at least not in our lifetimes. Doesn’t mean x can’t make final fours and win a championship someday.

The reality of the situation is that x is a small midwestern university (surrounded by big schools including a few destination jobs within a two hour radius) with a small endowment, small alumni base, and most importantly a very small base of multimillionaire donors. We don’t even have a final four yet, let’s start there before worrying about our mindset of not being a destination job.

I didn’t realize that there would be some that seriously think this would be it for pitino if he were to be successful here.

[MHettel]

There are maybe five to ten destination jobs in college basketball. And ten is probably pushing it. Unless you’re hiding a few Xavier alum billionaires somewhere, x will never get there, at least not in our lifetimes. Doesn’t mean x can’t make final fours and win a championship someday.

The reality of the situation is that x is a small midwestern university (surrounded by big schools including a few destination jobs within a two hour radius) with a small endowment, small alumni base, and most importantly a very small base of multimillionaire donors. We don’t even have a final four yet, let’s start there before worrying about our mindset of not being a destination job.

I didn’t realize that there would be some that seriously think this would be it for pitino if he were to be successful here.

Gonzaga

[Xville]

Gonzaga

Gonzaga isn’t a destination job unless you’re just saying a destination job is where one coach stays for 15 plus years. I mean, is creighton a destination job then? Mark few is just a weird dude that likes to fish and had no interest in leaving. I have a different definition of what a destination job is… I think of it as blueblood programs where coaches are dying to go and winning going to final fours and winning championships is relatively routine. Uk, duke, unc etc.

[GoMuskies]

I think you meant to say Few is weirdly normal.

[drudy23]

I honestly think there's a fine line between what Xavier is and what Duke became.

It honestly takes the right person with the right strategy at the right time. Also takes some bravery and risk.

[JTG]

Creighton, and Nova pre Wright aren't destination jobs either . But keeping coaches for an extended time pays dividends. When you lose a coach every 5 years, pretty much the Xavier average, you keep having to start over. Yes, we've continued to win, but not like the Purdues and Michigan States, or Syracuse of CBB. Money isn't always the answer either. Look at ND, who has more money than God, post Digger. They are a mess. Pitino might leave in a few years but should he be successful and stay, who knows what X can become.

[Xville]

Creighton, and Nova pre Wright aren't destination jobs either . But keeping coaches for an extended time pays dividends. When you lose a coach every 5 years, pretty much the Xavier average, you keep having to start over. Yes, we've continued to win, but not like the Purdues and Michigan States, or Syracuse of CBB. Money isn't always the answer either. Look at ND, who has more money than God, post Digger. They are a mess. Pitino might leave in a few years but should he be successful and stay, who knows what X can become.


IMO, continuity mattered 6 years ago. I don’t think it does anymore. I have a couple of buddies that went to nd. They’ve said no one cares about basketball there, so I doubt all that much money is going into that program. It’s why I scoff when people suggest nd coming to the big east as if they’d be some prize. We aren’t getting their football team.

If pitino is successful and leave after five years, that’s fine by me. Just get us back to where we were pre Steele. What Xavier can’t do is make a bad hire again and that’s I guess where the continuity angle comes into play. Steele set us back literally a decade. It took him about two years to destroy what x had been building for thirty.

[JTG]

IMO, continuity mattered 6 years ago. I don’t think it does anymore. I have a couple of buddies that went to nd. They’ve said no one cares about basketball there, so I doubt all that much money is going into that program. It’s why I scoff when people suggest nd coming to the big east as if they’d be some prize. We aren’t getting their football team.

If pitino is successful and leave after five years, that’s fine by me. Just get us back to where we were pre Steele. What Xavier can’t do is make a bad hire again and that’s I guess where the continuity angle comes into play. Steele set us back literally a decade. It took him about two years to destroy what x had been building for thirty.

I agree about Steele. The guy is a great recruiter. He's even got some decent guys to come to Miami, which is a crap program. He found all the guys that made Mack's teams. But Steele couldn't coach, at least mot at the Big East level.

[MHettel]

IMO, continuity mattered 6 years ago. I don’t think it does anymore. I have a couple of buddies that went to nd. They’ve said no one cares about basketball there, so I doubt all that much money is going into that program. It’s why I scoff when people suggest nd coming to the big east as if they’d be some prize. We aren’t getting their football team.

