Big Recruiting Weekend (Sept. 8-10)

[JTG]

I read a couple articles saying Iowa State is going to be bad, no shot Ncaa squad this season
Maybe this kid figures more room to play, although us having 4 seniors would contradict that line of thought. We're like the kid who can't get the dog to play even with a steak tied to his neck.

[XMuskieFTW]

247 CB shifting towards Iowa State now. Illionis is listed as "cool"...

The people who would be in the know are changing theirs to foggy. Everyone else to ISU. Really can't take it as an indicator at this point.

[BandAid]

Iowa State is a good place to go if you want to transfer in a year or two.

[X Factor]

We're like the kid who can't get the dog to play even with a steak tied to his neck.

Very good analogy. Mack and his staff has flopped on this class.

[XU 87]

Very good analogy. Mack and his staff has flopped on this class.

Relax. They had a top 10 class last year.

[X Factor]

Relax. They had a top 10 class last year.

And one of those kids is already out of the program.

I gave huge credit to Mack and his staff for last year's class, but this year's is not good so far. I expect really good recruiting every year. Some classes will be small, some bigger. We're supposed to take 5 kids in this class, but have struggled to get 2 unranked kids.

I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not a fan of relying on transfers and graduate transfers.

[XMuskieFTW]

And one of those kids is already out of the program.

I gave huge credit to Mack and his staff for last year's class, but this year's is not good so far. I expect really good recruiting every year. Some classes will be small, some bigger. We're supposed to take 5 kids in this class, but have struggled to get 2 unranked kids.

I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not a fan of relying on transfers and graduate transfers.

The loss of Kentrevious and Ridder would've taken our class from #11 to #14. I don't see the problem with transfers? Gonzaga made it to the national championship with a team that was pretty much half transfers. Plus we have a solid rotation of 6 going into 18-19. Get a grad transfer or two to be guys 7 and 8 and we are set. Malcolm Bernard was supposed to be guy #10 or 11 coming into last year and ended up being one of our most important players.

This class has been a miss, but it's also the weakest recruiting class in a long time. It's not as big a deal as it seems.

[paulxu]

I remain befuddled by the way recruiting has developed.
Some 18 year old high school kid has to have an "announce time" and lowers his picks to 3.
Much ado about nothing.
I know we need recruits. I know this is the game. But I don't have to like it.

[muskienick]

And one of those kids is already out of the program.

I gave huge credit to Mack and his staff for last year's class, but this year's is not good so far. I expect really good recruiting every year. Some classes will be small, some bigger. We're supposed to take 5 kids in this class, but have struggled to get 2 unranked kids.

I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not a fan of relying on transfers and graduate transfers.

Traditionally, we have been very fortunate in our selection of transfers (or their selection of Xavier). Most of them have immediately contributed significantly to Xavier's successes going back almost 10 years ago to Drew Lavender. Think Matt Stainbrook, Remy Abell, Jamel McLean, Jordan Crawford, C. J. Anderson, et al.

[XU 87]

And one of those kids is already out of the program.

I gave huge credit to Mack and his staff for last year's class, but this year's is not good so far. I expect really good recruiting every year. Some classes will be small, some bigger. We're supposed to take 5 kids in this class, but have struggled to get 2 unranked kids.

I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not a fan of relying on transfers and graduate transfers.

I suspect you're not a "the glass is half full" kind of guy.

[xavbball]

Well I hope we can get Saddiq Bey.

[XMuskieFTW]

It's just comical at this point. Oh well. We'll be fine.

[xu82]

Well??????

[xu82]

Crap.....

[X Factor]

At least we don't have to worry about recruiting violations.

Mack couldn't pay a kid in this class to commit.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well I hope we can get Saddiq Bey.

I blame Obama....oh

[GIMMFD]

Well. On to the next one I guess. Rough.

[X Factor]

Well. On to the next one I guess. Rough.

We've been saying that all spring, summer, and fall. At this point, we're not in on any ranked kids.

This class, on paper, is a complete miss. Possible 5 schollies to fill and we have two unranked kids.

