Arkansas is NOT a Tournament Team

[MHettel]

I’m sweating bullets over here about Tournament chances and as of today Arkansas is still in and getting a first round bye. This is NOt a tournament team, and if they get in and we don’t, I’m gonna LOSE MY SHIT!

Non-Con:

Arkansas went 11-2. They have ONE good win, at home against Michigan. They lost to Baylor and Illinois. Both also at home. Their other wind are, well, not impressive: Lipscomb, Troy, Pacific, Little Rock, MD Eastern, (awful) Miami, UTSA, Central Arkansas, NC A&T, & Oakland.

Their NON-CON SOS was 281. The teams they lost to have an average NET of 24. The teams they beat have an average NET of 219. You mix in the wins and losses and their entire non-conference schedule NET average was 189…

They should get ZERO credit for that. ZERO

SEC conference play:

Oh, the big bad SEC! Best conference ever! Get over yourself. They play only 18 games (allowing for 2 addition non-con cupcakes), and with 15 conference opponents, they have to play 2 opponents twice. Who did they draw? Missouri (that’s a tough one, but still a middling SEC team), Texas (awful….more to come), and LSU (3-14 in the SEC).

Think about the top end of the SEC. Auburn, Florida, Bama, Tennessee, TAMU. Those are top 10 teams. Zero wins, 5 Losses.

The legit middle of the pack SEC is Missouri, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss State. 2-2 so far with a game vs Miss St on Saturday.

Then you get the posers of the SEC. None of these teams deserve to dance. Texas, vandy, Oklahoma, Georgia. These teams are a combined 26-42 in conference play. Arkansas went 4-1 against this group. This is like us beating Nova or Georgetown. So what.

And the bottom 2 in the SEC? They freaking LOST to LSU after having the gift of playing them twice! But LSU has a Net of 84 somehow. 3-14 in conference, and 11-2 out of conference with a non-conference SOS of 338. How is losing to LSU NOT a catastrophic loss?

Arkansas has done nothing. Most of their wins are against garbage of the bottom half of the SEC. I don’t know how anyone could look at this team and find ANY reason to put them in, other than their Association with the SEC, which beautifully gamed the NET this year.

This post is over, but I’m not done.

[MHettel]

Now, let’s dissect the bottom half of the SEC. The so called “bubble teams” and the bottom feeders.

I’m just going to focus on the non-conference play.

Vandy- 12-1 with an SOS of 329.
Oklahoma- 13-0 with an SOS of 288.
Arkansas- 11-2 with an SOS of 281
Georgia- 12-1 with an SOS of 169.
Texas- 11-2 with an SOS of 349
LSU- 11-2 with an SOS of 338.
S.Carolina- 10-3 with an SOS of 140.

Ok , so that’s 70-11 overall with an average SOS of 270.

And in conference, these teams are a combined 38-81. And probably 1/3 of their games were among themselves.

This is insane.

And I’ll go back to my rant about the disadvantage of playing 20 conference games. Every conference game yields a win and a loss for the conference. So imagine if the SEC played 20 games, then we’d subtract 2 wins per team from their noncon schedule and and back 1 win and 1 loss for each team. It doesn’t matter who wins those games. But suddenly, the OOC win % isn’t quite as eye popping, and the Net doesn’t hold up either. And we wouldn’t have teams like Arkansas at 39, or Texas at 40, or Vandy at 44, or Georgia at 32, or Oklahoma at 50.

Someone please assure me that the committee has enough collective brains to see through this sham.

I say probably 1, and maybe 2 of the 5 SEC bubble teams should get in. ESPN has Vandy safely in and Georgia and Arkansas avoiding Dayton.

Disgraceful

[Xville]

I think the net could use some tweaks here and there. For one, I don't think winning on the road against a top 75 team should be a Q1 win. Top 50 sure, but right now here are some of the teams in the 50-75 quadrant that would be considered Q1s:

USC
AZ State
Northwestern
Iowa
Pitt
Utah
Penn State
Wake
TCU
Kansas State

Mos of these teams are the equivalent of beating Butler in my eyes. That's one change I'd make or they need to tweak the formula. All the net is doing right now is further rewarding the Power 4 and non-con records for the first month and a half of the year which if you think about is completely ridiculous. Just think how different X is now compared to what they were in November/December.

The pundits try to say "well every game is equal." Well, not really...not when most of the metrics are built in for the first month and a half of the season and there are three months after that in the season.

