Game Thread: Xavier v University of Connecticut (1/25/2025)

[paulxu]

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CINCINNATI --- The Xavier University Musketeers, 12-8 overall and 4-5 in the BIG EAST Conference, host the No. 19 University of Connecticut Huskies, 14-5 overall and 6-2 in the BIG EAST, on Saturday night at 8 p.m. at Cintas Center. Xavier is coming off an overtime loss at No. 20 St. John's on Wednesday, while UConn is coming off an overtime win at home over Butler on Tuesday.

Xavier is playing its third-straight game against an AP Top 25 team. XU won at then-No. 7 Marquette last Saturday.

THE MATCHUP

XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (12-8, 4-5 BIG EAST)
NO. 19 UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT HUSKIES (14-5, 6-2 BIG EAST)
SATURDAY, JANUARY 25, 2025 AT 8:00 PM ET
CINTAS CENTER, CINCINNATI, OHIO

TV, RADIO AND LIVE STATS

TV/Stream: FOX, including FOX 19 in Cincinnati, with play-by-play from Jason Benetti and analysis from Robbie Hummel.
Xavier Radio: 55KRC-AM with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer Joe Sunderman ('79) and analysis from XU all-time leading scorer and Hall of Famer Byron Larkin ('88). XU broadcast is also available on the Varsity Network and on Sirius XM.
National Radio: Compass Media Network with Tom Ackerman and Mike Wozniak.

Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com (http://Statbroadcast.com) and fan stats at GoXavier.com (http://GoXavier.com).

[GoMuskies]

I will just note that this is a relatively important contest for the Muskies.

[drudy23]

Win please.

[paulxu]

Wednesday night in the Garden. Tomorrow on National Fox.

Nice to be in the BE.

[Xville]

All depends on the health of Swain imo. If he plays and is ready to roll, X wins.

X should be around -1 I think?

[Final4]

All depends on the health of Swain imo. If he plays and is ready to roll, X wins.

X should be around -1 I think?

How is Swain? Please share with us his status for tomorrow's game. You're the self-proclaimed "insider" with all the contacts you must know the details on something as important as this.

[Xville]

How is Swain? Please share with us his status for tomorrow's game. You're the self-proclaimed "insider" with all the contacts you must know the details on something as important as this.

Yeah I’m not a self proclaimed insider so let’s cut the crap. I know of things from time to time based on people I know within the athletic administration.

Shouldn’t you know? You’re a high dollar season ticket holder and know gc personally.

[Xavier]

How is Swain? Please share with us his status for tomorrow's game. You're the self-proclaimed "insider" with all the contacts you must know the details on something as important as this.

Yo….you need to chill lol.

Mcnealy is out. I kinda would be surprised to see swain but if he is even 75% he will need to give it a go. It’s basically all or nothing tomorrow night.

[Final4]

Yeah I’m not a self proclaimed insider so let’s cut the crap. I know of things from time to time based on people I know within the athletic administration.

Comedic gold!!!

[Xville]

Comedic gold!!!

weren't you the one who said Free was out for the year about two days in? yep you were. So, how about just fading back to obscurity and not spreading lies? Apologies you don’t understand the difference between knowing people within the administration and knowing someone on the basketball staff or players. I get told big things from time to time, not the condition of every single players physical health. Not like you, apparently.

[Three Point Pete]

I will just note that this is a relatively important contest for the Muskies.Well, Dayton whipped them by 18 at Hawaii. Surprisingly, Liam played 30 minutes with 0 points! I see no reason why we can't just win this.


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[Lloyd Braun]

If Swain plays (big if even if mild sprain) it would be difficult to be effective. He is not a spot shooter or statue defender. I would be surprised if he plays and even more surprised if he plays and is effective. It’s an important game but I would rest him unless he has zero pain and swelling.

[noteggs]

If Swain plays (big if even if mild sprain) it would be difficult to be effective. He is not a spot shooter or statue defender. I would be surprised if he plays and even more surprised if he plays and is effective. It’s an important game but I would rest him unless he has zero pain and swelling.

I realize all sprains are different. From your medical perspective (granted limited tv view), why do you think this? Pain tolerance? Of course there will be some type of swelling just like Alex had for UConn game this week.

[Lloyd Braun]

I realize all sprains are different. From your medical perspective (granted limited tv view), why do you think this? Pain tolerance? Of course there will be some type of swelling just like Alex had for UConn game this week.