[muskienick]

Keonte Kennedy is a composite 4-star recruit at a position that will be in dire need next year, With the departures of JP and Tre. Keonte, along with Naji Marshall, Paul Scruggs, Quentin Goodin, and Elias Harden will form an impressive backcourt for the young Muskies in 2018-2019. A starting lineup of Q, Paul, Naji, Kaiser, and Tyrique is very formidable. And, as our coaching staff has proven so often, they will find a way through 5th-year senior transfers or otherwise to provide the team with sufficient depth at the BIGS positions also

[gladdenguy]

Well I hope we can get Saddiq Bey.

Don't count on that. If Saddiq Bey wanted to come to Xavier he would have done so by now. Don't count Miami out for a second go round.

I would take Dontarius James and call it a day with this underwhelming class. It was an absolute shame but I have faith in Chris Mack in the transfer market.

[X Factor]

Keonte Kennedy is a composite 4-star recruit at a position that will be in dire need next year, With the departures of JP and Tre. Keonte, along with Naji Marshall, Paul Scruggs, Quentin Goodin, and Elias Harden will form an impressive backcourt for the young Muskies in 2018-2019. A starting lineup of Q, Paul, Naji, Kaiser, and Tyrique is very formidable. And, as our coaching staff has proven so often, they will find a way through 5th-year senior transfers or otherwise to provide the team with sufficient depth at the BIGS positions also

Where are you coming up with Kennedy being a 4-star recruit? According to Scout/247, Kennedy is ranked #261 nationally and a 3 star prospect. His other offers included, Ga Tech, Va Tech, Memphis, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Texas Tech.

I trust Mack and we need shooters. By all accounts, Keonte is an excellent shooter. Hopefully he develops into an excellent player who has an impact on the court.

Jake Walter is an absolute project, and the kind of kid we used to make fun of Dayton for recruiting. Again, I trust Mack and hopefully Walter turns into a Kenny Frease type player, but I doubt it.

[mistabeecee41]

Where are you coming up with Kennedy being a 4-star recruit? According to Scout/247, Kennedy is ranked #261 nationally and a 3 star prospect. His other offers included, Ga Tech, Va Tech, Memphis, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Texas Tech.

I trust Mack and we need shooters. By all accounts, Keonte is an excellent shooter. Hopefully he develops into an excellent player who has an impact on the court.

Jake Walter is an absolute project, and the kind of kid we used to make fun of Dayton for recruiting. Again, I trust Mack and hopefully Walter turns into a Kenny Frease type player, but I doubt it.

We also have a gigantic gap in the frontcourt. Granted, Naji and Kaiser are both totally capable of playing small ball 4, but the only bigs on our roster are Tyrique and Walter... no bueno.

[muskienick]

Where are you coming up with Kennedy being a 4-star recruit? According to Scout/247, Kennedy is ranked #261 nationally and a 3 star prospect. His other offers included, Ga Tech, Va Tech, Memphis, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Nebraska, Texas Tech.

I trust Mack and we need shooters. By all accounts, Keonte is an excellent shooter. Hopefully he develops into an excellent player who has an impact on the court.

Jake Walter is an absolute project, and the kind of kid we used to make fun of Dayton for recruiting. Again, I trust Mack and hopefully Walter turns into a Kenny Frease type player, but I doubt it.

Try here ---
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/217340/keonte-kennedy
and here ---
https://verbalcommits.com/players/keonte-kennedy
and here ---
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/10/03/xavier-hoops-lands-keonte-kennedy-class-2018-4-star-guard/730122001/

[XMuskieFTW]

Try here ---
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/217340/keonte-kennedy
and here ---
https://verbalcommits.com/players/keonte-kennedy
and here ---
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/10/03/xavier-hoops-lands-keonte-kennedy-class-2018-4-star-guard/730122001/

So ESPN who is terrible with high school basketball recruiting, and two other sites basically citing ESPN :P

[muskienick]

So ESPN who is terrible with high school basketball recruiting, and two other sites basically citing ESPN :P

Congratulations! You have discovered a way to look at the Xavier recruiting situation from a glass half-filled viewpoint. Do you honestly think that the Muskies and Chris Mack & Staff will vary from the 30+ year record of outstanding basketball because they have not yet achieved 2 consecutive top-15 recruiting classes when there are still many months left to set next year's roster? I don't think that anyone, probably even including you, expected an instant repeat of last year's recruiting class. But you should not be surprised when we find that there will be another 1-3 good players added to the roster through late signings and regular and 5th-year senior transfers.

