Sean Miller

[Xville]

Is he staying? If he leaves I think that tells us everything we need to know. 1.) about him. 2.) ability of our program to compete in this era. 3.) where our expectations really should be.

I’m not confident in our leadership at the top. So I wouldn’t be surprised. Gc is crap who has been there way too long and failed up. Never made a good hire his entire career outside of Sean falling into his lap. We shall see what happens.

[CP05XU08CU13]

I would say Sean can be “selective” at this point in his coaching career. I think he would have possibly jumped to Indiana if that position did not get filled already. However, Indiana fans already tried the “Miller” route with Archie and that did not work out. I think if a true Blue Blood opening comes available, then he will take it. I would not blame him. He already tried Arizona and had decent results. Just my two cents.

[Xavier]

Obvious rumors about Texas. I think it’s a spot he would like. He was very much interested after beard left. I don’t think it’s quite the same now, but there is chatter. Is it to get more resources from X or is he actually interested again?

Coaches really want the SEC. I think it’s a complete toss up, but with the portal opening Monday I expect to know by the end of Sunday what Texas is doing

[MHettel]

I’d prefer that he stays for continuity reasons. But if he goes, freaking do it NOW, and then let’s get someone in here in a matter of days.

You just cannot go an extended period of time without a coach in this day and age with a roster in limbo and the portal as such an easy option

[Section 200]

I would be surprised if Sean goes to Texas but if he goes, he got us a Sweet Sixteen and an amazing victory over Texas and got the program back on track after Steele.

[A Fan]

You mentioned on another thread that “ your Guy” said Sean was leaving. If he knew that I assume he knew why?

[Xavier]

Agreed. Let’s move quick one way or the other. In the portal era, the change isn’t really as bad. I’d never be as comfortable about a potential change. But we can’t let it last long. If Miller is coach at Texas by Monday- Xavier needs a coach within a week

[XUGRAD80]

I really really really hope that Sean stays.

[xu82]

I really really really hope that Sean stays.

I agree 100%. My interest has been waning for a few years with the portal and NIL. If he left (again) it might just be the last straw.

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm not convinced how "back on track" the program is. Better, certainly, but compared to what? Tin Man years, yes. Pre-tin. No.

Barely squeaking into the tournament with the veteran line-up (seemingly playing their best ball at the right time) then laying a complete turn in round one against a 6 seed...

Maybe Illinois will go on and make a lot of teams look as bad as they made X look.

2026 is going to be a very important year for this program and going into the off-season is going to tell us a lot about the "track".

[Xavier]

Injuries have killed Miller in the 2nd time around.

Year 1) Freemantle goes out. Fresh off looking like the best BE team and beating eventual NC two times. They were final four good.
Year 2) starting front court went down- it was scramble mode from Europeans to try and get anything worth while in the post.
Year 3) the biggest thing X was missing was a center who could play defense and rebound. He got hurt for the year before it started.

If he’s back, I’d love for a year to see how his plan could work out. X isn’t in bad shape in NIL. But not in good enough shape to overcome starting injuries and look great.

[Xville]

Don’t understand how Texas is desirable. Yes they have money, but zero basketball tradition and will always be second fiddle to football. Miller should be selective. There will be way better jobs than Texas that opens up at some point

[XUGRAD80]

Maybe he is sick of cold and snowy winters and living in Arizona spoiled him?

[Strange Brew]

Injuries have killed Miller in the 2nd time around.

Year 1) Freemantle goes out. Fresh off looking like the best BE team and beating eventual NC two times. They were final four good.
Year 2) starting front court went down- it was scramble mode from Europeans to try and get anything worth while in the post.
Year 3) the biggest thing X was missing was a center who could play defense and rebound. He got hurt for the year before it started.

If he’s back, I’d love for a year to see how his plan could work out. X isn’t in bad shape in NIL. But not in good enough shape to overcome starting injuries and look great.

This.

And Ville. Why now?

The fact of the matter is X doesn’t have the $$$ to win. So, I hope Sean stays and builds something at X however the game has become a money maker for a lot on interests.

It sucks and it will not get better. For example, one of my former team mate’s (baseball) kid signed a NIL deal at 12 years old worth more (inflation adjusted) than what we were paid to play at the lowest level possible in the minors.

The sooner we all realize that it’s a business the better we’ll feel about it.

Let’s go X!

[Cincypunk.org]

This.

And Ville. Why now?

The fact of the matter is X doesn’t have the $$$ to win. So, I hope Sean stays and builds something at X however the game has become a money maker for a lot on interests.

It sucks and it will not get better. For example, one of my former team mate’s (baseball) kid signed a NIL deal at 12 years old worth more (inflation adjusted) than what we were paid to play at the lowest level possible in the minors.

The sooner we all realize that it’s a business the better we’ll feel about it.

Let’s go X!

I guess I don’t understand this… who is paying a 12-year-old? Is he repoing a business? If so, who sees a 12-year-old promote a business and say “Hey, I think I’ll spend $$$ at that business because of this 12-year-old!!!”


When NIL first started I thought it was so players could be hired to endorse local car dealerships and restaurants etc. Now schools just get a lot of $$$ from donors to pay players? School with the most funds to pay players gets their pick of the litter?


Is there any chance NIL will get reigned in with a salary cap or a limit like 1 transfer per player in their career?

With Free and Hunter leaving and us probably never seeing a guy play more than 2 years at X again it definitely makes it harder to be invested and interested.

[Xavgrad08]

Is he staying? If he leaves I think that tells us everything we need to know. 1.) about him. 2.) ability of our program to compete in this era. 3.) where our expectations really should be.

IÂ’m not confident in our leadership at the top. So I wouldnÂ’t be surprised. Gc is crap who has been there way too long and failed up. Never made a good hire his entire career outside of Sean falling into his lap. We shall see what happens.

If Sean goes then I think it might give us an indication of Xavier trying to compete in this era.

College Basketball/Football has gone through monumental change with NIL, transfer portal, soon to be revenue sharing and conference realignments. ( More realignment coming when the ACC implodes down the line). The change of Nil/transfer portal on X basketball has been significant. None of us really know how competitive X can or can't be in this new environment. We just know that the old blueprint X used to success is gone. Sean has been very good at getting guards out of the portal, and am optimistic X can still make the tournament consistently ( I might be wrong on that). I also think the Tournament is going to expand at some point soon. ( I don't want it to, but I think it is inevitable.)

It looks like a high number of players hitting the portal have agents. Having competitive NIL is probably the most important thing right now and I am sure Miller wants that. I think Sean desperately wants a final four. If Sean believes he can get to Final Fours at Xavier, then I think he stays. If he does not believe he has the resources, then I think he goes.

Separately, Sean is represented by super-agent Jimmy Sexton who has a ton of College Football heavy weight coaches. Sexton represented Nick Saban and represents current Texas Football coach Steve Sarkisian. Sexton has relationship with a lot of the Top AD's.

https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/story/sports/college/football/2024/01/12/who-is-jimmy-sexton-clients-kalen-deboer-alabama-nick-saban-replacement-college-football/72205499007/

Reading online that the Texas AD only parts ways with coaches once he has the next coach lined up. If Sean is leaving it has likely been in motion for a little bit. We shall see how it plays out.

[Caveat]

Don’t understand how Texas is desirable. Yes they have money, but zero basketball tradition and will always be second fiddle to football. Miller should be selective. There will be way better jobs than Texas that opens up at some point

You can stop after “Money.”

College basketball is a professional sport now and your ability to compete is directly linked to your ability to pay top talent to come play for your team every single year.

I think people don’t appreciate how this is going to be a yearly process unless and until either Congress steps in or some kind of CBA occurs. Every single year your best player will ask for more money and leave if you can’t meet salary demands. Every single year your top recruits will leave for more playing time so they can put tape out and make more money.

The SEC & the B10 are going to own this generation of college ball because the financial resources for these schools absolutely dwarf even their ACC counterparts — just like in football.

[Strange Brew]

I guess I don’t understand this… who is paying a 12-year-old? Is he repoing a business? If so, who sees a 12-year-old promote a business and say “Hey, I think I’ll spend $$$ at that business because of this 12-year-old!!!”


When NIL first started I thought it was so players could be hired to endorse local car dealerships and restaurants etc. Now schools just get a lot of $$$ from donors to pay players? School with the most funds to pay players gets their pick of the litter?


Is there any chance NIL will get reigned in with a salary cap or a limit like 1 transfer per player in their career?

With Free and Hunter leaving and us probably never seeing a guy play more than 2 years at X again it definitely makes it harder to be invested and interested.

I get that you don’t understand. However it’s real and there is no salary cap. How it’s done is a corporate sponsor (UA, Nike, etc) pays for the gear, tourney fees, etc which happened back in the day as well however the kid (parents) now signs on to the deal for a set amount of time. It’s gross.

A lot of it started with AAU hoops.

[MHettel]

You can stop after “Money.”

College basketball is a professional sport now and your ability to compete is directly linked to your ability to pay top talent to come play for your team every single year.

I think people don’t appreciate how this is going to be a yearly process unless and until either Congress steps in or some kind of CBA occurs. Every single year your best player will ask for more money and leave if you can’t meet salary demands. Every single year your top recruits will leave for more playing time so they can put tape out and make more money.

The SEC & the B10 are going to own this generation of college ball because the financial resources for these schools absolutely dwarf even their ACC counterparts — just like in football.

That’s a bold prediction. Same one that some of us were making 5 years ago. This was sooooo destined.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Sean never seemed comfortable under the pressure of immense expectations. Does he want to be super rich and happy or super duper rich and miserable? Only he can answer that question.

[Caveat]

I guess I don’t understand this… who is paying a 12-year-old? Is he repoing a business? If so, who sees a 12-year-old promote a business and say “Hey, I think I’ll spend $$$ at that business because of this 12-year-old!!!”


When NIL first started I thought it was so players could be hired to endorse local car dealerships and restaurants etc. Now schools just get a lot of $$$ from donors to pay players? School with the most funds to pay players gets their pick of the litter?


Is there any chance NIL will get reigned in with a salary cap or a limit like 1 transfer per player in their career?

With Free and Hunter leaving and us probably never seeing a guy play more than 2 years at X again it definitely makes it harder to be invested and interested.

It’s going to take either a federal law or the players unionizing and some kind of college-wide collective bargaining agreement. Attempting to reign in player transfers or salary would otherwise be an illegal restraint on commerce / the market.

This is going to be the new normal for a while.

And I get it’s frustrating because the media just pretends in these games / coverage that it isn’t happening. You hear talk about how dominant the SEC was and no one chimes in to discuss how much more they’re spending on players than the competition. The media understands that the popularity of the sport would decline if fans became more aware of the disparity in spending + how much these players are making. They want you to still identify with these players as “kids representing their school” when it hasn’t been like this for years. It’s the G-League with no spending rules now. And they know what the ratings are for the G-League.

[Xville]

You can stop after “Money.”

College basketball is a professional sport now and your ability to compete is directly linked to your ability to pay top talent to come play for your team every single year.

I think people don’t appreciate how this is going to be a yearly process unless and until either Congress steps in or some kind of CBA occurs. Every single year your best player will ask for more money and leave if you can’t meet salary demands. Every single year your top recruits will leave for more playing time so they can put tape out and make more money.

The SEC & the B10 are going to own this generation of college ball because the financial resources for these schools absolutely dwarf even their ACC counterparts — just like in football.

My point is that everyone has money in the power 4, and he could go to a basketball rich tradition who also has money. Not like the sec is the only conference with money. Have you watched the rest of the tourney? They aren’t any better than any other conference, just propped up by espn. Texas has zero bb tradition.

Sean can be selective where he goes if he wants to go somewhere m. Texas would be at the bottom of the list.