Replay I saw he rolled it pretty good. He was in a lot of pain initially so I would imagine probably more than a grade 1 sprain. That is usually more than just a pain tolerance as it is usually not fully stable with certain movements. You have to tape it so tight it is tough to play basketball on. I have no inside info so I could be wrong but 72 hours is not a lot of time even with the best treatments.

Here is the injury (https://x.com/stjohnsbball/status/1882245821858726118?s=46&t=-A4DJpmuSN2OI01wKOmz3g). He rolled it on Davion’s foot.

[Xville]

From what I have been told, barring some kind of setback, he’s playing

[drudy23]

Tape it up and pop some Advil. Did it for 30 years. Of course, I can barely walk now, but he's much younger than me.

For the love of the game.

[Lloyd Braun]

From what I have been told, barring some kind of setback, he’s playing

Yea that’s the word. Hopefully he is effective and doesn’t make it worse.

Cue the Bud Kilmer “give him the shot” scene.

[Strange Brew]

Yea that’s the word. Hopefully he is effective and doesn’t make it worse.

Cue the Bud Kilmer “give him the shot” scene.

“Hey Coach, I heard a pop. I…you know, I think he’s hurt pretty bad.”

Haven’t watched that movie in years. :)

[HenryMuto]

Must win today

[Nigel Tufnel]

Tape it up and pop some Advil. Did it for 30 years. Of course, I can barely walk now, but he's much younger than me.

For the love of the game.

You and me both, brother. Feet, ankles, knees, hips. Kremcheck told me when I was 20 that I’d be crippled by 65. Shitty thing to say to a 20 year. Unfortunately, the prick was right…but it happened 15 years earlier.

[Xville]

No boc, swain in. X -1.5. X with the win and the cover. Mark it down!

[drudy23]

I expect all to be fully lubricated at tip-off.

No excuse, primetime weekend tip at home vs. UConn. Loud and proud tonight. You wanna sit on your hands, give the tickets up.

[Xville]

I expect all to be fully lubricated at tip-off.

No excuse, primetime weekend tip at home vs. UConn. Loud and proud tonight. You wanna sit on your hands, give the tickets up.

100%. Place needs to be out of their effing mind tonight. Check out what Providence was like today, I’ll take a Providence lite even.

[Three Point Pete]

No boc, swain in. X -1.5. X with the win and the cover. Mark it down!So shall it be written, so shall it be done, take it easy Yul Brynner!

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[Xville]

Swain is so damn good. You imagine what he’s going to look like next year? Holy smokes

[xukeith]

Looking good after first war. Can Swain's ankle keep this performance going? Nice defense and solid rebounding.

[Lloyd Braun]

Swain is so damn good. You imagine what he’s going to look like next year? Holy smokes

Me: I would be shocked if he was effective today.

lol

[Xville]

Free is playing like shit. Trying to do way too much and killing the team quite frankly. He need to get his head in the game

[GoMuskies]

Best game of Swain's life?

[Xville]

Cintas sounds on tv like it’s about to fucking explode. Love it

[Xville]

Best game of Swain's life?

Last few games you’ve seen flashes. Guy is going to be an nba player if he keeps progressing

[GoMuskies]

Not a good stretch there.

[Xville]

Not loving the defense. It’s been pretty shitty for ten minutes now

[Xville]

Freemantle and dayvion with garbage halves. Very disappointing from guys who have played a shit ton of basketball. Poor d, bad decision making and way too many shots. Aidan fucking Mahaney working you, Dayvion? Really?

[GoMuskies]

Wild game. Fun.

[Xville]

Not great that x is shooting almost 50% from 3, over 55% from the field and still losing. Defense has to be better

[xudash]

Freemantle and dayvion with garbage halves. Very disappointing from guys who have played a shit ton of basketball. Poor d, bad decision making and way too many shots. Aidan fucking Mahaney working you, Dayvion? Really?

Maybe Mahaney shot his wad with that near logo three.

[GoMuskies]

X still favored by 1.

[Xville]

Give swain the goddamn ball every trip down until he misses one

[Xville]

Stop fucking helping free. You are way too slow on recovery to do that. My gawd as good as he is offensively he’s still so bad on defense

[GoMuskies]

That McKnight 3 was a terrible shot. Thank God it went down.

[Xville]

About 16 minutes left to decide if x wants to continue making this season interesting or not

[xudash]

Conwell needs to step up. Right now.

[GoMuskies]

I'd go to the Crown. Not sure I'd go to the games, but I'd go to Vegas.

[GoMuskies]

A Hunter sighting! Nice.

[Xville]

Hey hunter! Welcome to the season!