Finally, who made you the designated decider of terribleness in high school recruiting? Certainly, ESPN has lost a bit of its luster for various and sundry reasons, but why would you think they have erred in rating Kennedy when the majority of their player ratings coincide with that of Rivals and Scout? It's all a crap-shoot anyway until the players start competing at the D-1 College Level. Let's not be so critical before we know what we're talking about!

[XU 87]

Even though X has finished second or third on a LOT of recruits, they aren't going to "Plan B" and handing out scholarships to warm bodies to fill the roster next year. If the staff didn't think he is talented enough to play, they wouldn't have recruited him or given him a scholarship.

[GIMMFD]

Even though X has finished second or third on a LOT of recruits, they aren't going to "Plan B" and handing out scholarships to warm bodies to fill the roster next year. If the staff didn't think he is talented enough to play, they wouldn't have recruited him or given him a scholarship.

Bingo. It's a waste to offer a guy who's gonna just ride the pine and not be competitive and establish depth in practice. That guy ends up transferring out anyways. If we're offering someone it may not be a big time player, but it's someone the staff believes can help build the X brand. It's unfortunate the way things have shaped out, but there's still plenty of chances to salvage things with transfers and possibly some hidden projects. I understand it's frustrating this year, but we'll have a good roster still, just will need to figure some things out on the front court side, which Mack has done a good job of getting transfers in for the past what 6-7 years? I have faith we'll figure something out. Seems like we always do.

[X Factor]

Bingo. It's a waste to offer a guy who's gonna just ride the pine and not be competitive and establish depth in practice. That guy ends up transferring out anyways. If we're offering someone it may not be a big time player, but it's someone the staff believes can help build the X brand. It's unfortunate the way things have shaped out, but there's still plenty of chances to salvage things with transfers and possibly some hidden projects. I understand it's frustrating this year, but we'll have a good roster still, just will need to figure some things out on the front court side, which Mack has done a good job of getting transfers in for the past what 6-7 years? I have faith we'll figure something out. Seems like we always do.

Coaches, Mack included, offer guys like that all the time. Griffin McKenzie, Adrion Graves, Brandon Randolph, the list goes on.

I'm more worried about our frontcourt than anything. As someone already pointed out, next year we're looking at Tyrique as our only legitimate post player. ONE guy.

We better really hope Mack can find someone who can help immediately in the the frontcourt next year.

[XU 87]

Coaches, Mack included, offer guys like that all the time. Griffin McKenzie, Adrion Graves, Brandon Randolph, the list goes on.



Every player you list above was highly recruited. Graves and Randolph were both top 100 players. I think McKenzie chose X over Tennessee.

[Juice]

Every player you list above was highly recruited. Graves and Randolph were both top 100 players. I think McKenzie chose X over Tennessee.

And Randolph chose X over Missouri.

[XU 87]

And Randolph chose X over Missouri.

And that was when Missouri was good.

[X Factor]

I just want to know why recruits have been running away from X this year. There's been no less than ten Top 50-100 kids with X in their final 2 or 3 and we haven't been able to land any of them.

It's not as easy as saying we'll just get some transfers or 5th year guys. You have to keep classes balanced and keep an influx of high level talent coming into your program or it will catch up to you.

Whatever, I'm ready for this year to start!

[xu82]

I just want to know why recruits have been running away from X this year. There's been no less than ten Top 50-100 kids with X in their final 2 or 3 and we haven't been able to land any of them.

It's not as easy as saying we'll just get some transfers or 5th year guys. You have to keep classes balanced and keep an influx of high level talent coming into your program or it will catch up to you.

Whatever, I'm ready for this year to start!

...on the bright side, we made the top 2-3 for 10+ top 100 kids! I don’t know why finishing was so hard, but maybe it’s just like a bad run at a blackjack table where you do the right thing , but it just keeps turning out wrong.

[Juice]

I just want to know why recruits have been running away from X this year. There's been no less than ten Top 50-100 kids with X in their final 2 or 3 and we haven't been able to land any of them.

It's not as easy as saying we'll just get some transfers or 5th year guys. You have to keep classes balanced and keep an influx of high level talent coming into your program or it will catch up to you.

Whatever, I'm ready for this year to start!

Well the balance won't be off much since Kaiser is the only guy in his class when we would need 5th year seniors.

