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Snipe
06-24-2016, 03:38 AM
If a Gay Muslim shoots 50 people to death in a gay night club in Orlando is it a Hate Crime?

I honestly am not sure.

What if you are in San Jose and massive mobs of illegal immigrants show up to protest a Trump rally, waving Mexican flags and attacking hundreds of Trump supporters. Is that a hate crime? It seems like the only reason they showed up and beat those people was because they hated them.

But that wasn't a hate crime.

A gay Muslim can shoot 50 gay white and Hispanic gay people at a nightclub (he refused to shoot blacks, apparently, which is an ode to political correctness.), and they labeled it a hate crime and blamed it on White America, and in particular Donald Trump for noting being someone other than Donald Trump. It is nice to know that straight white people are always to blame. At least we have some stability and continuity.

Emp
06-24-2016, 06:44 AM
My Id doesn't have me up at 430 nearly as much as you, but right on, brother. The Old Snipe is BACK!

Why would planning to and actually murdering complete strangers based on a single label be a hate crime. Next thing you know, Revisionists are gonna say Emmett Till's lynching was a hate crime.

xubrew
06-24-2016, 08:19 AM
If a Gay Muslim shoots 50 people to death in a gay night club in Orlando is it a Hate Crime?

I honestly am not sure.

What if you are in San Jose and massive mobs of illegal immigrants show up to protest a Trump rally, waving Mexican flags and attacking hundreds of Trump supporters. Is that a hate crime? It seems like the only reason they showed up and beat those people was because they hated them.

But that wasn't a hate crime.

A gay Muslim can shoot 50 gay white and Hispanic gay people at a nightclub (he refused to shoot blacks, apparently, which is an ode to political correctness.), and they labeled it a hate crime and blamed it on White America, and in particular Donald Trump for noting being someone other than Donald Trump. It is nice to know that straight white people are always to blame. At least we have some stability and continuity.

This post is stupid! Get real Snipe!

In order for you to convince me and everyone else that it was not a hate crime, you're going to have to PROVE to me that he actually did not like the people that he shot and/or attacked!! I need to see the documentation!! Where is it??

xubrew
06-24-2016, 08:22 AM
Oh wait, my mistake. You're alleging that it may not have have been a hate crime.

Well, again, to those that feel that it was, how the hell can they prove that he didn't like the people that he shot? WHERE IS THE PROOF??

OH.X.MI
06-24-2016, 09:18 AM
In order for you to convince me and everyone else that it was not a hate crime, you're going to have to PROVE to me that he actually did not like the people that he shot and/or attacked!!

Killing them is not enough to "PROVE" he "actually did not like the people he shot and/or attacked"?? Guess the whole murdering 50 people was just a little joke, huh?

SemajParlor
06-24-2016, 09:21 AM
You people are morons.

muskiefan82
06-24-2016, 09:22 AM
At the risk of being ridiculous, when a person plans to kill others, it's a hate crime. They clearly thought so little of the other people (hate) that this shouldn't be a debate. The person PLANNED it and then DID it. Every planned shooting is a hate crime (unless you happen to be a paid assassin). They clearly hate something - other's religions, ethnicities, race, perhaps they just hate themselves.

Labeling something a hate crime makes it better to stomach in what way? Why should the penalty be harsher for a hate crime than a drug deal gone bad? It all makes me crazy.

NY44
06-24-2016, 09:24 AM
Oh wait, my mistake. You're alleging that it may not have have been a hate crime.

Well, again, to those that feel that it was, how the hell can they prove that he didn't like the people that he shot? WHERE IS THE PROOF??

Are you joking?

xubrew
06-24-2016, 09:43 AM
Killing them is not enough to "PROVE" he "actually did not like the people he shot and/or attacked"?? Guess the whole murdering 50 people was just a little joke, huh?


Are you joking?

YES!!!!!! Well, more satire than joking, but yes.