[GoMuskies]

Send it in Jerome!

[paulxu]

Please win this game. Hurley is almost as obnoxious as Cronin.

[GoMuskies]

Maddox loves playing UConn!

[Xville]

Stop shooting threes free.

[Xville]

Thank you Maddox! Great game from him… why doesn’t he do this every game?

[Xville]

Now all of a sudden everything is a foul. Let them play for almost thirty minutes and now this

[GoMuskies]

Conwell missed the open dagger.

[Xville]

Dumb foul there by hunter. Just let him go man

[Xville]

Liking Davion’s assertiveness last couple of possessions.

[GoMuskies]

Hunter fouling out would be fine. Not worried about that.

[GoMuskies]

Terrible foul call on Reed. I am okay with it.

[GoMuskies]

4 straight missed FTs may haunt.

[Xville]

Hunter fouling out would be fine. Not worried about that.

I disagree. It’s probably been his best game all year.

[Xville]

Maddox!!!

[GoMuskies]

I disagree. It’s probably been his best game all year.

Which means he's done.

[Xville]

Freemantle stop fucking shooting threes!!! Go to the rim

[GoMuskies]

What did you say about Free and 3s?

[paulxu]

Our leading scorer is having a off night. Other wise we'd be way ahead.

[Xville]

Maddox!!!! Again!

[GoMuskies]

Maddox loves UConn.

[Xville]

Hell of a play there by conwell!

[Xville]

Come on fucking step on their neck!!!

[paulxu]

Come on guys; don't let this slip away. You can do it !

[GoMuskies]

Think Conwell got bailed out there, and i like it.

[Xville]

Smart as hell play there by conwell. He’s been taken out of this game offensively but he’s done a few things that impact winning that don’t necessarily show up on the stat sheet

[xudash]

Deep breath, and we need to make our free throws for the rest of the way.

[Xville]

It’s winning time. Execute

[Xville]

And stupid plays down the stretch again

[GoMuskies]

Smart as hell play there by conwell. He’s been taken out of this game offensively but he’s done a few things that impact winning that don’t necessarily show up on the stat sheet

Then he did THAT.

[Xville]

And free saves the day!!! Thank gawd

[GoMuskies]

Free!!!!!

[GoMuskies]

We're blowing it.

[Xville]

Another stupid mental decision. Ffs our guys have horrible basketball iq at end of games. It’s freaking astonishing with how much bb they have all played the amount of mental breakdowns they have

[Xville]

Finish a fucking game for once. Gawd damn.

[xudash]

So, now it’s winning time. Scoring and a stop.

[GoMuskies]

Brutal

[Xville]

I miss guards who could hit the tear drop. I dunno why Dayvion never learned that shot with the size that he is

[GoMuskies]

No 3 please

Can't believe Ball missed that shot.

[Xville]

Another end game where we are just hoping the other team can’t make a shot. For an old ass roster, x has trouble closing out games.

[GoMuskies]

Great D!

(That's what she said)

[Xville]

With that said, hell of a defensive finish! Now get the damn ball in and make the free throws

[Xville]

Please make your free throws. Please

[GoMuskies]

Win.

[Strange Brew]

Huge win!

[Xville]

Thank you baby jesus!

[paulxu]

Thank you Muskies!

[Xville]

Props to hunter and Maddox! X doesn’t win without both of them tonight. Hell of a response from them both after the game against sju

[SkyWalker]

Recap tomorrow, BORNXAVIER with a perfect score.

[Xville]

So shall it be written, so shall it be done, take it easy Yul Brynner!

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Never a doubt :)

[American X]

Will this victory hurt our moral victory ratings?

[GoMuskies]

We're probably within last 2 or 3 out now after being nowhere close to the bubble. Setting up for a surprisingly fun February.

[Three Point Pete]

Please win this game. Hurley is almost as obnoxious as Cronin.We did win, and we probably saved our season. Hurley is more annoying than Cronin,but he has better teeth[emoji16]

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[muskiefan82]

We did win, and we probably saved our season. Hurley is more annoying than Cronin,but he has better teeth[emoji16]

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Hurleys saving grace is that he is at least decent to the other team AFTER the game.

[xukeith]

Just saw post game press with X players. Apparantly Zach has never lost when played vs UConn. Nice stat.

[Xville]

Hurleys saving grace is that he is at least decent to the other team AFTER the game.