[GIMMFD]

...on the bright side, we made the top 2-3 for 10+ top 100 kids! I don’t know why finishing was so hard, but maybe it’s just like a bad run at a blackjack table where you do the right thing , but it just keeps turning out wrong.

Exactly what I was thinking, I'd be worried if next year it was more of the same, but I'm feeling like this year is an anomaly, you roll with the punches and figure it out.

[XU3232]

Saddiq Bey is announcing his decision on Thursday between NC State and X... I'd be shocked if it was X. On the bright side, this nightmare recruiting class is almost over.

[bleedXblue]

Can he announce tomorrow? Seems like Thursdays have been awful

[XMuskieFTW]

Not going to clear my schedule for this one.

[X Factor]

At this point, no one in the college basketball world would pick X to land a kid. It would be pretty easy to have a "crystal ball" when a kid is down to any school and Xavier.

Still not sure how a lot of people just write this year's class as no big deal. We were supposed to take up to five kids. I just have a feeling this subpar class si going to hurt X down the road.

I don't think big time programs can afford to miss on an entire recruiting class, especially when you have scholarships to fill.

[GIMMFD]

At this point, no one in the college basketball world would pick X to land a kid. It would be pretty easy to have a "crystal ball" when a kid is down to any school and Xavier.

Still not sure how a lot of people just write this year's class as no big deal. We were supposed to take up to five kids. I just have a feeling this subpar class si going to hurt X down the road.

I don't think big time programs can afford to miss on an entire recruiting class, especially when you have scholarships to fill.

I mean yeah it's not ideal, but we'll figure it out. We always seem to figure it out. It's frustrating and maddening, but we can't control 18 year old kids.

[X Factor]

I mean yeah it's not ideal, but we'll figure it out. We always seem to figure it out. It's frustrating and maddening, but we can't control 18 year old kids.

Do we always figure it out? Maybe if we landed another Top 15 class, that would prople X to an even greater height.

What if Goodin absolutely blows up and leaves after this year? What if another one of the freshman decide to transfer after this year?

Then we're really screwed with just landing 2, let's face it, lower ranked kids. Walter isn't helping us as a freshman or sophmore. It took Jason Love three years to really improve, and then he was very solid as a senior. Keonte probably won't contribute as a freshman if the roster stays the same. But if the roster changes, he might be forced to.

IMO, we have to be recruiting kids that for the most part, are good enough to come in and play as freshman, and actually have somewhat of an impact.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but this class has been such a colossal disappointment after having so much "momentum" heading into the offseason.

[xu82]

Do we always figure it out? Maybe if we landed another Top 15 class, that would prople X to an even greater height.

What if Goodin absolutely blows up and leaves after this year? What if another one of the freshman decide to transfer after this year?

Then we're really screwed with just landing 2, let's face it, lower ranked kids. Walter isn't helping us as a freshman or sophmore. It took Jason Love three years to really improve, and then he was very solid as a senior. Keonte probably won't contribute as a freshman if the roster stays the same. But if the roster changes, he might be forced to.

IMO, we have to be recruiting kids that for the most part, are good enough to come in and play as freshman, and actually have somewhat of an impact.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but this class has been such a colossal disappointment after having so much "momentum" heading into the offseason.

Relax, Eyore, and take a deep breath. It’s going to be OK. It’s not ideal, but we will be fine.

[GIMMFD]

Do we always figure it out? Maybe if we landed another Top 15 class, that would prople X to an even greater height.

What if Goodin absolutely blows up and leaves after this year? What if another one of the freshman decide to transfer after this year?

Then we're really screwed with just landing 2, let's face it, lower ranked kids. Walter isn't helping us as a freshman or sophmore. It took Jason Love three years to really improve, and then he was very solid as a senior. Keonte probably won't contribute as a freshman if the roster stays the same. But if the roster changes, he might be forced to.

IMO, we have to be recruiting kids that for the most part, are good enough to come in and play as freshman, and actually have somewhat of an impact.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but this class has been such a colossal disappointment after having so much "momentum" heading into the offseason.