If pitino is successful and leave after five years, that’s fine by me. Just get us back to where we were pre Steele. What Xavier can’t do is make a bad hire again and that’s I guess where the continuity angle comes into play. Steele set us back literally a decade. It took him about two years to destroy what x had been building for thirty.

I don’t understand. On one hand you start with the statement that continuity basically doesn’t matter, but you end with the claim that Steele set us back a decade. Steele coached for 4 years. Those years were not prosperous. But not a total train wreck by the standards of most programs. He also left Miller with a nice roster to which he only added Boum essentially.

So how does Steele impact the 6 years after he’s gone? It’s not adding up to me…..

[XUGRAD80]

I guess I’ve always defined a “destination” job as one being that ANY coach would aspire to have someday. One that any coach would consider leaving their present job to take. I don’t think that is a “loser” mentality to admit that Xavier is not in that category and probably never will be. Sure, I’d love to have a good coach stay for their whole career. There are a lot of pluses to having a good coach stay at a school for a long time. But X has still been very successful even without that happening. So it’s not mandatory that it happens in order for success to happen. Nor do I measure how successful a team is just based on NCAA finishes. So I’m not going to measure if X is a successful program based on making a F4 or winning a Nati. So if thinking that X isn’t a “destination” job, or that the team can be successful without winning a championship makes me a “loser” in someone else’s opinion, so be it. Mind over matter. I don’t mind because their opinion doesn't really matter. It’s just an opinion. That doesn’t make it fact.

[MHettel]

I guess I’ve always defined a “destination” job as one being that ANY coach would aspire to have someday. One that any coach would consider leaving their present job to take. I don’t think that is a “loser” mentality to admit that Xavier is not in that category and probably never will be. Sure, I’d love to have a good coach stay for their whole career. There are a lot of pluses to having a good coach stay at a school for a long time. But X has still been very successful even without that happening. So it’s not mandatory that it happens in order for success to happen. Nor do I measure how successful a team is just based on NCAA finishes. So I’m not going to measure if X is a successful program based on making a F4 or winning a Nati. So if thinking that X isn’t a “destination” job, or that the team can be successful without winning a championship makes me a “loser” in someone else’s opinion, so be it. Mind over matter. I don’t mind because their opinion doesn't really matter. It’s just an opinion. That doesn’t make it fact.

Hilarious since you started post #19 with “it’s just a fact”.

Count me confused

[Xville]

I don’t understand. On one hand you start with the statement that continuity basically doesn’t matter, but you end with the claim that Steele set us back a decade. Steele coached for 4 years. Those years were not prosperous. But not a total train wreck by the standards of most programs. He also left Miller with a nice roster to which he only added Boum essentially.

So how does Steele impact the 6 years after he’s gone? It’s not adding up to me…..

Continuity is only important as long as you continue to hire the right people that progress the program forward. Steele did the complete opposite. Yes it wasn’t a Kenny Payne trainwreck, but we didn’t make the tourney in four years and what was once a program that went to the tourney about every year and was getting very high seeds, turned into a mid program. Because of that, x had to go back to the miller well, which in hindsight was actually a bad decision ( I would have made the same decision just saying ) so now x is having to build back up again because miller had one foot out the door the entire time and had zero strategy in development. So four years of Steele, three of miller and I’m guessing at least 2-3 years of getting back where x was pre Steele.

Had x hired Kelsey instead of Steele, x would be in a much different place or at the least would have had a much different last seven years and I believe we would have stayed where we were, or progressed to a final four by now.

This is all to say the Steele tenure screwed us. Continuity is fine but it can also go sour…see cal at uk the last five or six years of his tenure or countless other examples.

[XUGRAD80]

Hilarious since you started post #19 with “it’s just a fact”.

Count me confused

Do you intentionally try to annoy people, or does it just come naturally to you?

[MHettel]

Continuity is only important as long as you continue to hire the right people that progress the program forward. Steele did the complete opposite. Yes it wasn’t a Kenny Payne trainwreck, but we didn’t make the tourney in four years and what was once a program that went to the tourney about every year and was getting very high seeds, turned into a mid program. Because of that, x had to go back to the miller well, which in hindsight was actually a bad decision ( I would have made the same decision just saying ) so now x is having to build back up again because miller had one foot out the door the entire time and had zero strategy in development. So four years of Steele, three of miller and I’m guessing at least 2-3 years of getting back where x was pre Steele.