His sideline antics are a little much but the guy is one hell of a coach. He never throws his players under the bus ala Cronin, and always gives props to the opposition. Gave swain and Cintas big praise and I respect the he’ll out of that. I for one am glad he reps the conference the way he does. It’s needed especially with such a weak ass commissioner as far as branding/marketing

[Xavier]

I think he was out coached tonight by Sean.

Anyways, Swain is really coming on. For those mad (myself included) that feel like he wasn’t improving/ he is shutting us up. He tweaked his ankle again early in the 2nd. Not sure if it was talked about here, but he was limping a lot. They were sitting him and not really running thru him at all in the 2nd. His offensive board in the last minute was huge.

We are an overall solid FT shooting team until it matters. Maddening. We missed 4 straight FTs at one point. As for Hurley, he had a lot of good things to say about Cintas after the game.

[bjf123]

Great win! Y’all can thank me for it. A friend won the raffle benefiting the cheerleaders earlier this year for a suite for this game. My wife and I started watching the game from there, but when UConn took the lead late in the first half and had it and the half, I decided we needed to be in our seats for the second half. You’re welcome!

For those who’ve complained about the crowd, how’d we do tonight? It was loud! My ears are still ringing. Also, I think there might be an email going out to the students from Dr. Hanycz about the “Fuck Dan Hurley” cheer that kept coming up. I’m guessing she wasn’t happy about it.


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[xukeith]

Great win! Y’all can thank me for it. A friend won the raffle benefiting the cheerleaders earlier this year for a suite for this game. My wife and I started watching the game from there, but when UConn took the lead late in the first half and had it and the half, I decided we needed to be in our seats for the second half. You’re welcome!

For those who’ve complained about the crowd, how’d we do tonight? It was loud! My ears are still ringing. Also, I think there might be an email going out to the students from Dr. Hanycz about the “Fuck Dan Hurley” cheer that kept coming up. I’m guessing she wasn’t happy about it.


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How long did it take you to arrive and park vs time to leave and get out of traffic?
1 hour each?

[Xville]

Great win! Y’all can thank me for it. A friend won the raffle benefiting the cheerleaders earlier this year for a suite for this game. My wife and I started watching the game from there, but when UConn took the lead late in the first half and had it and the half, I decided we needed to be in our seats for the second half. You’re welcome!

For those who’ve complained about the crowd, how’d we do tonight? It was loud! My ears are still ringing. Also, I think there might be an email going out to the students from Dr. Hanycz about the “Fuck Dan Hurley” cheer that kept coming up. I’m guessing she wasn’t happy about it.


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Thank you!

Regarding the crowd. Sean praises it when it’s deserved as he did tonight. However, he has made several subtle statements throughout the year about the lack of enthusiasm from the crowd. It’s easy to have that kind of atmosphere against back to back champs. Not that I’m Asking it to be like last night, but Can x bring it when it’s Gtown, creighton and Providence coming down the stretch? We need to win out at home, we need the crowd engaged.

[Section 200]

Thank you!

Regarding the crowd. Sean praises it when it’s deserved as he did tonight. However, he has made several subtle statements throughout the year about the lack of enthusiasm from the crowd. It’s easy to have that kind of atmosphere against back to back champs. Not that I’m Asking it to be like last night, but Can x bring it when it’s Gtown, creighton and Providence coming down the stretch? We need to win out at home, we need the crowd engaged.

It just comes down to: are the students on campus? It was tough scheduling for us that students were on break for Marquette and St John's (Seton Hall was fine w/o students). We had big crowds for Marquette and St John's but putting non-students in the student section completely changes the building. Unlikely that you get a bunch of families to cheer F Dan Hurley. I think Spring Break is Big Tournament Week this year.

[Xavier]

Meh. I don’t think it is just a case of students being there or not this year. But it definitely is the biggest factor. Heard there was a lot of issues with parking again. Total shit show this year.

Sean changing the defense to blow up the last play was great. They did that in another big game but can’t remember which one. Regardless, it was awesome.

[bjf123]

How long did it take you to arrive and park vs time to leave and get out of traffic?
1 hour each?

Arriving was a piece of cake, but we got there about 7:00, so traffic was a nonissue. After the game, we went back to the suite the friends had and hung out for a little while. Still took a long time to get out of the lot (R3). Leaving didn’t seem any worse than after any close game with a packed house.


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[Section 200]

Meh. I don’t think it is just a case of students being there or not this year. But it definitely is the biggest factor. Heard there was a lot of issues with parking again. Total shit show this year.

Sean changing the defense to blow up the last play was great. They did that in another big game but can’t remember which one. Regardless, it was awesome.