Considering Mack is 187-91 with 7 NCAA Tournament appearances, I want to lean towards yes, we always figure it out. Are the Travis Taylor's, Andre Walker's, etc. ideal? No. But somehow we still churn out success. Yes, the end game is to get to the pinnacle, to break down the door to the Final 4, to get a National Championship. This recruiting class isn't ideal, but, I trust our staff, our player development, and so forth in finding a way to make it work. Trust me, it sucks. It does, I'm not saying it doesn't, but doom and gloom won't help the program.

[Juice]

Considering Mack is 187-91 with 7 NCAA Tournament appearances, I want to lean towards yes, we always figure it out. Are the Travis Taylor's, Andre Walker's, etc. ideal? No. But somehow we still churn out success. Yes, the end game is to get to the pinnacle, to break down the door to the Final 4, to get a National Championship. This recruiting class isn't ideal, but, I trust our staff, our player development, and so forth in finding a way to make it work. Trust me, it sucks. It does, I'm not saying it doesn't, but doom and gloom won't help the program.

The way I look at it, X will have a starting lineup of Quentin, Scruggs, Naji, Kaiser, and Tyrique in 2019-2020. Elias Harden may be in there but let's assume he's the 6th man. They will have two incoming freshman in Walter and Kennedy. Walter is supposed to be a project but Kennedy should be able to provide some minutes. So ideally if they can get two transfers to provide meaningful minutes I think X will be alright. Obviously a big man would be needed and with way Scruggs, Naji, and Elias can all mix and match; I think X can pretty much take anyone who can play the 2-4. I don't think PG is a need since Quentin will start there and Scruggs is currently learning the position.

[bleedXblue]

There has to be an underlying reason why recruits are passing on X this year........

Another year next year like this one can set the program back a ways. I think you can mange through one bad recruiting year with some decent transfers and or last minute recruits that may come your way....but not two.

[XMuskieFTW]

There has to be an underlying reason why recruits are passing on X this year........

Another year next year like this one can set the program back a ways. I think you can mange through one bad recruiting year with some decent transfers and or last minute recruits that may come your way....but not two.

Because we have a starting lineup set for the next two years. Top 100 kids want to come in and start right away and as they look at the roster now, that won't happen. You have Q Scruggs Harden Naji and Tyrique through 2020.

[bleedXblue]

Because we have a starting lineup set for the next two years. Top 100 kids want to come in and start right away and as they look at the roster now, that won't happen. You have Q Scruggs Harden Naji and Tyrique through 2020.

Part of me gets that....but another part of me questions this as a lot of big time schools recruit well and get top talent every year.

[Lamont Sanford]

Because we have a starting lineup set for the next two years. Top 100 kids want to come in and start right away and as they look at the roster now, that won't happen. You have Q Scruggs Harden Naji and Tyrique through 2020.

Sorry, but we're also a sprained ankle or dislocated shoulder or blown ACL away from having little to no depth. If you don't think Mack and Co are freaking out about basically striking out in the Class of 2018, you are kidding yourself. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program and they struck out big time in that class. Our only hope will be to find a grad transfer or another transfer at the end of the season as we have done very well in that market in recent years.

[mistabeecee41]

Sorry, but we're also a sprained ankle or dislocated shoulder or blown ACL away from having little to no depth. If you don't think Mack and Co are freaking out about basically striking out in the Class of 2018, you are kidding yourself. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program and they struck out big time in that class. Our only hope will be to find a grad transfer or another transfer at the end of the season as we have done very well in that market in recent years.

correct. the whole 'mack's got the situation under control, i'm not worried' crowd needs to get a grip. as of right now, we don't have enough depth to field a functioning team in 2018-2019.

Q/Goodin/Naji/Kaiser/Jones
????/Kennedy/Harden/????/What's his face who won't be able to contribute

[X Factor]

Because we have a starting lineup set for the next two years. Top 100 kids want to come in and start right away and as they look at the roster now, that won't happen. You have Q Scruggs Harden Naji and Tyrique through 2020.

I just don't buy we're too stacked and Top 100 recruits want to play. There is going to be a lot playing time available next year.


We think we have a starting lineup set for 2 years, but our buttholes were puckered when we thought Trevon was hurt. Kids transfer (Jarred Ridder before even suiting up), players get hurt, etc.

I might be overly pessimistic, but our frontcourt is scary thin next year. Tyrique will be the only true big on the roster besides Walter. :eek:

[UCGRAD4X]

Relax, Eyore, and take a deep breath. It’s going to be OK. It’s not ideal, but we will be fine.