As far as the SEC, I do think it's possible the top 4-5 in that conference may be the best ever. I'd have to really do some digging in the past to verify but I've watched a hell of a lot of that conference this year and those top 4 teams are all elite, maybe 5. Not that I think there are going to be 4 SEC teams in the final four or anything. Weird shit happens in a one game tourney. The middle to bottom of the conference are to me just like every other conference...average/mediocre to bad.

[xubrew]

I’m sweating bullets over here about Tournament chances and as of today Arkansas is still in and getting a first round bye. This is NOt a tournament team, and if they get in and we don’t, I’m gonna LOSE MY SHIT!

According to who?? Whoever it is is just guessing. They don't actually know anything.

Arkansas isn't "still getting a first round bye." No one has even been selected yet. Wait until you see what the actual committee actually does before losing your shit. Besides, the season isn't quite over yet.

[xukeith]

X's resume isn't ideal. 9-11 vs Q1 and Q2.

1 win vs a top 30 team.

Maybe X can sell the Freemantle's injury card vs UConn and MU. Add 1 of those to a win with healthy Freemantle.
2-9 Q1 record is competition with SMU, Arkansas, Nebraska, and Boise State.

[MHettel]

According to who?? Whoever it is is just guessing. They don't actually know anything.

Arkansas isn't "still getting a first round bye." No one has even been selected yet. Wait until you see what the actual committee actually does before losing your shit. Besides, the season isn't quite over yet.

What are you talking about? The fucking bracket projections are everywhere right now…..for a reason. CAUSE people fucking talk about it. And you’re shocked that I am. But you will comment about THAT and not the actual thing that everyone else is talking about.

Weird. Sometimes silence is a REALLY good option.

[xubrew]

What are you talking about? The fucking bracket projections are everywhere right now…..for a reason. CAUSE people fucking talk about it. And you’re shocked that I am. But you will comment about THAT and not the actual thing that everyone else is talking about.

Weird. Sometimes silence is a REALLY good option.

And none of the fucking bracket projections mean ANYTHING!!! Just because someone is saying they think Arkansas will get in doesn't mean that Arkansas is going to get it. It's not worth losing your shit over.

I gotta admit that I am laughing at how me saying there's no need to lose your shit caused you to lose your shit. I was actually agreeing with the title of your thread. Arkansas is not a tournament team. At least not yet.

[Xville]

And none of the fucking bracket projections mean ANYTHING!!! Just because someone is saying they think Arkansas will get in doesn't mean that Arkansas is going to get it. It's not worth losing your shit over.

I gotta admit that I am laughing at how me saying there's no need to lose your shit caused you to lose your shit. I was actually agreeing with the title of your thread. Arkansas is not a tournament team. At least not yet.

Bracketologists were really far off last year. As you said, nothing’s been decided yet and everyone does need to remember that the sec and espn are completely in bed together as far as lunardi goes. As far as the other bracketologists, I think they just copy what lunardi does and tweak here and there on a whim.

We shall see what happens. Win 2 and we won’t have to worry.

With that said, I still stand by my statement that the net needs to be tweaked. It won’t be, because it benefits the big guys but I wish it would be.

[HenryMuto]

That's what happens when you root for Arkansas to beat Kentucky had they lost that game they would be done right now.

[xubrew]

That's what happens when you root for Arkansas to beat Kentucky had they lost that game they would be done right now.

Yes, clearly that’s how Arkansas was able to beat Kentucky. It was the posters on this site who were rooting for them to win that made the difference.

[MHettel]

Bracketologists were really far off last year. As you said, nothing’s been decided yet and everyone does need to remember that the sec and espn are completely in bed together as far as lunardi goes. As far as the other bracketologists, I think they just copy what lunardi does and tweak here and there on a whim.

We shall see what happens. Win 2 and we won’t have to worry.

With that said, I still stand by my statement that the net needs to be tweaked. It won’t be, because it benefits the big guys but I wish it would be.

Do you think that the committee members ever peek at a bracket projection? They probably shouldn’t, which is different than saying they dont.

Bottom line is that I dont trust the committee to pick the right teams.

Last year they did several things that the projection didn’t have. If all the projections agree and the Committee does something completely different….then….well maybe it’s them.

Speaking of, are the projections meant to pick the teams that they think should be in (with seed) or are they trying to predict what the committee will do? These are not the same thing.