People tend to not kill people that they like. I was using sarcasm to point that out.

You know what?? Forget it. Carry on.

NY44
06-24-2016, 10:01 AM
YES!!!!!! Well, more satire than joking, but yes.

People tend to not kill people that they like. I was using sarcasm to point that out.

You know what?? Forget it. Carry on.

Oh good. Satire stacked on top of whatever the hell it is that Snipe does is pretty impossible to discern.

Snipe
06-24-2016, 11:20 AM
They keep statistics on hate crimes. It is sometimes a political designation. If you hit a Trump supporter in the head with a brick because you don't like Trump, that would not fit the FBI's definition of hate crime.

I don't think the Ft Hood shooter was charged with a hate crime. I am not a big fan of hate crime laws. Was Vester Flannigan a hate criminal? Did he make the statistical list?

I think this was a religious and racial hate crime, but not an anti-gay hate crime based on the factual evidence. But is that the way it will show up in statistics? I would bet it is more likely that this killer goes down as a white man who committed an anti-gay hate crime.

Snipe
06-24-2016, 11:26 AM
Defining a Hate Crime

Here is the FBI definition of hate crime:

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

xubrew
06-24-2016, 11:29 AM
I understand the whole "hate crime" designation. I just find it to be somewhat comical while at the same time not being all that funny.

Someone blows someone else's freakin head off. But, it wasn't a hate crime. I guess they just got really mad at them for a few minutes.

Snipe
06-24-2016, 11:47 AM
I get what you are saying. But people are using this case to push for stronger hate crime laws to protect the LGBTQ community.

It doesn't appear this was about sexual orientation. If a gay Muslim kills a gay white non-Muslim, all while declaring the deed for Isis, that isn't a hate crime based on sexual orientation.

Masterofreality
06-24-2016, 12:02 PM
Defining a Hate Crime

Here is the FBI definition of hate crime:

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

So, according to our Imperial President, a Muslim killing Christians because they are not Muslim is not a hate crime...or not even terrorism. It's just the random act of an individual who was upset with our lack of "tolerance".

xubrew
06-24-2016, 12:08 PM
In all seriousness (God, I'm going to regret this) I don't see how any violent crime that isn't the result of a robbery gone wrong or a personal beef with someone else, could be considered anything other than a hate crime. A drive by shooting in a rival gang's neighborhood doesn't fit the definition of a hate crime, but I personally don't consider it to be any less of a crime, or any less senseless, than someone who commits a crime that does fit the definition of a hate crime.

I think it was entirely about sexual orientation because his own self denial probably pushed him to hate them even more. Just because a person is homosexual themselves doesn't make them incapable of hating other homosexuals. How do you say that's not a hate crime?? He decided to kill as many of them as he could. If it wasn't because he hated them, then what was his reason??

"Joe went nuts and killed a bunch of people."

"Oh geez, that's terrible."

"But, it's even worse than that."

"Really? How so?"

"It turns out that he also hated them."

"HOLY SHIT!!! BOY IS HE IN TROUBLE NOW!!!"

Again, satire. But, really. Who the hell kills someone that they don't hate for one reason or another?

GoMuskies
06-24-2016, 12:15 PM
So is it only a hate crime for the gheys that he killed? Because he killed some straits as well.

xubrew
06-24-2016, 12:21 PM
I'm really not trying to offend anyone or to come off as insensitive.

I really just don't understand the logic in trying to determine whether or not a person who committed mass murder hated the people that they killed. Regardless of the situation, of course he did. And, even if he didn't, how does it make it any less heinous? Sandy Hook probably wasn't considered a hate crime, yet it was equally as awful.

OH.X.MI
06-24-2016, 12:38 PM
The motive behind a crime matters very much. Gang members killing each other is inherently different than the lynching of a black man because he's black.

I don't know if this argument still holds water, but a major justification for hate crimes when they were enacted was to allow federal prosecution. There was, and maybe still is, a fear that local prosecutors in certain regions wouldn't seriously prosecute the offenders of the aforementioned lynching.