I really don’t see miller going somewhere where bb is second fiddle. It goes against everything he’s ever said and done

[Strange Brew]

Sean never seemed comfortable under the pressure of immense expectations. Does he want to be super rich and happy or super duper rich and miserable? Only he can answer that question.

And there you have it.

I’d love Sean to stay because “I think” he loves the game (basketball, not the other part of it) and seems to actually what to help the young pros get better.

Or maybe I’m just naive and grew up with excellent coaches who did it for peanuts. :)

[Xavier]

Weird situation because while Texas did fire a coach who went to the sweet 16 and made the tournament all 3 years (granted, steady obvious decline) Texas bball takes a huge back seat to football. I don’t know that the pressure is all that high. Sean can build good enough teams there. He isn’t the fanbase first choice, though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Feel like he did the big school big expectations thing and saw grass isn’t always greener. However, I learned long ago to never say never about XU coaches leaving.

If this is his agent getting this out there to keep pressure on XU for resources and NIL fundraising, I love it. If he actually leaves though, that would be devastating. Ugh.

[bjf123]

If this is his agent getting this out there to keep pressure on XU for resources and NIL fundraising, I love it. If he actually leaves though, that would be devastating. Ugh.

My thoughts exactly.


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[Strange Brew]

My thoughts exactly.


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Yay for agents! :)

[SkyWalker]

Anybody monitoring flights from Cincinnati to Austin?

[xudash]

How about looking at this from the vantage point of hierarchy and gap.

What has been the hierarchy in college basketball for the last - pick any length of time: decade, 30 years, 50 years?

Has Xavier closed the competitive gap since Bill Daley convinced the University’s leadership to get serious about basketball and athletics?

The hierarchy really hasn’t changed much, has it? A small number of true Blue Bloods. Then the larger, more powerful land grant universities. Then the next level of large public schools and better private schools, followed by a sea of Mid and Low Majors.

The competitive gap? We have built a respectable résumé over 40 years, which itself has built a strong fan base. We have a beautiful facility and made it to the Big East.

The portal is something to which you adjust. It’s the new, primary source for attracting the personnel you need. Everyone is stuck with it.

NIL. It’s the damn NIL. It presents a kind of “structural” dilemma for us, insofar as it will keep us from being able to close the “gap“ any further than we have to this point in time. Everyone here understands it and gets it.

However, it doesn’t mean that we cannot still compete at a level where we can make it to the second weekend and possibly still get lucky and make it to the third weekend at some point.

I’m 69 years old - almost. I have lived through Schmidt Memorial Fieldhouse and Tay Baker. I am in the demographic that is frustrated by all of this monumental change to college athletics. Yet, I frankly believe that we will remain on the national stage in the sport. Never say never, but I understand that we will likely not ascend to the level of a Duke. That doesn’t mean we are going away.

As far as Sean Miller is concerned, I do not see him leaving Xavier. But it gets back to what may be the key question, doesn’t it? Does Sean believe he can make it to a F4 from Victory Parkway?

It’s up to our eventual package of compensation resources for our players - NIL, direct payments. We have everything else in place that we need.

This moment has become crazier than sitting around to see whether or not we made this year‘s tournament. Now we get to see whether or not Sean stays, that he keeps the key players we want and need, and that he can move on and build a roster from there.

Tic. Tic. Tic.

[Xavgrad08]

This has played out very strangely as Texas has not officially announced that Terry has been fired. I read an article that the current Texas AD Delconte will not announce the firing until they have the next coach lined up.

Kirk Bohls covers University of Texas for the Houston Chronicle. Here is his tweet from two hours ago. " Delconte hasn't met with Rodney Terry yet, but I expect that to happen by Monday. I think Texas will hire Xavier's Sean Miller because he is a successful, polished veteran coach, has a small relatively small buyout and is a CDC favorite (Texas AD)". I tried linking the quote from Twitter, but was unable.

Take the information with a grain of salt because it looks like although Bohls covers Texas he has been wrong at times in the past on Texas info.

My opinion, if Sean is the guy for Texas, it will be announced by Monday. It seems odd that so many Texas people think it is Miller. It is either very legit or a complete misdirection from the Texas AD and these people don't know anything. I am actually leaning towards these people don't know anything. (Sean could still end up being the guy though). Also, Texas conducting a coaching search while the current guy is "employed" is something.

[Xavier]

That’s apparently how it works with the AD. They fired the football coach in the morning and 3 hours later had Sark. So once Terry is officially let go, expect Texas to make an announcement shortly after.

[SteveSpivery]

I think Miller is a good coach but not a great coach. He is a guard coach but not a big man coach. Freemantle is very good so they had to go to him this year, but last year Miller did nothing to get the big men involved. I understand they were not the greatest, but you still need to get them involved and hopefully develop them. If most guards made a mistake they probably are taken out for a short while. As soon as a big man made a mistake he was out for a long time. The only place they got the ball was at the top of the key beyond the three point line. If I was a big man, I would never play for Miller unless he gave me a boat load of money. If Miller leaves and they get Mack back, it would be a big upgrade.

[Xville]

I think Miller is a good coach but not a great coach. He is a guard coach but not a big man coach. Freemantle is very good so they had to go to him this year, but last year Miller did nothing to get the big men involved. I understand they were not the greatest, but you still need to get them involved and hopefully develop them. If most guards made a mistake they probably are taken out for a short while. As soon as a big man made a mistake he was out for a long time. The only place they got the ball was at the top of the key beyond the three point line. If I was a big man, I would never play for Miller unless he gave me a boat load of money. If Miller leaves and they get Mack back, it would be a big upgrade.

I think this is more the assistants issue than miller imo.

[waggy]

I think Miller is a good coach but not a great coach. He is a guard coach but not a big man coach. Freemantle is very good so they had to go to him this year, but last year Miller did nothing to get the big men involved. I understand they were not the greatest, but you still need to get them involved and hopefully develop them. If most guards made a mistake they probably are taken out for a short while. As soon as a big man made a mistake he was out for a long time. The only place they got the ball was at the top of the key beyond the three point line. If I was a big man, I would never play for Miller unless he gave me a boat load of money. If Miller leaves and they get Mack back, it would be a big upgrade.

This is bullshit. He supported Free shooting 3's. He's going to have to be able to do it at the next level.

Any perceived lack of production from the post comes from a lack of ability. Not some systematic issue Sean has.

[Blue Blooded-05]

If the Texas rumor is true, do we bring Chris Mack back for a few years before he jumps ship for greener (pun intended) pastures?

[Xavier]

If the Texas rumor is true, do we bring Chris Mack back for a few years before he jumps ship for greener (pun intended) pastures?

I think Miller is the better coach, but The program was at its highest with Mack. He has a cockiness and edge the team models after, too. Which I think is important. If it were me, he’d be the first call. And I’d expect him to take the job.

I also don’t really trust Greg to find a better option so I’d put my eggs in the basket we know.

[SteveSpivery]

This is bullshit. He supported Free shooting 3's. He's going to have to be able to do it at the next level.

Any perceived lack of production from the post comes from a lack of ability. Not some systematic issue Sean has.

Yes. I mentioned he supported Free. I do not think Miller made him better though. Free already was good.

If you were a big guy watching the 23-24 team, what was there that would make you want to play for Miller?

[drudy23]

If Miller leaves again after all he’s said, he can F off. Forever. Eliminate his existence at X.

Also, if it happens, the AD needs to go. It would signal zero confidence even though I’d still blame Miller. Basically, if it happens, he would have used the University to get back on track to go somewhere else. He can certainly do that, but the Miller name should be wiped from history at X.

Those saying “he got us back on track” - huh? We’re still floating as a mid tier Big East program. Finish the job. After 3 years after all you said? Hollow and manipulative.

Obviously, I only have these thoughts if he left. Anybody can speculate these days.

[waggy]

Yes. I mentioned he supported Free. I do not think Miller made him better though. Free already was good.

If you were a big guy watching the 23-24 team, what was there that would make you want to play for Miller?

It can't be judged because the #1 post guy got injured.

Stretch bigs are much different than traditional bigs. Guys that can shoot are easier to integrate, and it can be done earlier because of their greater skill set. Guys that don't have that skill are by and large rebounders and rim protectors. There are exceptions, but their aren't alot of them.

[drudy23]

Free was playing the best ball of his career down the stretch this year.

[Xville]

If miller leaves I believe we are fucked only because the hiring is then up to gc who hasn’t hired a good coach his entire career except for the one that fell into his lap. It would also be a clear indication, that x is in serious trouble when it comes to being able to compete in this era

[JEHARDI]

Yes. I mentioned he supported Free. I do not think Miller made him better though. Free already was good.

If you were a big guy watching the 23-24 team, what was there that would make you want to play for Miller?

May want to do a little due diligence prior to posting. Miller had a bunch of high quality bigs at AZ including the #1 and multiple top 5 picks in the NBA draft.

[UCGRAD4X]

Free was playing the best ball of his career down the stretch this year.

I have to agree with this. It's that last game that is leaving a bad taste in the collective mouth of Xavier Nation. And with him went the team in general.

[Xavier]

Seems like a lot more smoke of Sean to Texas. It’s supposedly one of the better jobs in terms of NIL. Almost no school can compete with Texas money. If I were in his shoes, it would be hard to turn down.

But it’s the first time I’d be pretty angry at a Xavier coach that left. He started an “All In” campaign. He came back just to bolt in 3 years? Brutal.

[Xville]

Seems like a lot more smoke of Sean to Texas. It’s supposedly one of the better jobs in terms of NIL. Almost no school can compete with Texas money. If I were in his shoes, it would be hard to turn down.

But it’s the first time I’d be pretty angry at a Xavier coach that left. He started an “All In” campaign. He came back just to bolt in 3 years? Brutal.

If he leaves, my enthusiasm and expectations for x will be extremely low.

I will say though if most of this smoke is from Goodman and broering, I’ll trust that it’s mostly bullshit. Goodman is a complete hack and we should all know by broering is just hunting for clicks and memberships. The guy is mostly scum, not a Xavier fan, and just like he made up the Ohio state nonsense when miller was never seriously considering that job

[Xavier]

I’m basing it off of a Twitter spaces I listen to and how confident the 247 Texas board is about Miller. The meeting with Terry is Monday, so Texas likely has there guy by Tuesday. We will see. I don’t have any inside sources just compiling everything I’ve read lately. Could be complete guesses.

Now the actual posters on Texas board hate the idea of miller and think they can do better.

[Xville]

I’m basing it off of a Twitter spaces I listen to and how confident the 247 Texas board is about Miller. The meeting with Terry is Monday, so Texas likely has there guy by Tuesday. We will see. I don’t have any inside sources just compiling everything I’ve read lately. Could be complete guesses.

Now the actual posters on Texas board hate the idea of miller and think they can do better.

I’m 50/50 on miller but what concerns me is that our admin like gc doesnt have a history of making good decisions with coaches. It’d also signal a serious issue with money.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Miller is a good coach but not a great coach. He is a guard coach but not a big man coach. Freemantle is very good so they had to go to him this year, but last year Miller did nothing to get the big men involved. I understand they were not the greatest, but you still need to get them involved and hopefully develop them. If most guards made a mistake they probably are taken out for a short while. As soon as a big man made a mistake he was out for a long time. The only place they got the ball was at the top of the key beyond the three point line. If I was a big man, I would never play for Miller unless he gave me a boat load of money. If Miller leaves and they get Mack back, it would be a big upgrade.

He had Laurin Markkanen and Deandre Ayton at Arizona among several other big guys who made the NBA.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If the Texas rumor is true, do we bring Chris Mack back for a few years before he jumps ship for greener (pun intended) pastures?