I can't argue that we will be "fine" - what I want to know is - do we want to settle for "fine" or do we want to increase our ability to recruit higher level talent on a more consistent basis and stop being an "almost but not quite" team but a team that gets not to one but multiple FF's and even a NC? If we want to move closer and achieve that kind of success, we are going to need more than "fine".

A year of down recruiting may be ok, but we aren't striving for more than 'ok'?

Trusting in Mack is a realistic and appropriate sentiment (and I do), but concern that this recruiting cycle does not help the team and might even hurt the team if it is not turned around (and the sooner the better) is also not an unrealistic concern. We may not agree to the level of concern, and some seem to or may not be concerned at all. But you should not look at those that at least have a bit of unease that this is not a good thing (and no one should reasonably argue that the present recruiting situation is a 'good thing' and that we all want good things to happen to this team / program).

I think we all want the same thing, for Xavier to excel - to achieve at an even greater level than the recent success, to kick down the door to a BE championship, a FF and NC.

Maybe we will do that despite the recruiting malaise.

[xu82]

I can't argue that we will be "fine" - what I want to know is - do we want to settle for "fine" or do we want to increase our ability to recruit higher level talent on a more consistent basis and stop being an "almost but not quite" team but a team that gets not to one but multiple FF's and even a NC? If we want to move closer and achieve that kind of success, we are going to need more than "fine".

A year of down recruiting may be ok, but we aren't striving for more than 'ok'?

Trusting in Mack is a realistic and appropriate sentiment (and I do), but concern that this recruiting cycle does not help the team and might even hurt the team if it is not turned around (and the sooner the better) is also not an unrealistic concern. We may not agree to the level of concern, and some seem to or may not be concerned at all. But you should not look at those that at least have a bit of unease that this is not a good thing (and no one should reasonably argue that the present recruiting situation is a 'good thing' and that we all want good things to happen to this team / program).

I think we all want the same thing, for Xavier to excel - to achieve at an even greater level than the recent success, to kick down the door to a BE championship, a FF and NC.

Maybe we will do that despite the recruiting malaise.

No question, this has been a bummer to be so close to so many top players and keep missing. I don’t know why we kept striking out, or what could have been done about it. I know that I can’t personally do anything so I’ll trust Mack to make the most out of it, learn from it and keep getting better. We all want the same thing....

[bleedXblue]

No question, this has been a bummer to be so close to so many top players and keep missing. I don’t know why we kept striking out, or what could have been done about it. I know that I can’t personally do anything so I’ll trust Mack to make the most out of it, learn from it and keep getting better. We all want the same thing....

We've been spoiled for several years in a row of really good recruiting.........this year just isn't our year. I look for a really solid class next year and have no doubts Mack & Co will deliver

[XMuskieFTW]

We'll be good come spring. There are always decommitments and a million transfers. And we'll be able to say "hey. We just made an elite 8 and _____ back to back years and had a top 15 team. We have a bunch of minutes available where you can play in a top league with a very talented core of 6 players."

Honestly this class was just a complete fluke. The amount of times we legitimately finished second on top guys and transfers was in the double digits. It's like if you flipped a coin 10 times and got tails every time. It's nothing more than that.

We were able to attract a big like Kanter when there weren't really a ton of minutes available at the 5. Imagine the kind of late commit or grad transfer big we'll be able to pull when we can offer 20+ minutes a game on a tournament team.

The summer of recruiting has sucked, but it's really not as big a deal as people are making it out to be. All we got in 2015 was Kaiser and that year didn't set us back, in fact, it's similar to this year. Really talented classes in 14 and 17, and small classes in 15 and 18. Get two more top 100s in 2019 and we'll be back on track.

[GIMMFD]

Plus not only that, it's not like Mack & co weren't trying, they were in on major talents, once again you can't control what an 18 year old kid is going to do. There's time to salvage things, and if not it's going to be a grad transfer, regular transfer type of ordeal. Which is awful, but it's going to have to happen. Yes, everyone wants X to strive, but realistically there's nothing anybody can do about it. Sometimes you have to roll with the punches on a shit recruiting class.