Are hate crimes applied inconsistently? Absolutely. But I do think their general purpose is important.

SemajParlor
06-24-2016, 04:52 PM
A gay Muslim can shoot 50 gay white and Hispanic gay people at a nightclub (he refused to shoot blacks, apparently, which is an ode to political correctness.), and they labeled it a hate crime and blamed it on White America


Just doing my diligence on trying to keep accurate information out there - can anyone offer legitimate sources that proves this is somewhat correct?

GoMuskies
06-24-2016, 05:04 PM
Maybe somewhat correct. But the victims were definitely not all gay, so he did not shoot 50 gay white and Hispanic gay people (not sure why gay was necessary twice). He did look to spare the black folks, but he didn't do a great job of that if I'm correctly remembering the pictures I saw of the victims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641598/Surviving-friend-teen-murdered-Orlando-massacre-sobs-guilt-recounts-shooter-asked-black-people-bathroom-stall-hiding-spare-having-suffered-enough.html

Snipe
06-24-2016, 05:59 PM
Scratch one of those gays. One gay is enough.

This is a tragedy in the gay community. That it came from one of their own cant be comforting either.

XUFan09
06-24-2016, 06:04 PM
The motive behind a crime matters very much. Gang members killing each other is inherently different than the lynching of a black man because he's black.

I don't know if this argument still holds water, but a major justification for hate crimes when they were enacted was to allow federal prosecution. There was, and maybe still is, a fear that local prosecutors in certain regions wouldn't seriously prosecute the offenders of the aforementioned lynching.

Are hate crimes applied inconsistently? Absolutely. But I do think their general purpose is important.
Yeah, that's definitely part of it. Also, it's a hate crime because it's an attack not just against that individual but against the entire group that he/she represents. It's an attack against an identity and often the places they consider "safe" (yes, this is one of the actually appropriate invocations of "safe space"). Talk to gay people about how they feel about going to a gay club, a long-time sanctuary, after this. Talk to religious black people in the South about how they feel about going to church after Dylann Roof. Do they still go? Sure, but those attacks shook those groups to the core. They were attacks against entire communities. In this way, we might actually be able to consider terrorism as a subset of hate crimes, targeting a few in a way that emotionally and psychologically impacts the many within a group.

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Snipe
06-24-2016, 07:34 PM
The motive behind a crime matters very much. Gang members killing each other is inherently different than the lynching of a black man because he's black.

I don't know if this argument still holds water, but a major justification for hate crimes when they were enacted was to allow federal prosecution. There was, and maybe still is, a fear that local prosecutors in certain regions wouldn't seriously prosecute the offenders of the aforementioned lynching.

Are hate crimes applied inconsistently? Absolutely. But I do think their general purpose is important.

If the motives of the crime matter very much, than we should do better to try to attain some level of consistency in the statistics. This guy was anti-White and a radical Muslim terrorist. He was also gay. He was a gay Muslim hate criminal. It doesn't appear that he killed those people because they were gay, and as Go correctly pointed out, they were not all gay. This doesn't appear to me to be an anti-gay hate crime.

Snipe
06-24-2016, 07:53 PM
Yeah, that's definitely part of it. Also, it's a hate crime because it's an attack not just against that individual but against the entire group that he/she represents. It's an attack against an identity and often the places they consider "safe" (yes, this is one of the actually appropriate invocations of "safe space"). Talk to gay people about how they feel about going to a gay club, a long-time sanctuary, after this. Talk to religious black people in the South about how they feel about going to church after Dylann Roof. Do they still go? Sure, but those attacks shook those groups to the core. They were attacks against entire communities. In this way, we might actually be able to consider terrorism as a subset of hate crimes, targeting a few in a way that emotionally and psychologically impacts the many within a group.