My first two calls (and I am not sure on the order) would be Mack and the Drake head coach.

Not sure who else after that.

[Xavier]

I agree with the Greg part. No trust in his ability to hire. If miller left im not sure id be throwing in the towel until I see who they hire. Think there’s actually some good candidates. Maybe going outside the X family is what’s needed to get back on track?

I think you can build a great team with what X has NIL wise. More difficult but like in the A-10, X has to find the gems and guys that gel together. It’s well within reach with what X spends to still be great, it’s a matter of identifying talent.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Miller is the better coach, but The program was at its highest with Mack. He has a cockiness and edge the team models after, too. Which I think is important. If it were me, he’d be the first call. And I’d expect him to take the job.

I also don’t really trust Greg to find a better option so I’d put my eggs in the basket we know.

My concerns with Mack are it seems well known he has always wanted to retire young and is not a lifer. Although he could work for quite a while longer and still retire young.

Also his daughter now plays volleyball at CoC, so not sure how much that factors in but he is a big family man so I am sure that would be tough. He seems like he fits perfectly into that lifestyle down there.

Although I am sure there would be some pull for his son to come back here and go to St. X and play basketball where he did.

Like I said before, my first 2 calls would be Mack or the Drake coach.

[Xavier]

The Drake coach is going to Iowa I think. He’s intriguing because he was a dominate force at the D2 level. Just don’t really like that style of running clock down and fewer possessions. Trilly mentioned the SF coach (not necessarily for X just that he’s going to be getting looks from big time schools) a disciple from Golden. The Florida coach is a golden guy too….but I know nothing about him or his style of play.

I no longer care about a lifer. Bring in a guy who’s good enough that top 15 schools want him in 3-4 years. Means X is doing great things.

If Miller leaves. But if he stays I’d like nothing more than the All In documentary come out and finish with Sean saying him, conwell, and swain are all in next year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The Drake coach is going to Iowa I think. He’s intriguing because he was a dominate force at the D2 level. Just don’t really like that style of running clock down and fewer possessions. Trilly mentioned the SF coach (not necessarily for X just that he’s going to be getting looks from big time schools) a disciple from Golden. The Florida coach is a golden guy too….but I know nothing about him or his style of play.

I no longer care about a lifer. Bring in a guy who’s good enough that top 15 schools want him in 3-4 years. Means X is doing great things.

If Miller leaves. I’d like nothing more than the All In documentary come out and finish with Sean saying him, conwell, and swain are all in next year.

I didn't mean a lifer as in a coach at X forever. That ship has mostly sailed for X, especially if Miller leaves a second time.

What I meant is, even though he is fairly young still, I don't think anyone knows if Mack wants to coach 3 more years, or 10 more years. I think its safe to say based on past knowledge (although things can change) is it is not more than 10 more years.

[Xville]

I’d love the San Fran coach. He’s an east coach guy so it’s not out of the realm of possibility. Young, has made San Francisco of all places decent and strong d.

I’d fully expect gc though to completely fuck up the hire though. No trust in him

[SkyWalker]

I'm mostly concerned with gc too. While some ADs have an index card with best options, I think he may have the white pages 1990 in his desk drawer.

[Xavier]

You got rothstein tweeting about it now:
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1903861836539121796?s=46&t=KSvFnm-Lpouy3B6BA2rQBg

Granted I’ll never forget he tweeted “Freemantle expected to play today” 3 games after his injury in Sean’s first year back. Freemantle never suited up again.

[Xavgrad08]

You got rothstein tweeting about it now:
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1903861836539121796?s=46&t=KSvFnm-Lpouy3B6BA2rQBg

Granted I’ll never forget he tweeted “Freemantle expected to play today” 3 games after his injury in Sean’s first year back. Freemantle never suited up again.

Ugh, not good.

Houston Chronicle writer Kirk Bohls tweeted two hours ago " Texas Still talking to Sean Millers people about the basketball job, but nothing is done. Chris Del Conte leaves no stone unturned".

The tweet went on to list other unrealistic candidates. Texas people sure are not humble about who they think they can get.

Seems like Sean to Texas is far from finished, but a ton of smoke at this point. Curious what is going on XU's end?

I like Sean a lot and think he is an excellent coach. I hope he stays. If Sean is going to leave then this might be the offseason for it. Mack is still available, and it is going to get exhausting going through the Sean is going to leave every offseason. If Sean does leave will have to have a separate thread of candidates because I just made a list. I hope GC has done the same.

[Xavier]

Sean name is the only one being mentioned as a serious candidate. It’s either him or a complete surprise. I think X is looking for a new coach pretty soon.

[noteggs]

Weird when you read the posts, Texas fans really don’t want Sean. On the other hand, our fan base (primarily) wants him to stay.

[Xavier]

Weird when you read the posts, Texas fans really don’t want Sean. On the other hand, our fan base (primarily) wants him to stay.

They want Self, Billy Donovan, other NBA coaches, Hurley. Completely delusional. Miller isn’t a splash to them though.

[Caveat]

If Miller leaves again after all he’s said, he can F off. Forever. Eliminate his existence at X.

Also, if it happens, the AD needs to go. It would signal zero confidence even though I’d still blame Miller. Basically, if it happens, he would have used the University to get back on track to go somewhere else. He can certainly do that, but the Miller name should be wiped from history at X.

Those saying “he got us back on track” - huh? We’re still floating as a mid tier Big East program. Finish the job. After 3 years after all you said? Hollow and manipulative.

Obviously, I only have these thoughts if he left. Anybody can speculate these days.

He came back as the sport was shifting under everyone’s feet.

In a different world I don’t doubt that he is sincere in his desire to stay at X for the rest of his career? Now, his ability to compete for titles is hamstrung by the massive financial disparity between Xavier and the SEC/B1G schools. It’s only going to get worse from here.

I don’t blame him at all, TBH. He’s a competitor and Xavier isn’t as competitive of a job as it was 3 years ago.

[drudy23]

He came back as the sport was shifting under everyone’s feet.

In a different world I don’t doubt that he is sincere in his desire to stay at X for the rest of his career? Now, his ability to compete for titles is hamstrung by the massive financial disparity between Xavier and the SEC/B1G schools. It’s only going to get worse from here.

I don’t blame him at all, TBH. He’s a competitor and Xavier isn’t as competitive of a job as it was 3 years ago.

Let's stop acting like he wasn't aware of where the future of college basketball was headed when he took the job. That's a major cop-out.

We all knew on this board what it would turn into and we all knew (and still know) it will be more difficult at a place like X.

[bjf123]

They want Self, Billy Donovan, other NBA coaches, Hurley. Completely delusional. Miller isn’t a splash to them though.

Sean’s name is going to come up every time for any top job. We just need to accept that. He’s not going to come out and say he’s not interested or he loses any leverage with X regarding his contract, asst. coaches, etc.


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[JEHARDI]

Do not see Sean leaving but if he does, it is because he knows, he will never have the resources he will need to compete for a championship. It would be a sad day, because realistically, it would not matter who the next coach is, our odds of getting to a FF would be slimmer than ever.

[xuphan]

Do not see Sean leaving but if he does, it is because he knows, he will never have the resources he will need to compete for a championship. It would be a sad day, because realistically, it would not matter who the next coach is, our odds of getting to a FF would be slimmer than ever.

Not seeing any planes departing Lunken and heading to Austin at this time. Will keep an eye out over the next couple of days.

[OTRMUSKIE]

If Sean leaves for Texas then it’s because he got a divorce . His wife made it clear she will not move again. So he either leaves her or he commutes bc she isn’t moving. So Sean isn’t going anywhere and if he does I would put him up there with the greatest dbags in college hoops history. That’s a long list too.

[MHettel]

Let's stop acting like he wasn't aware of where the future of college basketball was headed when he took the job. That's a major cop-out.

We all knew on this board what it would turn into and we all knew (and still know) it will be more difficult at a place like X.

MANY people on this board had their head in the sand.

[FishingXfan]

Im hoping Sean is here for the foreseeable future, as I believe he is the guy to take us to a final four and beyond. Even with our slight in Nil, 2 out of the past 3 seasons he was missing a starting big on both teams. With Free in the Swt 16 run that team was final 4 good. This season we were a missing Trajore, which his skill set was exactly what this team needed to be Sweet 16 good, and possibly beyond.

If he were to leave, I’d have to think your first call would be to Mack, and see if he would like to come home and finish his career at his Alma mater and take us to many final 4’s over the next 20 years. Only question is, has he dealt with a lot of NIL yet? Also, would X look to him? I think they would follow suit with what they did with Sean.

I wonder what thoughts have came to Chris Mack’s mind this weekend about the X job and Sean and Texas. You know people have text him and told him. Hmmmmm. Still want Sean for continuity but Mack would be the obvious choice and fast to me.


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[SkyWalker]

If Sean leaves for Texas then it’s because he got a divorce . His wife made it clear she will not move again. So he either leaves her or he commutes bc she isn’t moving. So Sean isn’t going anywhere and if he does I would put him up there with the greatest dbags in college hoops history. That’s a long list too.

So your saying he could go to UC.:jawdrop:

[muskieindent]

If Sean leaves for Texas then it’s because he got a divorce . His wife made it clear she will not move again. So he either leaves her or he commutes bc she isn’t moving. So Sean isn’t going anywhere and if he does I would put him up there with the greatest dbags in college hoops history. That’s a long list too.
I’m with you on that as would be most X fans. I understood taking the Arizona job but once he same back here I figured it was because he wanted to be here for good.I think his wife will be the deciding factor on this and I don’t think she wants to move again .

[Lloyd Braun]

Carpetbagger dbag if true.

[MHettel]

If Sean leaves for Texas then it’s because he got a divorce . His wife made it clear she will not move again. So he either leaves her or he commutes bc she isn’t moving. So Sean isn’t going anywhere and if he does I would put him up there with the greatest dbags in college hoops history. That’s a long list too.

I like this perspective. But I also understand the idea that he can’t say he’s not interested because it reduces his leverage with X.

However, can both of these things co-exist? If it’s widely known that his wife won’t move, then he can’t play the card to get leverage so it really just a bluff but his hand is shown.

In that case, just publicly say you aren’t interested and it eliminates any uncertainty for the current or future players. Or even NIL money that might be contingent on him being here. I could see some big money donors hesitating to drop a bunch of cash into a rebuild.

[OTRMUSKIE]

https://x.com/cedgolden/status/1903880588337004862?s=46

[hoopster68]

https://x.com/cedgolden/status/1903880588337004862?s=46

So sad. Reality hits the X program right between the eyes: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Dear Sean,

You’re welcome for giving you both your first and second chance. Good luck. There won’t be a third.

- Xavier Nation

[Caveat]

https://x.com/cedgolden/status/1903880588337004862?s=46

Tough day.

Let's get Chris Mack on the phone and run it back.

[MHettel]

Frankly the only hope at this point is that we get some NIL rules in place ASAP. By that, I mean some hard Cap across the NCAA that teams can spend on ALL sports. That could but the Football schools in an arms race to buy their roster and Bball becomes kinda backseat for NIL dollars. XU would have no such dilemmas to deal with. That’s kinda the Hail Mary situation.

[xudash]

Has anyone called the Lexus dealership in Austin to substantiate all of this?

[Caveat]

Let's stop acting like he wasn't aware of where the future of college basketball was headed when he took the job. That's a major cop-out.

We all knew on this board what it would turn into and we all knew (and still know) it will be more difficult at a place like X.

We knew that NIL / paying players would change the landscape but there was some healthy optimism that schools like Xavier could compete because they didn't have football programs to feed as well.