I’m preparing myself to get the screw job, basically. I don’t know which team, but I’m guessing 2 undeserving SEC teams sneak in. And if it’s at our expense we I’ll be on fire

[Xville]

Do you think that the committee members ever peek at a bracket projection? They probably shouldn’t, which is different than saying they dont.

Bottom line is that I dont trust the committee to pick the right teams.

Last year they did several things that the projection didn’t have. If all the projections agree and the Committee does something completely different….then….well maybe it’s them.

Speaking of, are the projections meant to pick the teams that they think should be in (with seed) or are they trying to predict what the committee will do? These are not the same thing.

I’m preparing myself to get the screw job, basically. I don’t know which team, but I’m guessing 2 undeserving SEC teams sneak in. And if it’s at our expense we I’ll be on fire

As far as bracketologists vs the committee, I believe that brew has explained the committee looks at things in a lot more detail and weigh varying factors that the bracketologists do not.

In terms of undeserving teams… I understand we all want x in, but x also did themselves zero favors. They are in the position that they are in because they couldn’t beat uc, Tcu, Georgetown, gave up a ridiculous lead to sju and got Brian oconnelled vs Marquette.

There are always 1-2 teams that are “undeserving” every year. Hopefully that’s not at x’s expense… hopefully they win two more games and we don’t have to worry about it. Would it suck them not getting in? Of course! But if they only beat providence and lose in the qtrs, I’ll understand. I’ll be pissed, but x really would only have themselves to blame.

Maybe we let this play out and see what the committee does first and see what x does over the next week?

[Xville]

Last thing I’ll add… this is the first year we’ve had multiple mega conferences… sec, big ten etc so bracketologists are just kinda guessing what the committee will do at this point base on previous years, but we’ve never really experienced this before . It’s uncharted territory.

[MHettel]

As far as bracketologists vs the committee, I believe that brew has explained the committee looks at things in a lot more detail and weigh varying factors that the bracketologists do not.

In terms of undeserving teams… I understand we all want x in, but x also did themselves zero favors. They are in the position that they are in because they couldn’t beat uc, Tcu, Georgetown, gave up a ridiculous lead to sju and got Brian oconnelled vs Marquette.

There are always 1-2 teams that are “undeserving” every year. Hopefully that’s not at x’s expense… hopefully they win two more games and we don’t have to worry about it. Would it suck them not getting in? Of course! But if they only beat providence and lose in the qtrs, I’ll understand. I’ll be pissed, but x really would only have themselves to blame.

Maybe we let this play out and see what the committee does first and see what x does over the next week?

I don’t put any extra validation on your opening comments that “brew has explained”. That means nothing that’s just one more opinion. I’m asking for YOUR opinion. Are the projectors trying to pick the field or predict the committees field?

[xubrew]

I don’t put any extra validation on your opening comments that “brew has explained”. That means nothing that’s just one more opinion. I’m asking for YOUR opinion. Are the projectors trying to pick the field or predict the committees field?

There are several hundred projectors. Most that I’m familiar with say they are trying to guess the committee. Most also say they are basically supposing what the committee would do if the season ended today and are not trying to guess the future. But others may do it entirely differently. You’d have to ask them. But, they normally indicate it somewhere on their website how they go about doing their projections.

[xubrew]

Do you think that the committee members ever peek at a bracket projection? They probably shouldn’t, which is different than saying they dont.

Bottom line is that I dont trust the committee to pick the right teams.

Last year they did several things that the projection didn’t have. If all the projections agree and the Committee does something completely different….then….well maybe it’s them.

Speaking of, are the projections meant to pick the teams that they think should be in (with seed) or are they trying to predict what the committee will do? These are not the same thing.

I’m preparing myself to get the screw job, basically. I don’t know which team, but I’m guessing 2 undeserving SEC teams sneak in. And if it’s at our expense we I’ll be on fire

Okay, read those two statements out loud. And then ask yourself how seriously you should be taking the current projections.

[Xville]

I don’t put any extra validation on your opening comments that “brew has explained”. That means nothing that’s just one more opinion. I’m asking for YOUR opinion. Are the projectors trying to pick the field or predict the committees field?

Well I do considering it’s pretty obvious he knows a lot about this and works somehow in the industry to know what goes on behind those doors more than any of us.