Had x hired Kelsey instead of Steele, x would be in a much different place or at the least would have had a much different last seven years and I believe we would have stayed where we were, or progressed to a final four by now.

This is all to say the Steele tenure screwed us. Continuity is fine but it can also go sour…see cal at uk the last five or six years of his tenure or countless other examples.

So Steele didn’t move the program forward. That’s for sure.

Miller didn’t either. In fact there will be more players playing for Texas next year that played for Xavier than Xavier players next year that played for Xavier. We’re basically an expansion team.

Under your claim continuity is only important if your aren’t moving forward. Which we aren’t. So it IS important? But it’s not? But it is?

Every time we lose a coach there is some level of reset that occurs. So take 6 coaching changes and just imagine that we don’t take a step back. Let’s just assume we kinda hold our ground instead. And then an inch forward. And another. And we avoid these resets where he have to play 50 new faces in a 4 year period. In that scenario, we’ve made the final 4. We maybe even have a championship. And we ARE a destination job. Because it would have been proven that it CAN be done here and you don’t have to bail to some middling SEC program with deep pockets to chase a ring.

[Xville]

So Steele didn’t move the program forward. That’s for sure.

Miller didn’t either. In fact there will be more players playing for Texas next year that played for Xavier than Xavier players next year that played for Xavier. We’re basically an expansion team.

Under your claim continuity is only important if your aren’t moving forward. Which we aren’t. So it IS important? But it’s not? But it is?

Every time we lose a coach there is some level of reset that occurs. So take 6 coaching changes and just imagine that we don’t take a step back. Let’s just assume we kinda hold our ground instead. And then an inch forward. And another. And we avoid these resets where he have to play 50 new faces in a 4 year period. In that scenario, we’ve made the final 4. We maybe even have a championship. And we ARE a destination job. Because it would have been proven that it CAN be done here and you don’t have to bail to some middling SEC program with deep pockets to chase a ring.

It’s not important. Hiring the right coach is. See staak, gillen, prosser, Matta, miller 1.0, mack. If one day we get a final four and even a championship that doesn’t all of a sudden make us a destination program. Nova is not a destination program, Baylor is not a destination program.

Destination programs are the pinnacle of college basketball you are talking 5-10 with 10 probably being too many. You’re talking bluest of the bluebloods. That’s decades of multiple final fours, multiple banners etc to even think about getting there.

Fucking butler went to back to back championships. I think they have been thru what 4-5 coaches since?


Continuity doesn’t equal more success. God love him but do you think had prosser stayed we would have progressed to second weekends?

[MHettel]

Do you intentionally try to annoy people, or does it just come naturally to you?

Bro, try not to make it so easy. I’m jumping on EVERY argument that starts with “this is a fact” and ends with “it only an opinion”.

[XUGRAD80]

Bro, try not to make it so easy. I’m jumping on EVERY argument that starts with “this is a fact” and ends with “it only an opinion”.

You just answered my question. SMH

[Final4]

I don't know anyone's sister, but it's pretty obvious Pitino's not staying at Xavier any longer than he has to. I'm just hoping he leaves because he's good and not because he sucks. Could definitely go either way.

The Pitino family was recently pictured on the Hyde Park Country Club news letter as new members. Maybe they fall in love with the area and don't want to leave.

[GoMuskies]

Could be. Also could be that membership at Hyde Park CC is part of his compensation package from Xavier.

[Xville]

Could be. Also could be that membership at Hyde Park CC is part of his compensation package from Xavier.

Think I remember seeing that as part of millers package but maybe I’m remembering wrong. Regardless, could happen I guess. I just don’t see a young pitino staying at x for the foreseeable future and that’s not even considering what I’ve heard. But hey I’ve been wrong before.

[XUGRAD80]

Think I remember seeing that as part of millers package but maybe I’m remembering wrong. Regardless, could happen I guess. I just don’t see a young pitino staying at x for the foreseeable future and that’s not even considering what I’ve heard. But hey I’ve been wrong before.