It's become incredibly apparent that the B1G/SEC are going to find the money to build hoops powerhouses that dominate their competition. This is the worst case scenario for schools in the BE, ACC and even the B12 to a certain extent. The financial realities are going to be impossible to deal with unless / until there is some kind of competitive balancing guardrails placed on things.

I'm upset Miller is leaving, but I absolutely understand it. It's all about money now -- the sport resembles international soccer more than anything else we have currently. The big boys eat while everyone else struggles to survive.

[Caveat]

Frankly the only hope at this point is that we get some NIL rules in place ASAP. By that, I mean some hard Cap across the NCAA that teams can spend on ALL sports. That could but the Football schools in an arms race to buy their roster and Bball becomes kinda backseat for NIL dollars. XU would have no such dilemmas to deal with. That’s kinda the Hail Mary situation.

Start advocating heavily for athlete unionization -- the only way you're realistically going to see something happen is if there's a CBA reached between athletes and the schools.

[Muskie in dayton]

Small schools need to break away from the NCAA and form a new, truly amateur athletic organization. It’s harder for X to compete in the NIL world than it is for the Reds to compete in MLB.

[xu82]

Start advocating heavily for athlete unionization -- the only way you're realistically going to see something happen is if there's a CBA reached between athletes and the schools.


…..or, we can just stop caring until they no longer have all that money to throw around. That’s how I’m leaning.

[OTRMUSKIE]

It’s still not official but what a POS. X gives you 2 chances in life and this is how you treat them? No excuses just pure douchebaggery and if true he can rot in hell. What a an awful human being, if this is true. Bring back Mack. No way he would fuck us over twice like Mr. Lexus did would he?

[Caveat]

Small schools need to break away from the NCAA and form a new, truly amateur athletic organization. It’s harder for X to compete in the NIL world than it is for the Reds to compete in MLB.

Honestly, I'm wondering at what point Ohio State and Texas realize that letting their best players go to the NFL / NBA every year is a bad idea.

[KabeX]

It's not a Lexus this time ...
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/40/2f/a5402fc62a93407b619b4fd866529b5b.jpg

[Xville]

Fuck Sean miller. Sorriest piece of him man excrement known to man. Seriously fuck him

[XUBand]

Honestly tells you something about the man’s character. What a flaming piece of shit. Can’t believe I cut work early 3 years ago to be in person for his presser. Fuck him.

[Xavier]

Man I’d love a matchup against him. No one more hated.

[KabeX]

I don't know I'm just getting really apathetic about all this. The NIL thing is out of control. There are no rules and no way we can be thinking about Final 4s with such an unlevel playing field. It's not college sports anymore. It's pro baseball on the hardwood. I'd love to think that the underdog can do it but it's just not going to happen in this era. It's sad. I'll still root hard for our boys and still support the program but really, who are we kidding?

[FishingXfan]

Hire Chris Mack. It’s the easiest decision. X gave him his first chance at coaching, played here, grew up here. Now I believe he’s coming home.


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[Xville]

This shows the man’s true character. He’s a piece of shit. Fuck him. He cheated his ass off, left us twice. Seriously, fuck him

[Caveat]

Honestly tells you something about the man’s character. What a flaming piece of shit. Can’t believe I cut work early 3 years ago to be in person for his presser. Fuck him.

It's a job to these people. 99.9% of the population would put in their two weeks in an instant if they could improve their pay and working conditions.

It simply is what it is.

[MHettel]

I don't know I'm just getting really apathetic about all this. The NIL thing is out of control. There are no rules and no way we can be thinking about Final 4s with such an unlevel playing field. It's not college sports anymore. It's pro baseball on the hardwood. I'd love to think that the underdog can do it but it's just not going to happen in this era. It's sad. I'll still root hard for our boys and still support the program but really, who are we kidding?

The storm cloud was on the horizon. Some of us saw it coming. Some just decided not to see it. It’s those people that are now surprised by the destruction.

Nothing could be done to stop it. I’m not saying that. But some of us are far less surprised than others.

[drudy23]

This shows the man’s true character. He’s a piece of shit. Fuck him. He cheated his ass off, left us twice. Seriously, fuck him

Agree 1 million percent.

What a joke.

And you know he's gonna tell the world all over again how special Xavier is to him.

[drudy23]

The storm cloud was on the horizon. Some of us saw it coming. Some just decided not to see it. It’s those people that are now surprised by the destruction.

Nothing could be done to stop it. I’m not saying that. But some of us a far less surprised than others.

I saw it all coming, and am still surprised.

Miller is a completely fake and corrupt fraud of a human. Dog shit.

[XU 23]

Hire Chris Mack. It’s the easiest decision. X gave him his first chance at coaching, played here, grew up here. Now I believe he’s coming home.


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Bring back Mack!

[GoMuskies]

We got in bed with a snake and got bitten. Huge shock. Guy left us, failed miserably and embarrassed himself at Arizona, came back to Xavier acting like his shit doesn't stink, led us to some VERY modest success and bails again.

He's a piece of shit as well as an overrated coach. We should have hired Kelsey three years ago.

[Caveat]

I wonder if Miller coached that game in Dayton knowing already he was going to be on the other team next year.

[XU 23]

How does Villanova keep Jay Wright for as long as they do and we can’t seem to keep anyone?

[BillikenMusketeer]

What’s the point of contracts and contract extensions? Didn’t he extend to 2028-2029? Why sign a contract if it’s meaningless? Everyone is a one year rental

[OTRMUSKIE]

No more of this all of us would do that bs. No we wouldn’t. Yes if someone else would offer me more money I take it. But if I got fired and my old employer gave me my job back then I would show loyalty. Miller is the biggest fraud ever!! Rot in hell. Look forward to watching you fail at Texas.

[murray87]

It's a job to these people. 99.9% of the population would put in their two weeks in an instant if they could improve their pay and working conditions.

It simply is what it is.

At this point I don’t think it’s so much about his salary but the resources that the mega conferences have

[Xville]

Miller is overrated as hell, and a snake. He belongs in hell, fuck him and his wife is ugly

[OTRMUSKIE]

Sounds like it will be Luke Murray

[FishingXfan]

I had a gut feeling the moment I saw Texas against us. I remembered a couple years ago. Dang. Hire Mack please and NOW!!! Keep Swain and Conwell and bring who you like from your former team please.


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[GoMuskies]

I personally have no interest in bringing back Chris Mack. Luke Murray would get us some Bill Murray appearances. Yay

[xukeith]

Will Mack bring Lazar?

Sean probably will reach his first Final Four with Texas. His hands are tied and resources are limited at X.

[Xville]

I personally have no interest in bringing back Chris Mack. Luke Murray would get us some Bill Murray appearances. Yay

I have no interest in Mack. Stop going back to the well. Plus, he’s also a piece of shit. Bring me someone young and hungry as hell. I’ll take a pat kelsey type any day of the week. And give me someone with some fucking integrity please.

[Xville]

Will Mack bring Lazar?

Sean probably will reach his first Final Four with Texas. His hands are tied and resources are limited at X.

No he won’t. He couldn’t do it for over a decade at Arizona with nba lottery picks all over the court. The guy is overrated.

[Caveat]

Sounds like it will be Luke Murray

Honestly wouldn't hate this if true.

[GoMuskies]

Will Mack bring Lazar?

Sean probably will reach his first Final Four with Texas. His hands are tied and resources are limited at X.

Sean Miller will never attend the Final Four without a ticket.

[drudy23]

I have no interest in Mack. Stop going back to the well. Plus, he’s also a piece of shit. Bring me someone young and hungry as hell. I’ll take a pat kelsey type any day of the week. And give me someone with some fucking integrity please.

No re-treads. Everyone has to go.

In fact, use it as an opportunity to get a new AD with fresh ideas as well. If it has to be a re-build, then start fresh with a new plan moving forward.

[GoMuskies]

Greg can keep being the university's VP for Institutional Strategy or whatever made up job he has in addition to AD.

[FishingXfan]

Okay, now I like the Luke Murray idea. I mean hope he stays more than 4 years but yeah I can see that.


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[XUBand]

Why do you think jay wright quit coaching?

[GoMuskies]

Okay, now I like the Luke Murray idea. I mean hope he stays more than 4 years but yeah I can see that.


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Hell, if he comes i hope he's so good that he only stays for one or two years.

[xubrew]

We got in bed with a snake and got bitten. Huge shock. Guy left us, failed miserably and embarrassed himself at Arizona, came back to Xavier acting like his shit doesn't stink, led us to some VERY modest success and bails again.

He's a piece of shit as well as an overrated coach. We should have hired Kelsey three years ago.

Yeah, this was pretty much my feeling when we hired him. The only reason he didn’t leave last season is because we had a losing record and no one was interested. Had X won 24 games and made the tournament last year he wouldn’t have been there this year. The only reason he came here is because no other brand name school wanted him. My feelings about him are well document. I am neither surprised nor sad.

[Caveat]

Okay, now I like the Luke Murray idea. I mean hope he stays more than 4 years but yeah I can see that.


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Get his old man to start an NIL fund among all his Hollywood buddies to buy Luke a team.

[FishingXfan]

I won’t ever stop cheering for my boys. But hopefully my Bengals are gonna bounce back this year. I hope X is competitive next year, but it’s possible it could like Butler season this year. Hope not.


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[XUBand]

Hope he gets gored by a freaking longhorn.

[xu82]

How does Villanova keep Jay Wright for as long as they do and we can’t seem to keep anyone?

Those were different times, and he retired rather than live in this gutter. I don’t blame him.

[xudash]

Get his old man to start an NIL fund among all his Hollywood buddies to buy Luke a team.

This is a remarkably good and somewhat comical idea.

[Caveat]

This is a remarkably good and somewhat comical idea.

Bill could legit agree to one Netflix / AppleTV series and probably make enough to buy a F4 level team.

[xukeith]

No he won’t. He couldn’t do it for over a decade at Arizona with nba lottery picks all over the court. The guy is overrated.

I know many X fans are upset but what did you think was going to happen? Miller wasn't staying here for 10-20 years.

[bjf123]

I know many X fans are upset but what did you think was going to happen? Miller wasn't staying here for 10-20 years.

True. I did think he’d be here more than 3.


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[FishingXfan]

Okay X has got to move. NOW… No way GC didn’t hear all the smoke the last few days and talk to Sean. Regardless if he talked to Sean he heard the smoke. I know I did. I did the moment I saw Texas on our bracket. So you would have hoped he has spent some of the past week pondering this outcome. Here we are. Strike a good coach fast, and with nil, we could be back in the tournament next year. Maybe.


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[chico]

Sean Miller has no integrity.

[JEHARDI]

Nova has much deeper pockets. Williard will be announced as the new Nova coach as soon as MD loses.

[KabeX]

Those were different times, and he retired rather than live in this gutter. I don’t blame him.

Correct. IDK who the new coach will be. I am no expert but give me someone who is hungry .. starving to win and prove himself. Is that Mack? Does he even want to leave Charleston, it's nice climate and nice fishing? Murray? Maybe. Young and hungry and apparently an offense wizard. The real problem I'm, having is I'm starting to really not care anymore. Like many here, I've been a hoops junkie since I could walk. But I'm starting to really not give a crap anymore. There is no level playing field. This is essentially baseball on the hardwood. Does anyone thing the Reds have any real shot at a championship?

I'll still support the team but dreams of a Final 4 are pretty much toast until the NIL situation gets unfu$ked.

[SkyWalker]

Sounds like it will be Luke Murray

Honestly, this sounds like a reasonable choice. Problem is, when Hurley leaves UConn, Murray would leave X. How about we hire High Point's coach and go back to the A-10 where we can compete with team with similar budgets to us.