As far as your question, I guess picking the field? I’m not really sure what you are asking. I’m assuming they are not diving as deep into certain things as the committee would. Road records, injuries, wins against the field etc. I don’t know this for certain, but my assumption is that bracketologists are just looking at the metrics… net, quad wins, kpi, torvik etc and just making educated guesses. It probably doesn’t take a whole lot of work to predict 90% of the at large field. It’s that 10% that is the separation. As far as seeding, outside of the 1,2s.. in my experience the bracketologists are typically very far off

[MHettel]

Well I do considering it’s pretty obvious he knows a lot about this and works somehow in the industry to know what goes on behind those doors more than any of us.

As far as your question, I guess picking the field? I’m not really sure what you are asking. I’m assuming they are not diving as deep into certain things as the committee would. Road records, injuries, wins against the field etc. I don’t know this for certain, but my assumption is that bracketologists are just looking at the metrics… net, quad wins, kpi, torvik etc and just making educated guesses. It probably doesn’t take a whole lot of work to predict 90% of the at large field. It’s that 10% that is the separation. As far as seeding, outside of the 1,2s.. in my experience the bracketologists are typically very far off

I think the opposite. If you are gonna put you name out there a make a prediction then it ONLY makes sense to put all the work in. I doubt they are just like “well, I’ll check a few metrics and that should do it”. They want to be RIGHT. And the measure of “rightness” is whether or not they were able to predict what the committee will do. It doesn’t matter one bit if they have a superior bracket than the committee. The committee produces the only one that matters.

Which goes back to my other question. If the bracketogists are are trying to put together the best bracket, then it would make sense that a committee member may take a peek (on the sly) at the projections to affirm or shape how they see the situation. So maybe the projections matter in that case.

The point is that the only bracket that matters is the actual bracket. But if it’s shaped by the projections then those matter. And if the projections are based on just some cursory review of a few metrics…..then we’re screwed.

[xubrew]

So the people doing the projections are trying to guess what the committee will actually do, and the committee members look to see what their guesses are, and that influences what they actually do, but last year it didn’t. Okay, got it!!

I’m sure they look at bracketology. Everyone does. You obviously look at it and it obviously didn’t sway your opinion of whether or not Arkansas should get in. It don’t think it really sways them either.

[Xville]

I think the opposite. If you are gonna put you name out there a make a prediction then it ONLY makes sense to put all the work in. I doubt they are just like “well, I’ll check a few metrics and that should do it”. They want to be RIGHT. And the measure of “rightness” is whether or not they were able to predict what the committee will do. It doesn’t matter one bit if they have a superior bracket than the committee. The committee produces the only one that matters.

Which goes back to my other question. If the bracketogists are are trying to put together the best bracket, then it would make sense that a committee member may take a peek (on the sly) at the projections to affirm or shape how they see the situation. So maybe the projections matter in that case.

The point is that the only bracket that matters is the actual bracket. But if it’s shaped by the projections then those matter. And if the projections are based on just some cursory review of a few metrics…..then we’re screwed.

Hold on. You think that committee members look at what bracketologists are doing and then affirm or shape how they see the situation based off a guy or gal’s website? Huh?

A few posts ago you just said how the projections were off last year. Those two statements don’t line up.

I see where this is going as all conversations with you go, (you twisting yourself into a pretzel to try to defend a narrative) so I’ll see myself out.

[MHettel]

so I’ll see myself out.

Thank you. feel free to take a bottle of Tylenol and wash it down with Vodka while you are at it.

[MHettel]

Back to my rant.

Let’s break the SEC in some smaller groups.

The top 4 are legit Top 10 teams and champion contender.

The “middle” of the conference is 5 tourney worthy teams (Missouri, TAMU, UK, Ole Miss, Miss st).

The bubble ( which I think is a joke) is 5 teams consisting of Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, Vandy, and Arkansas

LSU and SCarolina are just garbage.


So the top 4 teams have a 51-17 overall conference record. The bubble teams are responsible for TWO of those losses.

The bubble teams are 2-20 against the top 4.

Why are any of these teams even on the bubble?

[xubrew]

Why are any of these teams even on the bubble?

I guess it’s their high caliber quality losses.

[Xuperman]

They all look better than what VCU showed tonight.

[Xuperman]

1 point win against a ranked team today....they're in. The Calipari effect will eliminate any doubt if there is any.

[X-band '01]

Arkansas is a tournament team. An Ohio State University is not.

[Xuperman]

I guess it’s their high caliber quality losses.

North Carolina has cornered the market on those.

[Xville]

North Carolina has cornered the market on those.