Parking issues are back to what they always were - X should get credit for quickly backtracking on the terrible changes they tried in November. People just like to complain.

[Xville]

X drops two spots in the net after beating the #35 team lol. The net is a joke

[Xavier]

Parking issues are back to what they always were - X should get credit for quickly backtracking on the terrible changes they tried in November. People just like to complain.

I get to the game like an hour and 15 min before hand, so I didn’t have any issues either. Just going off what people around me said.

[Xavier]

X drops two spots in the net after beating the #35 team lol. The net is a joke

Also dropped one in kenpom but we won by what they would expect so didn’t think we’d see much change there. Some bracketologist have said they are firmly in the last four/first four conversations now.

I really don’t know- are we rooting for UConn to get healthy and beat Marquette/johnnies so it’s possible they move to a Q1, or lose so we jump them in standings?

[Section 200]

Also dropped one in kenpom but we won by what they would expect so didn’t think we’d see much change there. Some bracketologist have said they are firmly in the last four/first four conversations now.

I really don’t know- are we rooting for UConn to get healthy and beat Marquette/johnnies so it’s possible they move to a Q1, or lose so we jump them in standings?

yes! We want both!

[xudash]

In watching a replay of last night‘s game, I noticed at the end that Trey Green was going through the post-game handshake line.

Does anyone know his exact status? Pardon me if this has been covered and I missed it.

[XUGRAD80]

In watching a replay of last night‘s game, I noticed at the end that Trey Green was going through the post-game handshake line.

Does anyone know his exact status? Pardon me if this has been covered and I missed it.

He is still a member of the team, and is enrolled in school, but is not practicing and is listed as inactive for medical reasons. It is expected that at the end of the season that he will apply for a medical redshirt year and then transfer with 3 years of eligibility left.

[Section 200]

He is still a member of the team, and is enrolled in school, but is not practicing and is listed as inactive for medical reasons. It is expected that at the end of the season that he will apply for a medical redshirt year and then transfer with 3 years of eligibility left.

Would Sean let him stay on the team if he is planning to transfer? It is an unusual situation.

[muskiefan82]

He is still a member of the team, and is enrolled in school, but is not practicing and is listed as inactive for medical reasons. It is expected that at the end of the season that he will apply for a medical redshirt year and then transfer with 3 years of eligibility left.
Does he still practice with the team?

[XUGRAD80]

Does he still practice with the team?

No

[xudash]

Would Sean let him stay on the team if he is planning to transfer? It is an unusual situation.

Interesting.

Those key FT’s he made are now more relevant.

[XUGRAD80]

Would Sean let him stay on the team if he is planning to transfer? It is an unusual situation.

From what I understand…….It’s a mutual decision. There seems to be a misconception by many people that transfers always involve either players or coaches that are upset with the other. That’s not the case in this situation. Both sides understand the realities and neither side is upset with the other. But Green wants to play and he’s not going to get the playing time he craves if he stays at X. It doesn’t hurt for him to remain on the team, but inactive, and it’s reflects well on Sean and how he treats the players. Green doesn’t travel with the team and only sits on the end of the bench for home games. Evidently he is well liked by everyone in the program and causes no problems or dissension.

[MHettel]

From what I understand…….It’s a mutual decision. There seems to be a misconception by many people that transfers always involve either players or coaches that are upset with the other. That’s not the case in this situation. Both sides understand the realities and neither side is upset with the other. But Green wants to play and he’s not going to get the playing time he craves if he stays at X. It doesn’t hurt for him to remain on the team, but inactive, and it’s reflects well on Sean and how he treats the players. Green doesn’t travel with the team and only sits on the end of the bench for home games. Evidently he is well liked by everyone in the program and causes no problems or dissension.

Does he get NIL money?

Cause my willingness to accept your post depends on that answer

[xudash]

From what I understand…….It’s a mutual decision. There seems to be a misconception by many people that transfers always involve either players or coaches that are upset with the other. That’s not the case in this situation. Both sides understand the realities and neither side is upset with the other. But Green wants to play and he’s not going to get the playing time he craves if he stays at X. It doesn’t hurt for him to remain on the team, but inactive, and it’s reflects well on Sean and how he treats the players. Green doesn’t travel with the team and only sits on the end of the bench for home games. Evidently he is well liked by everyone in the program and causes no problems or dissension.

Damn. I love this response. Class moves all around.

[XUGRAD80]

Does he get NIL money?

Cause my willingness to accept your post depends on that answer

Unknown. That has been asked but nobody in the know seems to be willing to say.