[drudy23]

Okay X has got to move. NOW… No way GC didn’t hear all the smoke the last few days and talk to Sean. Regardless if he talked to Sean he heard the smoke. I know I did. I did the moment I saw Texas on our bracket. So you would have hoped he has spent some of the past week pondering this outcome. Here we are. Strike a good coach fast, and with nil, we could be back in the tournament next year. Maybe.


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Not sure you understand what's about to happen here. Roster and recruits will be gutted.

X doesn't have the NIL funds to build an entire roster, and this news will likely result in a drastic decrease in confirmation of those funds. These donors are likely pulling back their commitments as we speak.

We don't have a coach. Recruiting the portal has already started. It's going to be very ugly.

[xubrew]

Sean Miller has no integrity.

We knew this three years ago, but yet X still hired him.

[LOLmickcronin]

Correct. IDK who the new coach will be. I am no expert but give me someone who is hungry .. starving to win and prove himself. Is that Mack? Does he even want to leave Charleston, it's nice climate and nice fishing? Murray? Maybe. Young and hungry and apparently an offense wizard. The real problem I'm, having is I'm starting to really not care anymore. Like many here, I've been a hoops junkie since I could walk. But I'm starting to really not give a crap anymore. There is no level playing field. This is essentially baseball on the hardwood. Does anyone thing the Reds have any real shot at a championship?

I'll still support the team but dreams of a Final 4 are pretty much toast until the NIL situation gets unfu$ked.

So true. You already don’t get to know players and really root for them due to NIL and the portal, now we’re clearly well on our way to the big ten/sec/acc/big 12 becoming a league and the rest becoming a glorified division two.

I almost wish we could just skip to that so it’s fun again even if we know we’re not the top division anymore.

[JEHARDI]

Have to believe Miller has been having conversations with the administration and boosters, sharing what he needs to compete and unfortunately the resources are not there. The reality is we have a mid major budget and will to get extremely lucky to make a FF. Sad reality of what the game has become.

[sirthought]

Texas has more SEC media dollars (huge amounts more) and larger alumni and business base to generate NIL funds. Coaches want to coach and worry less about that shit.

I actually thought after what happened at Arizona he might have been resigned to staying with a comfortable situation where people wanted him around. But just trying to do the day to day stuff in the Big East is going to be more challenging if you can't recruit better players. It might happen that we see UCON jump to Big 12, and Big East schools will have to face the music of being more like MAC programs. You can't justify spending money that isn't there at this size.

It was hard to argue with Mack as coach because his teams won a fair amount. He seemed to inspire in ways that Steele couldn't (although Steele might have been Mack's best recruiter). But his defenses were always pretty shitty. We'd always hit a wall with more athletic teams. I feel like he'd be fine, but honestly I'm not sure that the barriers wouldn't be any different than Miller was facing.

Ideally we find a guy who has fresh ideas for recruiting in this new world order.

[Section 200]

Not sure you understand what's about to happen here. Roster and recruits will be gutted.

X doesn't have the NIL funds to build an entire roster, and this news will likely result in a drastic decrease in confirmation of those funds. These donors are likely pulling back their commitments as we speak.

We don't have a coach. Recruiting the portal has already started. It's going to be very ugly.

We obviously have the NIL funds to build a rooster - we have team this year so why wouldn't we have a team next year? If anything, this will allow the new coach to recruit his players quickly as long as we hire quickly. Hopefully we can water down the non-conference to allow the team to gel.

[hoopster68]

Mark Schmudt (sp?) at St. Bonnies?

[bjf123]

I asked a friend who seems to know things and he thinks this was all done weeks ago. Sean will be taking Swain and the top two incoming recruits with him.


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[drudy23]

We obviously have the NIL funds to build a rooster - we have team this year so why wouldn't we have a team next year? If anything, this will allow the new coach to recruit his players quickly as long as we hire quickly. Hopefully we can water down the non-conference to allow the team to gel.

You're going to be starting from scratch. You don't have 4-5 holes to fill, you have 12. So you either recruit 2-3 big dogs, and have no depth, or are unable to land any big dogs and your whole roster is pedestrian.

As with the NIL discussion in general, there are alot of people with their heads in the sand.

You also can't assume we have $4M+ to play with anymore. I'm sure much of that was the faith those rich guys had in Sean Miller as a coach that could get us there. Those donors aren't just going to hand over millions for a pipedream. Be real.

[drudy23]

Mark Schmudt (sp?) at St. Bonnies?

No retreads.

New identity is needed for survival.

[Xavier]

We have closer to 5 mil in NIL. I actually think it’s possible it goes up with a new coach. Donors will be asked annd some will comply to give more to get the new coach everything possible to be successful right away. And you can do a rebuild now and be successful immediately. I think X will be fine depending on the coach.

[Caveat]

You're going to be starting from scratch. You don't have 4-5 holes to fill, you have 12. So you either recruit 2-3 big dogs, and have no depth, or are unable to land any big dogs and your whole roster is pedestrian.

As with the NIL discussion in general, there are alot of people with their heads in the sand.

You also can't assume we have $4M+ to play with anymore. I'm sure much of that was the faith those rich guys had in Sean Miller as a coach that could get us there. Those donors aren't just going to hand over millions for a pipedream. Be real.

Yeah 2025-2026 is going to be an absolute dumpster fire.

You hopefully get a coach who can get his situation sorted and be ready to hit 2026-2027 running.

[bjf123]

Wish I shared your optimism. I’m thinking we’ll be battling DePaul and Butler to stay out of the Big East basement.


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[drudy23]

We have closer to 5 mil in NIL. I actually think it’s possible it goes up with a new coach. Donors will be asked annd some will comply to give more to get the new coach everything possible to be successful right away. And you can do a rebuild now and be successful immediately. I think X will be fine depending on the coach.

I don't think this is going to be the sentiment this time.

And you also can't assume that pledged NIL money is still going to be there at the $4M clip.

[sirthought]

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[XU 23]

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[nickgyp]

Miller leaving is a huge disappointment. Everyone knows the story of the prodigal son but in the original version, the prodigal son stays reformed and doesn’t sell out to the next highest bidder. The college athletic arms race has existed for years. The recent acceleration has only exacerbated a bad situation. It is one that Xavier cannot possible win. Quite honestly, the quasi-amateur nature of college athletics has always worked against schools like Xavier. Supporting losing efforts to keep up in a race that cannot be won is of no interest to me. Let the “haves” go there own way and make all the money can and be happy with championships bought. Let Xavier return to real rivalries in competitions that can be entertaining without breaking anyone’s bank.

Enough of the phony bullshit that big-time college athletics has become. The price isn’t worth it.

[drudy23]

Miller leaving is a huge disappointment. Everyone knows the story of the prodigal son but in the original version, the prodigal son stays reformed and doesn’t sell out to the next highest bidder. The college athletic arms race has existed for years. The recent acceleration has only exacerbated a bad situation. It is one that Xavier cannot possible win. Quite honestly, the quasi-amateur nature of college athletics has always worked against schools like Xavier. Supporting losing efforts to keep up in a race that cannot be won is of no interest to me. Let the “haves” go there own way and make all the money can and be happy with championships bought. Let Xavier return to real rivalries in competitions that can be entertaining without breaking anyone’s bank.

Enough of the phony bullshit that big-time college athletics has become. The price isn’t worth it.

I agree with you, but I have no interest in X if it means we're in the minor leagues.

[nickgyp]

I agree with you, but I have no interest in X if it means we're in the minor leagues.
Drudy:

Understand your point but years ago, I followed Xavier athletics when competition against Miami, Dayton and UC was a great experience. Minor league. Certainly, compared to OSU vs. Michigan or Notre Dame vs. USC, it wasn’t what you would call big-time. Al McGuire’s Marquette teams at Schmidt (throw in Dick Vitale’s Detroit Titans as well) were vastly entertaining. Dean Meminger and Spencer Haywood were special players. Not everyone had to be Lew Alcindor,

Was it lesser athleticism? Perhaps. But it was a good way to enjoy Xavier athletics.

[drudy23]

Drudy:

Understand your point but years ago, I followed Xavier athletics when competition against Miami, Dayton and UC was a great experience. Minor league. Certainly, compared to OSU vs. Michigan or Notre Dame vs. USC, it wasn’t what you would call big-time. Al McGuire’s Marquette teams at Schmidt (throw in Dick Vitale’s Detroit Titans as well) were vastly entertaining. Dean Meminger and Spencer Haywood were special players. Not everyone had to be Lew Alcindor,

Was it lesser athleticism? Perhaps. But it was a good way to enjoy Xavier athletics.

But back then, we weren't very good either as compared to the big dogs. We got there.

And to go back? Also, with so much investment in the university and basketball, going back doesn't pay the bills. It would cripple them financially.

[Xavier]

Rumor circulating now that it isn’t a done deal. Texas insider said there’s issues with commitment level toward NIL that kept the first tier of coaches away. Sean wasn’t the first choice. And X is pushing back on it being done.

With all the reporting, I’d say it probably is. Just…..might not be.

[GoMuskies]

Rumor circulating now that it isn’t a done deal. Texas insider said there’s issues with commitment level toward NIL that kept the first tier of coaches away. Sean wasn’t the first choice. And X is pushing back on it being done.

With all the reporting, I’d say it probably is. Just…..might not be.

Maybe Miller will do his first Texas press conference from Cintas to just bring it all full circle.

[Section 200]

Maybe Miller will do his first Texas press conference from Cintas to just bring it all full circle.
As long as we charge a high fee it’s ok with me.

[drudy23]

Rumor circulating now that it isn’t a done deal. Texas insider said there’s issues with commitment level toward NIL that kept the first tier of coaches away. Sean wasn’t the first choice. And X is pushing back on it being done.

With all the reporting, I’d say it probably is. Just…..might not be.

Even if it's true, the damage is done. How do you move forward after that?

[drudy23]

Maybe Miller will do his first Texas press conference from Cintas to just bring it all full circle.

Our current admins will probably offer it.

[GoMuskies]

Even if it's true, the damage is done. How do you move forward after that?

Yeah, I hope he's gone at this point.

[Xavier]

I’d bet good money it’s done. And fox19 already reporting mutual interest with Mack and X

[waggy]

maybe miller will do his first texas press conference from cintas to just bring it all full circle.

lol

[Xavier]

Absolutely nothing from Paul is interesting. All the reports of Sean taking the job is from a journalist in Texas. Again, prolly still true. But you’d expect some of Xavier’s social media would say something, or either of the universities.

[XUBand]

Absolutely nothing from Paul is interesting. All the reports of Sean taking the job is from a journalist in Texas. Again, prolly still true. But you’d expect some of Xavier’s social media would say something, or either of the universities.

Unless Xavier social media teams are following him to Texas.

[bjf123]

If it’s true, X certainly isn’t going to officially break the story. The only one who can officially say it’s not true is Sean. Two possibilities. One, it’s a done deal and everyone is staying quiet. Two, there is an offer from Texas, but Sean hasn’t signed it and is trying to negotiate for more from X. I think NIL money is the issue and we just can’t compete unless the phones of all the wealthy X alumni are ringing off the hook asking for big buck commitments today (doubtful). We don’t have enough multi millionaire / billionaire support.


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[xukeith]

What is Miller's buyout?

[Section 200]

Unless Xavier social media teams are following him to Texas.

Paul about to get paid! Will they take Rick Broeing too?

[Caveat]

If it’s true, X certainly isn’t going to officially break the story. The only one who can officially say it’s not true is Sean. Two possibilities. One, it’s a done deal and everyone is staying quiet. Two, there is an offer from Texas, but Sean hasn’t signed it and is trying to negotiate for more from X. I think NIL money is the issue and we just can’t compete unless the phones of all the wealthy X alumni are ringing off the hook asking for big buck commitments today (doubtful). We don’t have enough multi millionaire / billionaire support.