[xu82]

Plus not only that, it's not like Mack & co weren't trying, they were in on major talents, once again you can't control what an 18 year old kid is going to do. There's time to salvage things, and if not it's going to be a grad transfer, regular transfer type of ordeal. Which is awful, but it's going to have to happen. Yes, everyone wants X to strive, but realistically there's nothing anybody can do about it. Sometimes you have to roll with the punches on a shit recruiting class.

Well, in fairness, apparently strippers, hookers and large bags of cash can help.....but that’s not our style. Thank God.

[GIMMFD]

Well, in fairness, apparently strippers, hookers and large bags of cash can help.....but that’s not our style. Thank God.

Hahaha okay point taken, thank god Mack runs a clean program. I couldn't imagine being able to support a team like Louisville in football or Baylor in football... sheesh.

[XUdenver]

We missed on Bey as well. Just announced NC St.

https://twitter.com/sfsboysbball?lang=en

[JTG]

Ok, now if it wasn't so depressing, it would be comical. How do you come in second a dozen times in a row ? In the recruiting game you're no better off coming in second, than if the recruit sent back your letter marked Return to Sender.

[XU 87]

We missed on Bey as well. Just announced NC St.

https://twitter.com/sfsboysbball?lang=en

That was expected. I think X was a very distant second.

[X Factor]

Not much to say. I really want to move on from this abysmal recruiting year. Mack can't be happy with the way things turned out. We're basically down to Dontarius James, who's ranked about #400 in the 2018 class.

I really hope this doesn't hurt X, and Mack is forced to take kids he normally wouldn't offer and accept.

[GIMMFD]

Not much to say. I really want to move on from this abysmal recruiting year. Mack can't be happy with the way things turned out. We're basically down to Dontarius James, who's ranked about #400 in the 2018 class.

I really hope this doesn't hurt X, and Mack is forced to take kids he normally wouldn't offer and accept.

Wonder if any of the scandal things going on at Louisville, Miami, etc. open anything up for us? Like maybe a kid who wasn't paid off or something.

[Juice]

That was expected. I think X was a very distant second.

Technically third since he had already committed to Miami

[Juice]

Not much to say. I really want to move on from this abysmal recruiting year. Mack can't be happy with the way things turned out. We're basically down to Dontarius James, who's ranked about #400 in the 2018 class.

I really hope this doesn't hurt X, and Mack is forced to take kids he normally wouldn't offer and accept.

He has offers from Butler and TCU. That's not bad company to be in.

[X Factor]

He has offers from Butler and TCU. That's not bad company to be in.

Butler just offered him, and Butler has never been a school to recruit really well. They've done well with recruiting under recruited kids who turn out to be really good.

TCU? Mighty TCU who's been to 7 NCAA tournaments, the last one in 1998? The program's that gone 14-76 in conference play the last 5 years? C'mon, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by using TCU as an example.

[Juice]

Butler just offered him, and Butler has never been a school to recruit really well. They've done well with recruiting under recruited kids who turn out to be really good.

TCU? Mighty TCU who's been to 7 NCAA tournaments, the last one in 1998? The program's that gone 14-76 in conference play the last 5 years? C'mon, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by using TCU as an example.

No, I mean mighty TCU who is now coached by Jamie Dixon, who went 24-15 and won the NIT in his first season. And 6 of those 14 wins came last season.

Smarten up Nas.

[Juice]

Butler just offered him, and Butler has never been a school to recruit really well. They've done well with recruiting under recruited kids who turn out to be really good.

TCU? Mighty TCU who's been to 7 NCAA tournaments, the last one in 1998? The program's that gone 14-76 in conference play the last 5 years? C'mon, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by using TCU as an example.

Here is a nice write up on the Big 12, let's see what it has to say about TCU...


5. Pitt fans begging for Jamie Dixon to come back like a sad ex

TCU fans need to get the nicest gifts, shine them up real nice and send it on over to Pittsburgh. The fact that there was pressure to can Jamie Dixon and run him out of town is one that I’m pretty sure Pitt would like back. Kevin Stallings has turned that program into a disaster while Dixon came to TCU and has completely turned around a once dormant program. The Horned Frogs are an NCAA Tournament team this year and Dixon is bringing in top-100 recruits. They return pretty much everyone from last year’s team which finished 24-15. Most importantly they return Vladimir Brodziansky who averaged 14 and 6 last year. Along with Brodziansky, TCU returns three other players who averaged 10 per game, with Jaylen Fisher being one of them and the starting point guard.