It’s a pretty common element of a head coach’s package at most schools.

[Final4]

Could be. Also could be that membership at Hyde Park CC is part of his compensation package from Xavier.

Oh I'm sure it is. My comment has less to do with the fact that they have a country club membership (that's standard fare anymore) but more with the specific club and neighborhood that have opted to settle in. People relocate from all over the country into Hyde Park/Mt. Lookout and NEVER leave.

[GoMuskies]

Hyde Park is certainly very nice. I have massive doubts about their intended longevity here, but time will tell!

[paulxu]

Xavier saved money by not ponying up for the Cincinnati CC.

[bjf123]

Xavier saved money by not ponying up for the Cincinnati CC.

Could have been worse had they wanted Kenwood, Camargo, or Coldstream. Pitino picked a bad time to join Hyde Park. I’ve heard they’re closing the course for a number of months.


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[JTG]

Think I remember seeing that as part of millers package but maybe I’m remembering wrong. Regardless, could happen I guess. I just don’t see a young pitino staying at x for the foreseeable future and that’s not even considering what I’ve heard. But hey I’ve been wrong before.

So you've already heard he has a foot out the door?

[Xville]

So you've already heard he has a foot out the door?

Just take this for whatever you think it’s worth. I have a buddy who is friends with Richard’s sister. She has said that he has big ambitions, that the family is very excited to be at x, but don’t expect him to be here very long. If he has success and a big dog comes calling he’s gone. With that said, I wouldn’t say he has a foot out the door, he has a decent long term strategy going here that’s probably going to take 2-3 years to really get going, I just wouldn’t expect him here more than 5-6 years. In that timeframe I’m sure some really great jobs are going to open up. I don’t think he’s going to take any bigger job, it’s going to be a place where bb is #1, in the right part of the country for him and family, and just an overall good fit.

[noteggs]

Could have been worse had they wanted Kenwood, Camargo, or Coldstream. Pitino picked a bad time to join Hyde Park. I’ve heard they’re closing the course for a number of months.


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Yeah sounds like they’re closing course for about year according to my brother in law. Doing a restoration mainly to open up the fairways. Guess the old trees are a big problem.

[paulxu]

Do you suppose they have reciprocal privileges at other courses for when theirs is closed?

[94GRAD]

Do you suppose they have reciprocal privileges at other courses for when theirs is closed?

Absolutely. Cincinnati CC had privileges at HP during their 18-month renovation, and I'm sure they'll return the favor.

[bjf123]

Do you suppose they have reciprocal privileges at other courses for when theirs is closed?


Absolutely. Cincinnati CC had privileges at HP during their 18-month renovation, and I'm sure they'll return the favor.

Yep. I heard about it playing with my usual Saturday group at Clovernook. We’ll be doing something so Hyde Park members can play at our club.


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[webxu]

Just take this for whatever you think it’s worth. I have a buddy who is friends with Richard’s sister. She has said that he has big ambitions, that the family is very excited to be at x, but don’t expect him to be here very long. If he has success and a big dog comes calling he’s gone. With that said, I wouldn’t say he has a foot out the door, he has a decent long term strategy going here that’s probably going to take 2-3 years to really get going, I just wouldn’t expect him here more than 5-6 years. In that timeframe I’m sure some really great jobs are going to open up. I don’t think he’s going to take any bigger job, it’s going to be a place where bb is #1, in the right part of the country for him and family, and just an overall good fit.

The ironic part of all this is, the one coach who would have stayed here for the long run would have been Steele...

[Olsingledigit]

It’s not important. Hiring the right coach is. See staak, gillen, prosser, Matta, miller 1.0, mack. If one day we get a final four and even a championship that doesn’t all of a sudden make us a destination program. Nova is not a destination program, Baylor is not a destination program.

Destination programs are the pinnacle of college basketball you are talking 5-10 with 10 probably being too many. You’re talking bluest of the bluebloods. That’s decades of multiple final fours, multiple banners etc to even think about getting there.

Fucking butler went to back to back championships. I think they have been thru what 4-5 coaches since?


Continuity doesn’t equal more success. God love him but do you think had prosser stayed we would have progressed to second weekends?
Indiana was thought to be a blueblood, but after Knight they have not done anything and they have as many resources as any school.