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The hate crime was committed by a gay person, but I don't see any indication that it was a hate crime committed against homosexuals for being gay. He was killing Americans and sparing Black Americans. Not all of the victims were gay. He was definitely a racist and anti-White. And he did pledge it all to Islam and Isis or whatever.

Think about it. When he said he was doing it because we bomb his country, do you actually think he was talking about homosexuals? You think he is convinced their is some secret cabal of homosexuals that bomb Muslim countries? If he would have actually thought that he would have shot Lindsay Graham. He may actually have had a point there, come to think about it.

Those people died because they were Americans, and he was also a racist. I didn't see anything in the 911 call that even mentioned gays. And him being gay and all, it appears that wasn't the motivating factor. He was living the gay lifestyle for quite some time. He wasn't the first gay guy to snap and kill people either.

Now hate crimes are all about us determining the intention of the killer. One of the reasons that I don't like them is that we don't know what is actually in the killer's mind. It takes some detective work but you will never really know, a lot of it is patchy and guesswork. And in the end another thing I hate about hate crimes is hate crime statistics. Instead of this being an anti-gay hate crime, I think it is an anti White, anti non-Muslim terrorist hate crime committed by a gay non-white who hated whites. And in the statistics this will go down as a white guy who killed a bunch of gays because they are gay.

And that is so gay.

My prayers have already gone out to the gay community. They don't deserve this, and America doesn't deserve this. I don't think we need any more people from Afghanistan. Why is this guy here? I don't think his father was a citizen, but he was because he was born here. Was he an anchor baby? Nobody asks those questions. I would love to know though, what brought them here? The press never asks those questions though, I guess today they are considered beyond the pale.

I remember the youtube short filmmaker that Obama and Clinton blamed Benghazi on. Nobody asked why he was here either. I don't think he was a citizen. He committed bank fraud and went to jail. Then he got out and made a YouTube video that they claimed sparked all that outrage. But nobody ever said, why the hell is this guy even here in the first place?

Snipe
06-24-2016, 08:30 PM
Somebody mentioned Sandy Hook, and I don't think that was considered a Hate Crime either. Probably too many white victims for the statistics. You don't want the statistics to have an overwhelming amount of White People. And if you think I am joking, I am not.

The Sandy Hook killer was gay. The final DA's report found a screenplay he had written about Man/Boy love and some homosexual fantasies.

James Holmes, the Colorado shooter that dressed up for the Batman movie looks like a queer too, go figure. He had dating ads for men on some sex website.

Vester Flanagan, the gay black man who was fired from a TV news station, and who's manifesto spoke about starting a "Race War" was also gay, if you count working as a homosexual escort as being gay. I guess for some guys it is just a job. Will he make it into the hate crime statistics? They never released his 22 page Anti-White manifesto either. With Dylan Roof, it is best if it is on the front page because it is White racism, maybe Obama can even speak at the funeral. With Vester Flanagan it is best we don't make the victims suffer again by publishing or talking about his racism and desire to spark a Black/White civil war.

Looks like many of the recent mass killers are poo pokers. That is interesting. Gays are officially America's favorite minority, and I like them too. I have some close gay friends and neighbors. They are constantly portrayed as noble victims of our horrible society that oppresses them, even though per capita they make more disposable income that straight people. Now that is oppression for you. I don't see anyone writing about how it is such a coincidence that such a small segment of society is over-represented in terror killings. And you would think that America has some inquisitive people. I think all the "right thinking minds" have taught us all to think better than that! The Gods of the Copybook Headings will make sure no thought crime here.

OH.X.MI
06-25-2016, 09:51 AM
If the motives of the crime matter very much, than we should do better to try to attain some level of consistency in the statistics. This guy was anti-White and a radical Muslim terrorist. He was also gay. He was a gay Muslim hate criminal. It doesn't appear that he killed those people because they were gay, and as Go correctly pointed out, they were not all gay. This doesn't appear to me to be an anti-gay hate crime.