Preseason Big 12 Coach of the Year: Jamie Dixon (TCU)

TCU is going to be good this year. This isn’t one of those I think they exceed expectations or come out of the blue so give the coach of the year award to the team that does that. This is simply the fact Jamie Dixon (along with some serious money put into the program/resources) revitalized this program and it’s going to pay off this year. TCU last year was a top-50 team on both sides of the ball and you should see that happen again.



3. TCU – There’s a lot to like about this team. Last year they were primed to be an NCAA Tournament team before collapsing at the very end of the season to go 6-12 in conference play. They were 10th in the country last year in A/FGM. They were top-50 in both offense and defense. If they can improve defending the 3-point line (they allowed teams to shoot 36% against them) then this team will win 3 more games right off the bat.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/2017-18-big-12-basketball-preview-standings-and-storylines/

Don't like Reags from Barstool?

How about SI and ESPN?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/10/23/big-12-preview-projections-rankings-standings
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21167783/big-12-conference-preview-kansas-jayhawks-own-league

[GIMMFD]

I have nothing but respect for Jamie Dixon, I think he's a heck of a coach, and gets a lot out of his players. It's no surprise he had Pitt constantly in the tournament when he was there, and challenging in the old Big East. They never got over the hump to do damage in the NCAA Tournament, and underperformed there a bit, but Pitt was silly to fire him. Which, brings me incredible joy.

[Juice]

Butler just offered him, and Butler has never been a school to recruit really well. They've done well with recruiting under recruited kids who turn out to be really good.

TCU? Mighty TCU who's been to 7 NCAA tournaments, the last one in 1998? The program's that gone 14-76 in conference play the last 5 years? C'mon, let's not try and make ourselves feel better by using TCU as an example.

Remember when you talked shit and you looked like a moron?

[Xville]

Remember when you talked shit and you looked like a moron?

Look everyone..it's mr. Internet tough guy. Even if TCU has gotten better under Dixon, it is still TCU. It will be interesting to see if they can sustain any success or just be a flash in the pan.

[X Factor]

Remember when you talked shit and you looked like a moron?

What are you talking about? TCU went 6-12 last year in the BigXII! Wow! They won't the NIT , yay!

If you want to hold TCU up as some great program and use them to compare X to when recruiting because we offered the same kid, go ahead.

Heck, they might make the NCAA tourney for the first time in 20 years.

[XU 87]

What are you talking about? TCU went 6-12 last year in the BigXII! Wow! They won't the NIT , yay!

If you want to hold TCU up as some great program and use them to compare X to when recruiting because we offered the same kid, go ahead.

Heck, they might make the NCAA tourney for the first time in 20 years.

TCU already has 2 four stars in this year's recruiting class. They have a new coach, are putting more money into the program, and are recruiting at a much higher level than in the past.

[bleedXblue]

https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Dontarius-James-makes-his-pledge-on-a-weekend-visit-110371864

[XU 87]

TCU is now 10-0 and ranked 20th by KenPom.

They also have an RPI of 12.

[X Factor]

TCU is now 10-0 and ranked 20th by KenPom.

They also have an RPI of 12.

RPI is worthless. They're best win is a neutral court win over Nevada.

Last year they started 13-0, and finished 18-13.

Sure, TCU is improving. Jamie Dixon is a solid coach, not great. They might make the NCAA tournament for the first time in 20 years.

[XU 87]

They are also ranked 14th in AP.

Scout/247 ranks this year's TCU recruiting class at 28- right behind Minnesota and just ahead of West Virginia.

Hmmmm, maybe Jamie Dixon is recruiting at a much level than in past years.

[UCGRAD4X]

https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Dontarius-James-makes-his-pledge-on-a-weekend-visit-110371864

"Dontarius is going to bring outside shooting and toughness on the wing for Xavier. He plays multiple positions for Huntington Prep and has the ability to guard any position on the floor." "We have used him as a four or five on offense, but he is capable of playing the two or three as well. He is going to be considered a steal in years to come as he has not even scratched the surface of his potential."

Two obvious caveats
1. this was at Huntington Prep
2. What do you expect his coach to say

That being said, it is nice to see that he has had that multiple position experience, especially that he is considered a good defensive player that can switch off - and a good outside shooter.