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At this point it’ll be Texas making the “official” announcement.

The leaks to the media are already done.

[XUBand]

Paul about to get paid! Will they take Rick Broeing too?

I hope so. Can’t stand either of them to be honest. Bring back Shannon.

[A Fan]

Even if it's true, the damage is done. How do you move forward after that?

Many of you are optimistic that Xavier can hire a new coach and be at the top of the Big East. If Sean Miller’s leaves for Texas he likely concluded that Xavier lacks the NIL resources necessary to compete at that level and make deep NCAA Tournament runs.

If true, this move sends a clear message to any potential new hire: the financial backing needed to build and sustain an elite roster simply isn’t there. Miller knows the program inside and out, and if he didn’t see a viable path forward in the current NIL landscape, why would another top-tier coach? His exit signals that Xavier’s ceiling may be lower than many hoped, making the next hire even more challenging. And if Miller guts the roster the next two years start a new era of rebuilding.

[Section 200]

Many of you are optimistic that Xavier can hire a new coach and be at the top of the Big East. If Sean Miller’s leaves for Texas he likely concluded that Xavier lacks the NIL resources necessary to compete at that level and make deep NCAA Tournament runs.

If true, this move sends a clear message to any potential new hire: the financial backing needed to build and sustain an elite roster simply isn’t there. Miller knows the program inside and out, and if he didn’t see a viable path forward in the current NIL landscape, why would another top-tier coach? His exit signals that Xavier’s ceiling may be lower than many hoped, making the next hire even more challenging. And if Miller guts the roster the next two years start a new era of rebuilding.

Sure except that any coach we hire will get a lot more $$$ at Xavier than at his current school. Texas has more money than Xavier - absolutely true. But Xavier has tons more money than Charleston or Akron or fill in the blank school that our new coach comes from.

[Section 200]

What is Miller's buyout?

Rumor is $2M

[FishingXfan]

We obviously have the NIL funds to build a rooster - we have team this year so why wouldn't we have a team next year? If anything, this will allow the new coach to recruit his players quickly as long as we hire quickly. Hopefully we can water down the non-conference to allow the team to gel.

I agree, and let’s be honest here, both years Sean took us to the tournament we lost 1 of our best big men both seasons. So I still feel we can compete. IMO. It might take a down year next year who knows we will see


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[XUBand]

Rumor is $2M

If so that’s laughable. Greg Christopher is a fucking joke along with MORE XAVIER HANYCZ

[Section 200]

If so that’s laughable. Greg Christopher is a fucking joke along with MORE XAVIER HANYCZ

What buyout would you expect?

[Xavier]

I think Greg put All his eggs in Sean. Miller was deep in convo with south Carolina at the time. A lot of pressure to get X back, and donors wanted Miller. If it’s something he needed to do to get Sean to sign, I don’t have an issue with it.

[BillikenMusketeer]

What buyout would you expect?

Didn’t he sign an extension until ‘28/29? $2M buyout after signing an extension and not even coming close to the end of terms would be some of the worst negotiating of all time

[FishingXfan]

Didn’t he sign an extension until ‘28/29? $2M buyout after signing an extension and not even coming close to the end of terms would be some of the worst negotiating of all time

Yeah I just read on a Texan message board that the buyout on Sean Miller is peanuts compared to firing Terry early. They all are laughing and making fun of there program for hiring Sean if true. They can’t stand the choice. They think they are better than ole Sean Miller


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[Section 200]

Yeah I just read on a Texan message board that the buyout on Sean Miller is peanuts compared to firing Terry early. They all are laughing and making fun of there program for hiring Sean if true. They can’t stand the choice. They think they are better than ole Sean Miller


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Sean certainly will not be loved in Austin unless he goes undefeated, but he will have lots of cash to make him feel better

[FishingXfan]

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[XUBand]

Didn’t he sign an extension until ‘28/29? $2M buyout after signing an extension and not even coming close to the end of terms would be some of the worst negotiating of all time

Exactly. Dude had 4+ years of contract left. $2M is NOTHING.

[paulxu]

The last pretty many years have been interesting around here.

Matta is great! Beak Nose is gone
Miller is great! Racoon Face is gone
Mack is great! Traitor was gone while coaching last game
Miller is Back! Great! He's a traitor and gone again.
Bring Back Mack!

I'm dizzy. Wish it had been a giant buyout we could have used for NIL.
I'm possibly getting too old for this.

[xubrew]

The last pretty many years have been interesting around here.

Matta is great! Beak Nose is gone
Miller is great! Racoon Face is gone
Mack is great! Traitor was gone while coaching last game
Miller is Back! Great! He's a traitor and gone again.
Bring Back Mack!

I'm dizzy. Wish it had been a giant buyout we could have used for NIL.
I'm possibly getting too old for this.

This is both comical and accurate!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Rumor now is he isn’t gone and that he is using this as leverage. Both schools arnt confirming anything yet which might just be bc they have to work out the details. If Sean does come back then I have always knew he was loyal to the soil!

[XUBand]

The last pretty many years have been interesting around here.

Matta is great! Beak Nose is gone
Miller is great! Racoon Face is gone
Mack is great! Traitor was gone while coaching last game
Miller is Back! Great! He's a traitor and gone again.
Bring Back Mack!

I'm dizzy. Wish it had been a giant buyout we could have used for NIL.
I'm possibly getting too old for this.

The issue is that Miller has now shown that he truly is a fucking sleaze and 100% should have been in jail for paying Ayton. Not Book Richardson. Mack has the chance for a TRUE redemption arc.

[LOLmickcronin]

Rumor now is he isn’t gone and that he is using this as leverage. Both schools arnt confirming anything yet which might just be bc they have to work out the details. If Sean does come back then I have always knew he was loyal to the soil!

I was thinking the same lol. Fuck Sean! Unless he stays then #allin coach!

[xuphan]

Rumor now is he isnÂ’t gone and that he is using this as leverage. Both schools arnt confirming anything yet which might just be bc they have to work out the details. If Sean does come back then I have always knew he was loyal to the soil!

It is being widely reported though not confirmed that he had accepted the job. I canÂ’t imagine the sources are wrong and it would be a big U turn if he stays at X.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Rumor now is he isn’t gone and that he is using this as leverage. Both schools arnt confirming anything yet which might just be bc they have to work out the details. If Sean does come back then I have always knew he was loyal to the soil!

Don’t do this to me.

I do find it strange how much he always talked up Xavier as “a special place” after he left the first time. Not just in the first couple years. He kept doing it for years. Then he comes back and bolts again after only 3 years? WTF Sean.

Then again, maybe we’ll be the beneficiary of him changing his mind overnight this time.

[GoMuskies]

I hope he tries to come back but we have some contractual reason to terminate him for cause.

[Section 200]

Maybe Texas got Pitino and Sean is negotiating with St. John’s. Odd that it isn’t confirmed yet.

[XU 23]

This might be a first. Have we ever seen the media falsely report a coach take a job when he really didn't?

[Xavier]

I’m not sure that’s the rumor. But he hasn’t accepted the job yet.

[xubrew]

The issue is that Miller has now shown that he truly is a fucking sleaze and 100% should have been in jail for paying Ayton. Not Book Richardson. Mack has the chance for a TRUE redemption arc.

Yes! And we all knew that three years ago!! But Xavier hired him anyway. That was entirely their choice, so this is kind of at least PARTLY on them.

[xubrew]

Maybe Texas got Pitino and Sean is negotiating with St. John’s. Odd that it isn’t confirmed yet.

True, but it also hasn’t been denied yet. I would think that it would have been by at least one of the three parties if the report was wrong.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Been too busy on twitter and havent posted. My thoughts:

Sean is total scum. He was in coaching purgatory with only a poor program like South Carolina showing interest. Xavier threw him a lifeline (while getting a good coach, no doubt). He said he loved it here and missed it. Preached ALL IN. Then he literally said fuck X and left for the first big program who offered.

Don't tell me college bball landscape has changed since he took the job. NIL and portal were already here. Sean knew what he was getting into at X and what X could and couldn't do. He used them/us to get his next job. He can go fuck himself. Have fun being second fiddle at Texas with first fiddle pressure. He wont last as long at Texas as he did at Arizona with no Final 4 appearances.

As far as the next coach, I am adamant it not be an assistant. Too much risk and unpredictability. We are in a conference and at a point in our program history where it has to be a proven head coach with a track road, even if that is at a lower level. Cannot risk another Steele or even a Neptune type (I know he had 1 year at Fordham).

I would be happy with Mack if he still has the fire in his belly to do it at a high level. Not sure if he does or not.

If not Mack I don't know who, but has to be a head guy. There are enough guys out there with proven experience who would love the opportunity in the Big East.

Also, it has never been easier for a new coach to build a successful team year 1. This is not the end of Xavier hoops, but have to get the hire right. GC scare me a little bit there. We shall see.

Fuck Miller. Silver Bullets only from here on out!

[xuphan]

Yes! And we all knew that three years ago!! But Xavier hired him anyway. That was entirely their choice, so this is kind of at least PARTLY on them.

Won’t this be the same thing if they do end up hiring Mack?

[xubrew]

Won’t this be the same thing if they do end up hiring Mack?

I don’t think they should hire Mack, but even if they do I would say it’s not the same thing at all. Mack and his staff were never the target of an FBI investigation and no one ever went to prison for what they did under Mack’s direction and were then just sort of hung out there by him. I for one think that is a key difference.

[xudash]

Been too busy on twitter and havent posted. My thoughts:

Sean is total scum. He was in coaching purgatory with only a poor program like South Carolina showing interest. Xavier threw him a lifeline (while getting a good coach, no doubt). He said he loved it here and missed it. Preached ALL IN. Then he literally said fuck X and left for the first big program who offered.

Don't tell me college bball landscape has changed since he took the job. NIL and portal were already here. Sean knew what he was getting into at X and what X could and couldn't do. He used them/us to get his next job. He can go fuck himself. Have fun being second fiddle at Texas with first fiddle pressure. He wont last as long at Texas as he did at Arizona with no Final 4 appearances.

As far as the next coach, I am adamant it not be an assistant. Too much risk and unpredictability. We are in a conference and at a point in our program history where it has to be a proven head coach with a track road, even if that is at a lower level. Cannot risk another Steele or even a Neptune type (I know he had 1 year at Fordham).

I would be happy with Mack if he still has the fire in his belly to do it at a high level. Not sure if he does or not.

If not Mack I don't know who, but has to be a head guy. There are enough guys out there with proven experience who would love the opportunity in the Big East.

Also, it has never been easier for a new coach to build a successful team year 1. This is not the end of Xavier hoops, but have to get the hire right. GC scare me a little bit there. We shall see.

Fuck Miller. Silver Bullets only from here on out!

Great post.

[GoMuskies]

I don’t think they should hire Mack, but even if they do I would say it’s not the same thing at all. Mack and his staff were never the target of an FBI investigation and no one ever went to prison for what they did under Mack’s direction and were then just sort of hung out there by him. I for one think that is a key difference.

Well, there WAS the whole Dino extortion thing at Louisville. That was wild.

[kane79]

I don’t think they should hire Mack, but even if they do I would say it’s not the same thing at all. Mack and his staff were never the target of an FBI investigation and no one ever went to prison for what they did under Mack’s direction and were then just sort of hung out there by him. I for one think that is a key difference.

what about the blackmail and illegal recording or something with his assistant coach?

[Xville]

Yeah not thanks to Mack move the fuck on and get a coach who is outside this “family” I’m fucking over it

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not sure you understand what's about to happen here. Roster and recruits will be gutted.