I dunno what’s funnier…uc having to keep Wes because of his ridiculous buyout for being mediocre or Hubert Davis getting an absurd extension

[Xavier]

Not sure what the buyout situation is for Davis. Or if there was one. But it seems like NIL is made the decision tricker. For example/ we can get donors to pay 10 million to get Wes out or keep Wes and use that money towards roster building.

[Xuperman]

I don't see the point of discussing Bearcat Basketball here for any reason, unless it has something to do with the shootout. Crossing paths somewhere in some post season situation would change that of course.

The only concern here should be the possibility of them making it 2 straight with a Cintas win next year.

[XUGRAD80]

Back to the original title of this thread……..it would appear that Arkansas doesn’t agree.

[MHettel]

Read an article today about the SEC. 2 things I took away

1). They have money, something like 30 of the top 50 transfers went to the SEC. Not too hard to realize (or predict) that money will translate directly into success.

2) they brought in Mike Trangresse (spelling?) the old commish of the Big East as a consultant a few years ago. No surprise that they cracked the code on non-con scheduling with cupcake city. That was the BE playbook back in the RPI era and 2005-2010 ish.

[GoMuskies]

SEC schools played 78 OOC games against power 5 opponents (and a combined 5 more against Memphis and Gonzaga, which are power programs playing in mid-major leagues). In what sense do you think that is cupcake city scheduling?

[xubrew]

SEC schools played 78 OOC games against power 5 opponents (and a combined 5 more against Memphis and Gonzaga, which are power programs playing in mid-major leagues). In what sense do you think that is cupcake city scheduling?

I think they played more top 50 NET teams OOC than any other multi-bid league. It was close to 50 total. And they won 2/3rds of them.

[MHettel]

SEC schools played 78 OOC games against power 5 opponents (and a combined 5 more against Memphis and Gonzaga, which are power programs playing in mid-major leagues). In what sense do you think that is cupcake city scheduling?

The SEC has 16 teams. The bottom 7 went 70-11 with an average SOS of 270.

You say (78+5=) 83 games in the non conference were against Power teams. 83/16=5.2 games per SEC team. They played 13 games each. So basically 8 cupcake wins per team, then win more than half against the power teams. Also, DePaul is considered a “power team” in this assessment. And so it SHU, and name a handful of other teams. If you can add Gonzaga and Memphis, then you should subtract the dregs of the power 5.

Anyway, the SEC has the top 4, safe 5, the bubble 5, and the awful 2.

The bubble 5 and awful 2 had cupcake Non-conference schedules and went 2-20 against the top 4.

Why should they get ANY benefit of just being in the same conference as the top 4?

Here is the season for UT, Ark, Vandy, Ok, and Georgia:

Schedule 10 cupcake wins.
Schedule 3 tough games, hope to win 1 or 2.
Just get to 7-11 in conference.
Try to get one decent scalp in conference
Beat another fraud 7-11 team in the SEC tourney.
Punch your ticket.

At this point, I kinda want XU to get the play in game. Put a fucking beating on Texas or Oklahoma or Arkansas. Then I want a first round game against Missouri or MSU or ole miss. Then a shot an SEC one seed.

Well, be probably get slaughtered by a SEC 1 seed, but you get my point

[Xville]

The SEC has 16 teams. The bottom 7 went 70-11 with an average SOS of 270.

You say (78+5=) 83 games in the non conference were against Power teams. 83/16=5.2 games per SEC team. They played 13 games each. So basically 8 cupcake wins per team, then win more than half against the power teams. Also, DePaul is considered a “power team” in this assessment. And so it SHU, and name a handful of other teams. If you can add Gonzaga and Memphis, then you should subtract the dregs of the power 5.

Anyway, the SEC has the top 4, safe 5, the bubble 5, and the awful 2.

The bubble 5 and awful 2 had cupcake Non-conference schedules and went 2-20 against the top 4.

Why should they get ANY benefit of just being in the same conference as the top 4?

Here is the season for UT, Ark, Vandy, Ok, and Georgia:

Schedule 10 cupcake wins.
Schedule 3 tough games, hope to win 1 or 2.
Just get to 7-11 in conference.
Try to get one decent scalp in conference
Beat another fraud 7-11 team in the SEC tourney.
Punch your ticket.

At this point, I kinda want XU to get the play in game. Put a fucking beating on Texas or Oklahoma or Arkansas. Then I want a first round game against Missouri or MSU or ole miss. Then a shot an SEC one seed.