You may very well be right. I do not know his motive. But the tabloids and email chains you get your information from don't know either. Ideally an investigation will reveal his true intent - though I'm sure that will be of little solace for the families of the deceased "poo pokers", as you call them.

paulxu
06-25-2016, 10:09 AM
Some early reports indicated the shooter might have been gay, and was conflicted with his religion about this, and went as a result on the rampage.

I think the latest reports from the FBI indicate he was not gay.

Who knows.

GoMuskies
06-25-2016, 11:41 AM
Who knows.


I think he probably just sucked some dick as "research".

vee4xu
06-25-2016, 01:19 PM
Wow. I see the offseason has officially begun.

Snipe
06-25-2016, 08:56 PM
I am a Jihadist and i am tired of not being given credit. (http://www.faisalalmutar.com/2015/11/16/I-am-a-Jihadist-and-i-am-tired-of-not-being-given-credit/)



It must be incredibly frustrating as an islamic jihadist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the jihadists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It’s like a bad monty python sketch:

“we did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“no you didn’t.”

“wait, what? Yes we did…”

“no, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“what!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“no, this is definitely not a muslim thing. You guys are not true muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“what? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“no, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“omg, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”

This is seriously some amusing parody of the times. The guy calls 911 and explains exactly why he is doing this, and the authorities act like the didn't know why he did.


You may very well be right. I do not know his motive. But the tabloids and email chains you get your information from don't know either. Ideally an investigation will reveal his true intent

You don't know his motive? They did release transcripts of his 911 calls placed by the killer right as he did this. It wasn't in all the "tabloids and email chains I get my information from", it was words directly from the shooter, claiming responsibility, and explaining why he did it. That is my inside source. It was the shooter himself. I tend to count that as credible evidence, but to you it only makes it one big mystery! I guess we will never know!

And this is a selective use of deductive reasoning used by the left only in particular cases. Dylan Roof the Charleston Church Shooter didn't take that much deductive reasoning, because he was a white racist. This Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat and a Hillary supporter according to articles in newspapers, not my chainmail.

You’ll Never Guess Which Presidential Candidate Muslim Terrorist Omar Mateen Supported (http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/21/omar-mateen-liked-hillary-clinton-informant-says/#ixzz4Ce5XJ1)

This guy is a gay, a Democrat, a Muslim, and a Hillary Clinton supporter.

I know the liberal outlets would have preferred him to be a White Nationalist Right Wing Anti-Gay Trump Supporter, and if that is the case, I am betting that sensible liberals like you would not be saying that "they don't know his motive". And all this death seems wasted to them because those gays can't be martyrs for the cause of Civil Rights. I think the Cathedral would have liked it much better the other way around.

Here is Jackie Kennedy lamenting about the JFK Assasination (http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-america-fell-apart-on-11221963.html):


... These questions were answered when Mrs. Kennedy learned that the lone Oswald had killed her husband. She then complained, "He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It had to be some silly little communist. It even robs his death of any meaning."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Strange Brew
06-27-2016, 12:27 AM
Not gay?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-gay-fbi-20160623-snap-story.html

NY44
06-27-2016, 09:02 AM
Looks like many of the recent mass killers are poo pokers.

You are trash.

I guess I can finally see how this "Ignore List" works. Way to go moderators.

Snipe
06-27-2016, 10:49 AM
For Poo Pokers? I have some good friends who are Poo Pokers. I never got the memo that Poo Pokers was beyond the pale.

Trash even. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

nuts4xu
06-27-2016, 02:51 PM
The press never asks those questions though, I guess today they are considered beyond the pale.




I never got the memo that Poo Pokers was beyond the pale.



Did you pick up a new phrase while you were in China? What the hell does this even mean, and why are you using the phrase twice in the same thread?

That polluted Chinese air was not good for you Snipe.