X doesn't have the NIL funds to build an entire roster, and this news will likely result in a drastic decrease in confirmation of those funds. These donors are likely pulling back their commitments as we speak.

We don't have a coach. Recruiting the portal has already started. It's going to be very ugly.

Never been easier to build a new team. Those guys leave they aren't getting paid. The money is there, it's just convincing new guys.

[xuphan]

I don’t think they should hire Mack, but even if they do I would say it’s not the same thing at all. Mack and his staff were never the target of an FBI investigation and no one ever went to prison for what they did under Mack’s direction and were then just sort of hung out there by him. I for one think that is a key difference.

I didn’t even think of the FBI thing. I was thinking loyalty. Both left X for bigger paydays and ended up failing. If we hired Mack again I could also see him leaving in a few years as well.

[xubrew]

Well, there WAS the whole Dino extortion thing at Louisville. That was wild.

I had actually completely forgotten about this. Yes, it was wild!

[xuphan]

Never been easier to build a new team. Those guys leave they aren't getting paid. The money is there, it's just convincing new guys.

I somewhat disagree. While it is easier to bring large sums of players in an offseason in it is difficult to bring in quality without have major NIL funds. College Football and basketball have become essential like MLB but maybe a bit worse. No salary cap and contracts that are only worth one season. Agents moving their players around so much that I have no idea how many of these players end up with a degree. Meaning the schools with big donors are the Yankees and Dodgers and the rest are the rest. Not sure which MLB team we are but we are going to struggle to compete if we have to rebuild an entire roster. We won’t be outbidding the top schools which will make it difficult for the new coach to bring in a bunch of quality players.

[xubrew]

what about the blackmail and illegal recording or something with his assistant coach?

Like I said, I had forgotten about this. Wasn’t it Mack that was threatened/blackmailed by Dino Gaudio and not the other way around? I think he was fired for not properly reporting it, which struck me as kind of odd at the time. But I may be forgetting something. I probably am.

[Xville]

Like I said, I had forgotten about this. Wasn’t it Mack that was threatened/blackmailed by Dino Gaudio and not the other way around? I think he was fired for not properly reporting it, which struck me as kind of odd at the time. But I may be forgetting something. I probably am.

Yeah it was gaudio who was trying to extort Mack (because he was going to fire gaudio) saying he had tape of him doing something illegal with recruits and it was something so minor that it was a nothing burger. Mack taped the conversation which was weird and so the president at the time who was a slime ball herself I believe was going to suspend Mack for it, or did. I don’t remember exactly.

Anyways Mack had had enough at that point (Louisville was beyond a dumpster fire at that point with andministration etc) and essentially quit.

Anyways no thanks to Mack. I’ve had enough of hiring guys back that didn’t want to stay the first time. Get some fresh blood in here and get a real ad please. Gc can fail up again and have some bullshit title but get someone that has a clue as to what the fuck they are doing please

[D-West & PO-Z]

I somewhat disagree. While it is easier to bring large sums of players in an offseason in it is difficult to bring in quality without have major NIL funds. College Football and basketball have become essential like MLB but maybe a bit worse. No salary cap and contracts that are only worth one season. Agents moving their players around so much that I have no idea how many of these players end up with a degree. Meaning the schools with big donors are the Yankees and Dodgers and the rest are the rest. Not sure which MLB team we are but we are going to struggle to compete if we have to rebuild an entire roster. We won’t be outbidding the top schools which will make it difficult for the new coach to bring in a bunch of quality players.

I have heard we are a top 40 school in NIL funds for basketball. That is not bad at all. There is a decent NIL war chest year after year for X. Not Texas sized of course.

[xavbball]

I have heard we are a top 40 school in NIL funds for basketball. That is not bad at all. There is a decent NIL war chest year after year for X. Not Texas sized of course.

I believe it. Texas NIL was $3.5 million this season. We were actually close to that.

In the SEC, there was one team at $6 million, and five at $5 million. Texas was middle of the pack. A few were as low as $2 million. Football is king at these schools. They can raise more money but it’s mainly going to football.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Heard the hold up is NIL commitment from Texas. Currently have stated they would commit 8 mil and X is at 5 mil. Guess there is concern about Texas backing off that basketball commitment based on what they have committed to football pending some potential legislation capping the total amount 1 school can spend.

At this point it seems still likely to me Miller is gone, if he isn't it isn't because he changed his mind or felt loyal to X. He would fully go but only if he gets everything he wants. Not sure how I will feel at this point if it falls apart with Texas?

[Xavier]

I saw that Tre Mitchell was like 1.2 million. He’s a lottery pick, arguably top 3.

I also heard a donor was making a pitch to add more to keep Miller. But somehow Xavier has been blindsided by the overall news.

[drudy23]

I believe it. Texas NIL was $3.5 million this season. We were actually close to that.

In the SEC, there was one team at $6 million, and five at $5 million. Texas was middle of the pack. A few were as low as $2 million. Football is king at these schools. They can raise more money but it’s mainly going to football.

Then how did they end up with a roster of athletic specimens and we didn't?

Their roster was loaded with raw talent.

[Section 200]

Heard the hold up is NIL commitment from Texas. Currently have stated they would commit 8 mil and X is at 5 mil. Guess there is concern about Texas backing off that basketball commitment based on what they have committed to football pending some potential legislation capping the total amount 1 school can spend.

At this point it seems still likely to me Miller is gone, if he isn't it isn't because he changed his mind or felt loyal to X. He would fully go but only if he gets everything he wants. Not sure how I will feel at this point if it falls apart with Texas?

Will be interesting to see how this is resolved. Hopefully soon since the portal opens tomorrow.

[IM4X]

I know many X fans are upset but what did you think was going to happen? Miller wasn't staying here for 10-20 years.

Uh… Yes people thought he would stay for 10+ year because he said he would when he came back - that he was here to stay for good and finish his career if the school will have him. So when someone is given a second chance and tells everyone those are his intentions, you damn well believe him.

I do believe we will find out that before Sean took the Texas job he knew there was someone who wanted the X job as badly as he did if not more and he made sure the administration was good with hiring that replacement. That person being Mack.

I don’t love hiring back stabbers who cry they made a mistake, but ai will not be surprised one bit if Chris Mack is named X’s next head coach soon (and then he explains that Sean only left knowing the decision makers at X were okay with this idea).

Fool me once- shame on you.
Fool me twice- shame on me.

[Xville]

Heard the hold up is NIL commitment from Texas. Currently have stated they would commit 8 mil and X is at 5 mil. Guess there is concern about Texas backing off that basketball commitment based on what they have committed to football pending some potential legislation capping the total amount 1 school can spend.

At this point it seems still likely to me Miller is gone, if he isn't it isn't because he changed his mind or felt loyal to X. He would fully go but only if he gets everything he wants. Not sure how I will feel at this point if it falls apart with Texas?

If this is true, I don’t want him. Tell him to fuck off and go to Texas. Zero reason to keep being the abused wife

[Xavier]

Meh….if he was here for 5 years and brought a couple sweet 16s, an elite 8, and a big East championship- I’d say he is good to move on and I’m happy about it.

Leaving after a sweet 16 run and barely sneaking in on year 3? Not the best way to roll IMO.

[MHettel]

Anyone remember when Fran frashilla was at SJU and he interviewed somewhere and SJU fired him for it? I’m kinda there

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah seems like it would be an awkward return at this point for Miller if things fell apart at Texas. I'm sure its just a matter of time until he is announced as their coach but in the rare possibility it falls apart, I'm not sure I even want him back at this point. Unless it could be proven this was all BS and he listened but said no but it seems like that would be hard and some damage has been done.

[xuphan]

Yeah seems like it would be an awkward return at this point for Miller if things fell apart at Texas. I'm sure its just a matter of time until he is announced as their coach but in the rare possibility it falls apart, I'm not sure I even want him back at this point. Unless it could be proven this was all BS and he listened but said no but it seems like that would be hard and some damage has been done.

Looks like a Flexjet from Austin is scheduled to land a Lunken this afternoon. Hopefully clarity one way or the other happens soon.

[JEHARDI]

Amazing how poorly this has been handled by TX and Miller. Give Wade credit for at least being transparent about it. And Willard, who is going Nova but has not let it overtake the fact that they are still playing.

NIL commitments are as big apart of coaches negotiations in taking or remaining in a job as their salaries. If Xavier still has FF aspirations, at a minimum, we have to commit to providing the same resources UCONN and Nova are committing. Otherwise it is all a pipedream.

[Husman]

Here are my thoughts:

1. I thought that this season Miller “mailed it in” more than his prior 2 return seasons at X.

2. Xavier saved his career by hiring him after his Arizona termination. Miller owed Xavier more than 3 years for Saint his @ss.

3. I have believed that Miller is a good coach but not elite.

4. The way Miller has left Xavier is a reflection of his overall character.

5. If Miller does not want to be at Xavier then get someone with enthusiasm who wants to be.

6. My second favorite mens basketball team is now whatever team is playing against Texas.

[Xavier]

I think Sean is a clown for leaving again especially this early. I think you can question if he’s just a very good coach or a great coach. But I don’t think you can question if he mailed it in this year. They needed to win there last 7 games to make the tournament. The team was awful the first 2.5 months and ended up making the tournament still. I’d say far from mailing it in.

[muskieindent]

After the portal opens today,will we even have a player on the roster? I don't know if any players will follow Miller to Texas.They're not loyal to the school or coach anymore.They'll go to where the money is.Xavier is like the Reds and Texas is the Dodgers.It's just not a level playing field .

[Xville]

This needs to be made official one way or the other today. As of a few hours ago, it wasn't done. It better be for Xavier's sake by this afternoon either way. Once it happens, we better have someone lined up whether it be Mack or someone else, and that needs to be done in a couple of days.

There is zero time for poking around. Make a decision and do it quickly.

Personally, I think Miller is making a bad decision....one, hes overrated and Texas has sky high expectations even though it is playing second fiddle to football. Hope he rots and gets canned.

[Xavier]

I saw 25% of the sweet 16 was first year coaches. I have no idea the roster turnover from those programs, though. IE- Texas Tech? Kentucky was a complete rebuild, but that’s not quite the same.

There has to be some sort of official word today, earlier the better.

[bjf123]

My take is he went to the administration asking for more resources, i.e. NIL $$$ and was told he has all he has and the well is dry. That’s when he decided to leave. Otherwise, he’s set up to fail. That’s our new reality.


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[A Fan]

I think Sean is a clown for leaving again especially this early. I think you can question if he’s just a very good coach or a great coach. But I don’t think you can question if he mailed it in this year. They needed to win there last 7 games to make the tournament. The team was awful the first 2.5 months and ended up making the tournament still. I’d say far from mailing it in.



The real clowns in today’s college basketball world are the wealthy donors who bankroll this absurd system, throwing money at players and coaches who chase NIL dollars and then betray them anyway. The second-tier clowns are those who still pretend this is anything other than professional mercenary sports.

[Xville]

My take is he went to the administration asking for more resources, i.e. NIL $$$ and was told he has all he has and the well is dry. That’s when he decided to leave. Otherwise, he’s set up to fail. That’s our new reality.


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He knew the situation with Xavier when he took the job, and now he's surprised? Not like Xavier's NIL is poor...everything i have heard is that we are competitive....maybe not Texas' huge pool of money but after football, I'd be surprised if it's really that much of a gap.

Whatever. Its not like hes killed it in his return, I just didn't want to lose conwell/Swain but is what it is.

[Caveat]

My take is he went to the administration asking for more resources, i.e. NIL $$$ and was told he has all he has and the well is dry. That’s when he decided to leave. Otherwise, he’s set up to fail. That’s our new reality.


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Probably worth noting too that next year will be the first year schools can directly start paying players without having to rely on NIL funds IIRC.