Well, be probably get slaughtered by a SEC 1 seed, but you get my point


While I'm not advocating for teams with 6-12 and 7-11 in conference to get into the dance, I get it.

What you described with cupcakes, 1-3 tough games in non-con etc is what every single power conference team does. The main difference this year is that the bottom and middle of the SEC won most if not all those "cupcake" games and beat the middling power 5 teams, and the top of their league is elite. Big East for the most part in the middle and bottom, lost too many of those games that you described.

Providence: losses to Davidson, St. Bonaventure, and Rhode Island
Butler: losses to Austin Peay, NDSU
Seton Hall: Losses to Fordham, Monmouth, Ok State, Hofstra
Villanova: losses to Columbia, Virginia, St. Joe's

It's frustrating but the SEC did what they needed to do in the non-con in the middle and bottom of the league. The Big East didn't. I'm more pissed that the four teams mentioned above that did nothing to help the league. Georgetown the same with getting blasted by a shit ND team, and Depaul losing to anyone with a pulse.

[MHettel]

While I'm not advocating for teams with 6-12 and 7-11 in conference to get into the dance, I get it.

What you described with cupcakes, 1-3 tough games in non-con etc is what every single power conference team does. The main difference this year is that the bottom and middle of the SEC won most if not all those "cupcake" games and beat the middling power 5 teams, and the top of their league is elite. Big East for the most part in the middle and bottom, lost too many of those games that you described.

Providence: losses to Davidson, St. Bonaventure, and Rhode Island
Butler: losses to Austin Peay, NDSU
Seton Hall: Losses to Fordham, Monmouth, Ok State, Hofstra
Villanova: losses to Columbia, Virginia, St. Joe's

It's frustrating but the SEC did what they needed to do in the non-con in the middle and bottom of the league. The Big East didn't. I'm more pissed that the four teams mentioned above that did nothing to help the league. Georgetown the same with getting blasted by a shit ND team, and Depaul losing to anyone with a pulse.

20 game conference schedule for the BE vs 18 for the SEC.

The SEC was able to schedule 2 addition non con cupcakes and that could translate to up to 32 more wins for the conference. As opposed to 16 wins and 16 losses had they played those games against each other

[Xville]

20 game conference schedule for the BE vs 18 for the SEC.

The SEC was able to schedule 2 addition non con cupcakes and that could translate to up to 32 more wins for the conference. As opposed to 16 wins and 16 losses had they played those games against each other

Yeah certainly understand the number of league games being something. At the end of the day though, sec won their games. Big East didn’t or at least the middle and bottom didn’t.

While an 18 game schedule I can understand being enticing, the round robin is so awesome that I’m not sure if I’d give it up for two more cupcakes. Doubt the season ticket holders would. Big East needs to do better in the non-con.

[Xavier]

Give me the round robin. If X is continually a bubble team under Sean then we move on. Plus once tournament expands (lame) I would much rather have round robin then try to placate a way to get Villanova in as the 75th team.

Now if/when (?) big east expands, you can’t have 22+ conference games.

[Xville]

Give me the round robin. If X is continually a bubble team under Sean then we move on. Plus once tournament expands (lame) I would much rather have round robin then try to placate a way to get Villanova in as the 75th team.

Now if/when (?) big east expands, you can’t have 22+ conference games.

Agreed. If the big East expands just go to 18. I did see the big 12 is going to an 18 game schedule either next year or the following. I’d expect big ten and acc to follow soon

[xubrew]

If UConn decides to move on, just don’t replace them. It was pointed out when they joined that the 20 game conference schedule would put a dent in the metrics. And it did.

[GoMuskies]

And it was obviously worth it to have them in the league in exchange for a bit of a metrics hit.

[xubrew]

And it was obviously worth it to have them in the league in exchange for a bit of a metrics hit.

Yes, it was. And I was completely wrong when I said the Big East shouldn’t add them. But I also can’t think of any school we’d want to replace them with if they leave. Who else is it that’s likely to go to multiple final fours?

[Xavier]

Gonzaga.

(It doesn’t work for a number of reasons)

[MHettel]

Agreed. If the big East expands just go to 18. I did see the big 12 is going to an 18 game schedule either next year or the following. I’d expect big ten and acc to follow soon

I’ve been saying this shit for years. The SEC has it figured out and now it sounds like others will follow. And yet the BE just sits on its fucking hands and got 3 bids last year and is losing the “net game” this year.

Wake up!