Snipe
06-27-2016, 04:38 PM
That is a tragedy Nuts, I am slipping. I think the original phrase had something to do with the Pale of Settlement in the old Russian Empire. Jews were restricted to living there, with only a few allowed to live beyond the pale. The Russians viewed Jews as predatory on the Russians peasants. Now days it is just a statement or action that is outside current social mores. Like for example, me calling some cold blooded killers poo pokers, I have transgressed the unwritten law of our customs and manners. NY44 is virtue signaling his disgust not by ignoring me, but by announcing (signaling) that he is putting me on ignore. And I am trash.

Well two can play at that game. I am also going to put myself on ignore.

Snipe
06-27-2016, 04:42 PM
Not gay?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-gay-fbi-20160623-snap-story.html

Strange Brew, what is your take on that article. Seems like it isn't just one guy but several regulars who are claiming they know this guy.

The FBI is confiscating peoples phones and telling them not to talk to the press. Given that the FBI was alerted about this guy and how he went on to become the largest shooting killer in American history, I am sure the FBI is very sensitive about this case. It is interesting that of all the information they would release, they would release this information. Curious.

I was wondering what you thought after reading that article.

Juice
06-27-2016, 05:18 PM
Strange Brew, what is your take on that article. Seems like it isn't just one guy but several regulars who are claiming they know this guy.

The FBI is confiscating peoples phones and telling them not to talk to the press. Given that the FBI was alerted about this guy and how he went on to become the largest shooting killer in American history, I am sure the FBI is very sensitive about this case. It is interesting that of all the information they would release, they would release this information. Curious.

I was wondering what you thought after reading that article.

It probably would have been wise for the FBI and the Justice Department to not lose the person who knew most about all of this (his wife) but Obama and the attorney general have to take down law abiding gun owners first.

Snipe
06-27-2016, 08:36 PM
Forgot about that. Hope she doesn't end up killing anyone. Boy this is not their best work.

Juice
06-28-2016, 12:47 PM
Forgot about that. Hope she doesn't end up killing anyone. Boy this is not their best work.

And now the Justice Department is threatening people in an Idaho town where three Muslim immigrants allegedly raped a 5 year old girl and urinated in her mouth.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/idaho-rape-obama-prosecutor-silencing-americans-with-threats-of-arrest/#!

The is all the NRA's fault.

paulxu
06-28-2016, 01:03 PM
WND? Really?

OH.X.MI
06-28-2016, 02:08 PM
WND? Really?

As I said, tabloids and email chains.

X-man
06-28-2016, 02:21 PM
WND? Really?

WTF is WND?

XUFan09
06-28-2016, 02:50 PM
WND? Really?

I don't know what was worse, that he linked to WND or that he linked to a site with a thousand ads that have to load.

Juice
06-28-2016, 05:11 PM
Story was also covered by WaPo but they had a different spin on it.

Snipe
06-28-2016, 11:15 PM
That story actually happened. A 5 year old white girl was sexually assaulted by three "refugees" from Muslim countries. It was broken up when someone witnessed a 15 year old filming it on his phone in the laundry room.

She wasn't assaulted by all the players, two of them cheered the youngest one on according to what I have read, the oldest being 15 years old, which is old enough to stand trial as an adult. He was the one also filming the defiling of a 5 year old White girl.

Members of the mainstream press seemed to achieve an orgasmic ecstasy when they could debunk the theories on the message boards on blogs. No it wasn't Syrians! They proclaimed. But yes it was Iraqis and Somali immigrants. How far is that victory lap? They used that info to cast the people commenting on it as bigots. But really, does that victory lap extend that far? Iraq borders on Syria. Lets says I thought a Syrian violated my daughter, would it put me in my place that an Iraqi from 240 km distance away from Syria actually violated my daughter?

Do people in Twin Falls Idaho care if it was an Iraqi or a Syrian that just raped and molested a little 5 year old white girl, all while filming it? I doubt that is the case. And when the press makes fun of those people for saying Syrian instead of Iraqi, I think they just don't get it.