IMO though, it’s nobody’s business but theirs. He is still on scholarship and any NIL money was already budgeted for, so it’s not like it’s an extra expense. It may not be how someone else might run their business and treat their employees, but I can see a case for continuing to pay someone in this situation, and I can see a case where they wouldn’t. This is a strange new world for many in the profession and everyone is going to have to make decisions along this line that they never had to consider before. Before judging, everyone should stop and think what it would be like if after 20 years of being a manager in their own line of work the rules were completely changed overnight. How would they adjust and change their way of doing business? What mistakes would they make? What new things would they learn? Heck, I know in my own case that some of the decisions I made in my management career are not the same decisions I would make today. Especially some of the decisions about some of the people that worked for me. They can’t go “by the book” anymore because “the book” keeps changing and getting rewritten. I’m not going to sit in the cheap seats and judge or criticize every decision made by those in the arena. They are dealing with things that they have never had to deal with before and are just kinda figuring it out as they go. There’s nobody there to show them they way because this is all new for everyone and it seemingly changes everyday. I’m glad I’m not in their place, because I darn well know that I’d make my fair share of mistakes along the way.

[Xville]

Meh. I don’t think it is just a case of students being there or not this year. But it definitely is the biggest factor. Heard there was a lot of issues with parking again. Total shit show this year.

Sean changing the defense to blow up the last play was great. They did that in another big game but can’t remember which one. Regardless, it was awesome.

Agreed! Since the first St. Johns game, the defense has been the biggest improvement. X isn't perfect on defense certainly, but the effort and intensity on that side of the ball since that game has been tremendous. If they keep that level of effort, I feel good about doing enough to make the tournament.

Good thing for X that Swain had such a good game...maybe bad thing for X, 15 NBA scouts also saw Swain have such a good game lol.

[nuts4xu]

Does he get NIL money?

Cause my willingness to accept your post depends on that answer

My understanding is Trey is getting his (or has already received his) NIL payments.

He can't practice with the team because he is seeking a medical redshirt.

It sounds like everyone is playing nice with each other and keeping things above board.

Xavier handled the pending transfers of Kam Craft and Reid Ducharme last year in similar fashion.

[Xville]

My understanding is Trey is getting his (or has already received his) NIL payments.

He can't practice with the team because he is seeking a medical redshirt.

It sounds like everyone is playing nice with each other and keeping things above board.

Xavier handled the pending transfers of Kam Craft and Reid Ducharme last year in similar fashion.

Fine with me. Both sides understand that this is just not the level for him, and that’s ok. It’s also good for miller to do this for future players/recruits. I’m sure this kind of stuff gets around, and you want a coach and administration to have your back even if things don’t work out.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Fine with me. Both sides understand that this is just not the level for him, and that’s ok. It’s also good for miller to do this for future players/recruits. I’m sure this kind of stuff gets around, and you want a coach and administration to have your back even if things don’t work out.

This has been discussed previously but your statement is opinion not fact. There are players, including Trey Green, who have been on our roster since Miller arrived, transferred out and are quite capable of "playing at this level". I don't believe Miller has done a great job of managing the roster over the last couple of years. Not saying that I don't appreciate that Miller is our coach but not all his decisions have worked out.

[Xville]

This has been discussed previously but your statement is opinion not fact. There are players, including Trey Green, who have been on our roster since Miller arrived, transferred out and are quite capable of "playing at this level". I don't believe Miller has done a great job of managing the roster over the last couple of years. Not saying that I don't appreciate that Miller is our coach but not all his decisions have worked out.

Who are all these players that have left that can play at this level since miller got here? As far as playing level, it’s millers’ opinion and all the people that have left other than Claude (who wanted to be the lead guard) haven’t been able to play this level. So, I’ll trust him.

Green was a Steele recruit and I think miller was doing him a solid to see if he could develop into a be player, and it just didn’t work out.

I think it's fair to say that some talent evaluation/scouting have been questionable in quite a few cases though.

[muskiefan82]

Good thing for X that Swain had such a good game...maybe bad thing for X, 15 NBA scouts also saw Swain have such a good game lol.

If you are a scout and didn't know who Swain was before this game, you might not be a great scout.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not too worried about Swain leaving the college ranks until he learns to shoot. I'd be more concerned about some high-dollar NIL donors at UNC and Kentucky, etc. watching that game on Fox and getting some ideas on how they could spend some of their cash.

[Xville]

If you are a scout and didn't know who Swain was before this game, you might not be a great scout.