[A Fan]

While it hasn’t been officially announced, Sean Miller is gone. Texas’ lawyers are likely structuring their NIL commitment based on a percentage of what may eventually be allowed for all sports, which could be less than what Sean wants for basketball. But he has little leverage—trying to come back would only make a mockery of his own blatant betrayal.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I saw 25% of the sweet 16 was first year coaches. I have no idea the roster turnover from those programs, though. IE- Texas Tech? Kentucky was a complete rebuild, but that’s not quite the same.

There has to be some sort of official word today, earlier the better.

BYU, UK, and Arkansas all changed coaches (some among each other) and are all better than they were last year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

My take is he went to the administration asking for more resources, i.e. NIL $$$ and was told he has all he has and the well is dry. That’s when he decided to leave. Otherwise, he’s set up to fail. That’s our new reality.


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X has plenty of NIL money to compete within the BE. They don't have Texas NIL money but Sean has known that since before he took the job.

Please stop giving this man cop outs.

[bjf123]

BYU, UK, and Arkansas all changed coaches (some among each other) and are all better than they were last year.

How many returning players did they have and how many did they buy for this year?


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[bjf123]

X has plenty of NIL money to compete within the BE. They don't have Texas NIL money but Sean has known that since before he took the job.

Please stop giving this man cop outs.

None of us have any idea how much the NIL landscape might have changed over the last 3 years. Things might have been fine when he got here, but the spending by other schools might have increased more than expected and we can’t compete.


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[drudy23]

BYU, UK, and Arkansas all changed coaches (some among each other) and are all better than they were last year.

And they were all leaders of NIL funds.

As people have been saying for a couple years now, the NIL era will not be kind to X.

[Caveat]

X has plenty of NIL money to compete within the BE. They don't have Texas NIL money but Sean has known that since before he took the job.

Please stop giving this man cop outs.

The thinking (hopium) at the time was that basketball NIL would lag behind football and that Xavier / the other BE programs could compete by not having to feed the football machine too.

That’s kinda been thrown out the window with how much the SEC/B10 are spending and it’s only going to get worse as the schools can start directly paying players using the massive TV deals both of those conferences have.

It’s going to be a Power 2 shortly if it isn’t already.

[drudy23]

The thinking (hopium) at the time was that basketball NIL would lag behind football and that Xavier / the other BE programs could compete by not having to feed the football machine too.

That’s kinda been thrown out the window with how much the SEC/B10 are spending and it’s only going to get worse as the schools can start directly paying players using the massive TV deals both of those conferences have.

It’s going to be a Power 2 shortly if it isn’t already.

And add to that that this is horrible timing for X coming off of the Steele years. People still have PTSD and the NIL fund honestly probably came from the trust in Miller to get the job done. They bet on Sean, and they were railroaded.

Would you continue to send large chucks of dough after the Steel years and what Miller did?

Season tickets are going to take a hit this year, that's a given, and so is NIL. They have massive bills to pay with the medical program. If you think they were concerned about finances before, just wait.

Basketball gave them the ability to even think about building a medical program.

[D-West & PO-Z]

None of us have any idea how much the NIL landscape might have changed over the last 3 years. Things might have been fine when he got here, but the spending by other schools might have increased more than expected and we can’t compete.


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Please stop.

If you were not a long time poster, I'd think Miller's son was behind your account.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And they were all leaders of NIL funds.

As people have been saying for a couple years now, the NIL era will not be kind to X.

Again, I think people underestimate the NIL money X has committed to basketball. It's not going to ever be Texas level. It is more than enough to compete and be a good basketball program.

[Xavier]

How this all went down….Sean is an absolute clown.

[JEHARDI]

Below is a CBS poll of hoops coaches indicating who they believe has committed the most NIL $'s in order. Pitino is already posturing for an increase in the Johnnies funding. If Miller is using the interest TX has shown to up the ante in X commitment, I see nothing wrong with that, it is the reality of the game today .Every coach that wants to win, is or will be doing it. Coaches are getting upfront commitments from schools prior to taking a job. If our expectation is to go to the tourney every year and advance past the 1st weekend at least half the time, we should want a coach who is pushing the envelope.
To those that say Miller knew what he was getting into when he took the job, the game has continued to change over the last 3 years (not for the better) and NIL $ are vital to winning.

Arkansas
Kansas
BYU
Kentucky
Indiana
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
Alabama
Illinois
Texas Tech
Duke
UConn
North Carolina
Tennessee
Memphis
Texas
Ohio State
St. John's
(Other programs that received at least one vote: Arizona, Florida, Georgetown, McNeese State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Villanova, Washington.)

[D-West & PO-Z]

The thinking (hopium) at the time was that basketball NIL would lag behind football and that Xavier / the other BE programs could compete by not having to feed the football machine too.

That’s kinda been thrown out the window with how much the SEC/B10 are spending and it’s only going to get worse as the schools can start directly paying players using the massive TV deals both of those conferences have.

It’s going to be a Power 2 shortly if it isn’t already.

Supposedly there is legislation on the table that will allow schools to pay up to 19 million combined NIL to all sports. If that happens and is true it is going to severely hamper those basketball programs. Allegedly that is Miller's concern at Texas and is what is being hammered out.

As soon as Texas loses a football game, that 8 mil is going to turn into 4 mil real quick, lmao.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And add to that that this is horrible timing for X coming off of the Steele years. People still have PTSD and the NIL fund honestly probably came from the trust in Miller to get the job done. They bet on Sean, and they were railroaded.

Would you continue to send large chucks of dough after the Steel years and what Miller did?

Season tickets are going to take a hit this year, that's a given, and so is NIL. They have massive bills to pay with the medical program. If you think they were concerned about finances before, just wait.

Basketball gave them the ability to even think about building a medical program.

You're thinking like a "normal" fan who is a regular person with regular money.

The big time donors who make up the majority of donations have been around for a long ass time through many Xavier coaches.

They have money to burn and are passionate about the X program.

While, yes, X also benefits from smaller contributors, that is not where/who their concern lies with for raising funds.

[Cincypunk.org]

Below is a CBS poll of hoops coaches indicating who they believe has committed the most NIL $'s in order. Pitino is already posturing for an increase in the Johnnies funding. If Miller is using the interest TX has shown to up the ante in X commitment, I see nothing wrong with that, it is the reality of the game today .Every coach that wants to win, is or will be doing it. Coaches are getting upfront commitments from schools prior to taking a job. If our expectation is to go to the tourney every year and advance past the 1st weekend at least half the time, we should want a coach who is pushing the envelope.
To those that say Miller knew what he was getting into when he took the job, the game has continued to change over the last 3 years (not for the better) and NIL $ are vital to winning.

Arkansas
Kansas
BYU
Kentucky
Indiana
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
Alabama
Illinois
Texas Tech
Duke
UConn
North Carolina
Tennessee
Memphis
Texas
Ohio State
St. John's
(Other programs that received at least one vote: Arizona, Florida, Georgetown, McNeese State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Villanova, Washington.)

Who funds McNeese State? That is wild.

[UCGRAD4X]

I think we are all hoping that that faith we placed in Miller (In Sean We Trust) was not "totally" misguided. We are trying to find some mitigating information to justify that trust and a chance to say we were are not complete fools.

The upshot may be; anybody that trusts anything anybody says in this crazy landscape of college athletics is a fool.

That's a shame.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Below is a CBS poll of hoops coaches indicating who they believe has committed the most NIL $'s in order. Pitino is already posturing for an increase in the Johnnies funding. If Miller is using the interest TX has shown to up the ante in X commitment, I see nothing wrong with that, it is the reality of the game today .Every coach that wants to win, is or will be doing it. Coaches are getting upfront commitments from schools prior to taking a job. If our expectation is to go to the tourney every year and advance past the 1st weekend at least half the time, we should want a coach who is pushing the envelope.
To those that say Miller knew what he was getting into when he took the job, the game has continued to change over the last 3 years (not for the better) and NIL $ are vital to winning.

Arkansas
Kansas
BYU
Kentucky
Indiana
Kansas State
Baylor
Louisville
Alabama
Illinois
Texas Tech
Duke
UConn
North Carolina
Tennessee
Memphis
Texas
Ohio State
St. John's
(Other programs that received at least one vote: Arizona, Florida, Georgetown, McNeese State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Villanova, Washington.)

Interesting.

Do you have a link to the poll? Would love to see it.

7 of the teams listed are in the Sweet 16. So less than half of the remaining field.

3 of the teams listed didn't make the tournament.

[Xville]

Unless the numbers are way off on what is being reported on the periphery by other schools, Louisville being up there is inaccurate information. It's being reported and i'm being told that the number is going to significantly increase next year, but this past year it wasn't that big.

I'd find it hard to believe that Ohio State, Baylor are really up there as well considering their rosters. But who knows. I think a lot of coaches are just guessing like the rest of us.

[JEHARDI]

Unless the numbers are way off on what is being reported on the periphery by other schools, Louisville being up there is inaccurate information. It's being reported and i'm being told that the number is going to significantly increase next year, but this past year it wasn't that big.

I'd find it hard to believe that Ohio State, Baylor are really up there as well considering their rosters. But who knows. I think a lot of coaches are just guessing like the rest of us.

Widely reported by other coaches that were competing with Louisville for players last year that Kelsey had bags of cash and was throwing $ around. The big Louisville donors stepped up, which is not surprising given what they went through.

[MHettel]

Interesting.

Do you have a link to the poll? Would love to see it.

7 of the teams listed are in the Sweet 16. So less than half of the remaining field.

3 of the teams listed didn't make the tournament.

Maybe we should just hire a few private investigators, dig up a little dirt on some of the players we want and then just extort them to play for us for a few bucks. It would “appear” that we have a lot of NIL and people would assume as much.

It seems like anything goes nowadays. It blackmail EXPLICITLY prohibited by the NCAA?

[Caveat]

Unless the numbers are way off on what is being reported on the periphery by other schools, Louisville being up there is inaccurate information. It's being reported and i'm being told that the number is going to significantly increase next year, but this past year it wasn't that big.

I'd find it hard to believe that Ohio State, Baylor are really up there as well considering their rosters. But who knows. I think a lot of coaches are just guessing like the rest of us.

Many of the bigger schools have alums that can just pay players directly without going through NIL funds. That sorta stuff still happens even in this current era.

[Xville]

Widely reported by other coaches that were competing with Louisville for players last year that Kelsey had bags of cash and was throwing $ around. The big Louisville donors stepped up, which is not surprising given what they went through.

Simply look at the roster this year and tell me they competed with top ten money. Not one nba guy on their roster, three guys from Charleston. Hepburn cost some money and so did edwards but the rest of the guys were not highly sought after.

[bjf123]

Please stop.

If you were not a long time poster, I'd think Miller's son was behind your account.

I’m not happy he’s leaving at all and I hope the Texas program finishes last in the SEC from now to the end of time. I’m just saying none of us really know what all is going on and am offering my opinion on it and the state of Xavier basketball.


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[OTRMUSKIE]

I mean I think we can all agree if Sean had another mediocre year next year we prob would want to move on. He knew that too. No way does he want to be fired. He saw an opportunity that will keep him from being fired. I could not stand that man yesterday for what he did but after calming down I think he realizes he will prob be fired soon and this was his best chance to keep that from happening.

[XUBand]

I mean I think we can all agree if Sean had another mediocre year next year we prob would want to move on. He knew that too. No way does he want to be fired. He saw an opportunity that will keep him from being fired. I could not stand that man yesterday for what he did but after calming down I think he realizes he will prob be fired soon and this was his best chance to keep that from happening.

I don’t know what fantasy land you are living in. We extended him to 2029. Not like X has the cash to be firing top tier coaches.