True, but he's probably the main reason why scouts were there in a first place, and he showed out. Well, him and Karaban of course.

[XUGRAD80]

This has been discussed previously but your statement is opinion not fact. There are players, including Trey Green, who have been on our roster since Miller arrived, transferred out and are quite capable of "playing at this level". I don't believe Miller has done a great job of managing the roster over the last couple of years. Not saying that I don't appreciate that Miller is our coach but not all his decisions have worked out.

With all due respect……care to name the players that transferred out of X and have landed at other high major schools and found playing time? I think that list begins and ends with Claude, but I might be forgetting someone.

[XUMIOH12]

With all due respect……care to name the players that transferred out of X and have landed at other high major schools and found playing time? I think that list begins and ends with Claude, but I might be forgetting someone.

Technically, you could say Ousmane. Wouldn't advocate for him being a major loss, even though we could have ended up using him this year.

[Xville]

Technically, you could say Ousmane. Wouldn't advocate for him being a major loss, even though we could have ended up using him this year.

I stand corrected on him. that one is certainly fair and I completely forgot about him. He'd be a nice addition to this roster since Traore went down...I do wonder what those conversations were...if Sean told him he'd be a backup and he didn't want that, or Sean just said see ya.

[XUGRAD80]

Technically, you could say Ousmane. Wouldn't advocate for him being a major loss, even though we could have ended up using him this year.

Was just going to edit my post, after doing some more looking, to include him. Seems he is averaging 18 mins a game, and 12/6. Yes, X could use him but I think that if he was here Travore wouldn’t be. At the end of last season there weren’t many people that saw his loss as a big deal. By the way, his school, OSU is 10-9 overall and 2-6 in the Big12. Not a very good roster.

[GoMuskies]

Are we talking about contributing or being a difference maker? Because Odom could obviously contribute at the Big East level. He did, in fact. I'm sure Craft could also be a contributor. Neither of those guys would be difference makers, though.

[XUMIOH12]

I stand corrected on him. that one is certainly fair and I completely forgot about him. He'd be a nice addition to this roster since Traore went down...I do wonder what those conversations were...if Sean told him he'd be a backup and he didn't want that, or Sean just said see ya.

He didn't want to be a backup, and also wanted more money (allegedly). Not sure there was much common ground there, since Miller was intending on finding an upgrade at Center regardless. Unfortunate how it worked out with Traore getting injured and Hugley turning out to be a worthless player thus far.

[XUMIOH12]

Are we talking about contrinbuting or being a difference maker? Because Odom could obviously contribute at the Big East level. He did, in fact. I'm sure Craft could also be a contributor. Neither of those guys would be difference makers, though.

Exactly. Aside from Claude, we haven't lost anyone actually worthwhile recently.

[muskieindent]

Swain is starting to show what all the hype was about .He finally is starting to become aggressive on offense and he's been good with that shot inside the lane.Key for this team is getting quality minutes from Hunter and Maddux.They were the difference Saturday

[noteggs]

Who are all these players that have left that can play at this level since miller got here? As far as playing level, it’s millers’ opinion and all the people that have left other than Claude (who wanted to be the lead guard) haven’t been able to play this level. So, I’ll trust him.

Green was a Steele recruit and I think miller was doing him a solid to see if he could develop into a be player, and it just didn’t work out.

I think it's fair to say that some talent evaluation/scouting have been questionable in quite a few cases though.

FWIW, Miller was hired in March, 2022. X offered Green in July, 2022. Not saying Steele didn’t recruit him, but offer didn’t come until Miller.

[MHettel]

Who are all these players that have left that can play at this level since miller got here? As far as playing level, it’s millers’ opinion and all the people that have left other than Claude (who wanted to be the lead guard) haven’t been able to play this level. So, I’ll trust him.

Green was a Steele recruit and I think miller was doing him a solid to see if he could develop into a be player, and it just didn’t work out.

I think it's fair to say that some talent evaluation/scouting have been questionable in quite a few cases though.

Green was not a Steel recruit.

[Xville]

Green was not a Steel recruit.

Are we sure? I thought he was steele, and then recommitted to miller when he took over. If not, I stand corrected.

If that's the case though and we want to question some of the talent evaluation/advanced scouting by this staff, I think there's some validity to that though.

[GoMuskies]

Sean Miller was hired by Xavier on March 19, 2022.

Trey Green committed to Xavier on August 6, 2022.

[MHettel]

Gytis is putting up big numbers at Hawaii. Not BE level, but on the other hand same conference that Traore came from and we all just assume he’d BE caliber.

Ciani is averaging 11 & 9 in 22 minutes at UIC. I generally doubt that he could come anywhere near those numbers in the Big East. He seems to be at the right level.

Craft is productive in the MAC.

[XUGRAD80]

EVERY program has players that they recruit that just don’t work out. Recruiting is a complete crapshoot and there are very very few can’t miss players. I don’t hold it against any coach when they miss a few. When it becomes a pattern of having many more misses than they do have hits, that’s a problem. Most of the guys that Miller brought in for LAST year didn’t work out. Most of the guys he brought in for this year, have. A few he brought in for next year, and the jury is still out on them. Let’s just have a great final 2 months to this year, and let the future seasons take care of themselves.

[Xville]

EVERY program has players that they recruit that just don’t work out. Recruiting is a complete crapshoot and there are very very few can’t miss players. I don’t hold it against any coach when they miss a few. When it becomes a pattern of having many more misses than they do have hits, that’s a problem. Most of the guys that Miller brought in for LAST year didn’t work out. Most of the guys he brought in for this year, have. A few he brought in for next year, and the jury is still out on them. Let’s just have a great final 2 months to this year, and let the future seasons take care of themselves.

While this is fair, they missed on 3 of the 4 that class. Hoping the incoming freshman are both impact guys

[drudy23]

EVERY program has players that they recruit that just don’t work out. Recruiting is a complete crapshoot and there are very very few can’t miss players. I don’t hold it against any coach when they miss a few. When it becomes a pattern of having many more misses than they do have hits, that’s a problem. Most of the guys that Miller brought in for LAST year didn’t work out. Most of the guys he brought in for this year, have. A few he brought in for next year, and the jury is still out on them. Let’s just have a great final 2 months to this year, and let the future seasons take care of themselves.

The numbers of recruits that didn't pan out at X since Mack left is staggering. Crazy staggering, like 80-90%.

[XUGRAD80]

While this is fair, they missed on 3 of the 4 that class. Hoping the incoming freshman are both impact guys

I’ll be happy if one of them is. But I’ll bet anyone that transfers that are brought in will have more impact next year than either freshman.

[webxu]

It is mind boggling that going back to 2018-19 we have had Freemantle, Jones and Tandy as the only recruits to stick around for 3 or more years.. hopefully Swain will the next but that is not a great track record. Never forget our sweet prince Elijah Tucker!

[XUGRAD80]

I just happened to turn on the TV and saw that there was a 1-hour edition of the Sean Miller Podcast Show on my regular FOX channel. This piqued my interest because those are normally just 1/2 hour and are on FX1/2. It showed practice just before the Nova game and……GREEN is PRACTICING with the SCOUT team. I was under the impression that he wasn’t practicing, but I double checked and sure enough, it’s number 0..Trey Green.

[Xville]

I just happened to turn on the TV and saw that there was a 1-hour edition of the Sean Miller Podcast Show on my regular FOX channel. This piqued my interest because those are normally just 1/2 hour and are on FX1/2. It showed practice just before the Nova game and……GREEN is PRACTICING with the SCOUT team. I was under the impression that he wasn’t practicing, but I double checked and sure enough, it’s number 0..Trey Green.

That's interesting. He was also shown in the locker room after I think the Nova game if I'm not mistaken on the last episode of all-in (which I highly recommend), and he looked genuinely excited about the win and cheering his teammates on. Definitely no hard feelings on either side it looks like, and glad he's still a part of the team in some ways.

[noteggs]

Yeah Trey was at the UConn game as well and on the bench. Not sure he travels with them tho. Didn’t see him at DePaul.

[XUGRAD80]

Yeah Trey was at the UConn game as well and on the bench. Not sure he travels with them tho. Didn’t see him at DePaul.

He does not travel with the team.

[noteggs]

He does not travel with the team.

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[MHettel]

I dont get the medical redshirt thing. Are we just flaunting our disregard of the integrity of what a medical redshirt is actually for?

[bjf123]

I dont get the medical redshirt thing. Are we just flaunting our disregard of the integrity of what a medical redshirt is actually for?

College sports, at least football and basketball, have no integrity.


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[Xavier]

No different than in past when transfer rule was still in place and teams would try to make a ploy for immediate access (IE need to be close to home bc of a sick family member). Using *mental health- it’s basically impossible to disprove. He will be granted medical redshirt.

*it’s certainly possible there is real mental health stuff going on, I have no idea.