We are sending refugees to every corner of the United States. Our last police chief came from Portland, Maine. He was hired in Portland, Maine because little Portland, Maine suddenly had a police problem and a black police chief might help. It turns out that Portland, Maine, was assigned over 10,000 Somali immigrants. Somalia is possibly the worst run country on the planet. The CIA factbook a few years ago said the Somalian government only controlled about 3 city blocks. That and all the Black Hawk Down stuff, and the stuff with the pirates.

This is not a functioning society. And those people have no practice in living in a functioning society. Many groups of refugees are here because we have agreed to take them because the other more dominant groups in society hate them and don't want them. We enter some countries with several warring factions, and sometimes the top two warring factions agree to peace only if we take this other group that everybody hates.

Imagine if that is how we recruited for Xavier basketball.

Snipe
06-28-2016, 11:27 PM
And imagine being the guy that is recruited by The Cathedral to say what actually happened.

The Sexual abuse appears to have happened. They got angry and denied it was a gang rape, then they admitted that 3 people were involved, and the older two were directing and filming it. They seem to think a distinction that directing and filming a sexual molestation is not that same as participating in it, and they want to cast all the people who think that way as ignorant bigots. What is not to love about our Elites? Seriously. That is how they score points, and they keep the scorecard.

xu82
06-29-2016, 06:35 AM
I hate this thread, on so many levels.....

Snipe
07-01-2016, 12:15 AM
I hate this thread, on so many levels.....

Yeah, I started this thread and I am not a big fan either. I am not a big fan of Muslim terrorists, and this is our third terrorist attack in the last year. The next one is coming. I can tell you that. Not where, not when, but I can tell you it is coming. I am not going to like that thread on any level either.

And to hit a gay club hits people personally. I have many gay friends and love gay people. And to have another gay do it actually robs their deaths of any long term civil rights value. And I am all about gay civil rights, like gay marriage, big, long time fan.

Snipe
07-01-2016, 01:57 AM
What Are they Hiding? FBI Tells Florida Cops to Deny Public Records Requests on Orlando Attack (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/fbi-tells-florida-cops-to-deny-public-records-requests-on-orlando-shooting.html)



A letter revealed by the Orlando Sentinel shows the FBI requested law enforcement agencies who responded to and investigated the massacre at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub to withhold information from the public.

A letter from the FBI dated June 20 attached to a lawsuit brought by the City of Orlando seeking the release of 911 calls in full, as well as other records pertaining to the shooting, had also been forwarded to the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office — but included instructions for law enforcement to deny all requests for information.

Under the guise of protecting the investigation — as well as the victims and their families — the letter asks law enforcement agencies to deny information to anyone asking and “immediately notify the FBI of any requests your agency received” so “the FBI can seek to prevent disclosure through appropriate channels, as necessary.”


The FBI has confiscated phones from individuals, and told them not to comment to the media. Now they are telling state agencies not to reply to public records requests.

According to the FBI, they still don't know the killer's motive. I am not kidding. I think that is the current line is that they are still investigating to find out the motive of the killer.

I was thinking about calling them up and telling them that on the 911 tapes the killer cited Isis. But I think that would just get me on some watch list. Maybe they will figure it out.

They did however come on last week and say they have no evidence that he killer was gay. They don't know why he did it, 911 transcripts probably weren't translated into bureau-speak or something. So the only thing they have told us is that they have no evidence that the killer is gay.

I wonder how important that is to them.

SemajParlor
07-01-2016, 08:47 AM
this is our third terrorist attack in the last year. The next one is coming. I can tell you that. Not where, not when, but I can tell you it is coming. I

You don't say.

X-man
07-01-2016, 10:07 AM
this is our third terrorist attack in the last year. The next one is coming. I can tell you that. Not where, not when, but I can tell you it is coming.

I also predict there will be more attacks by deranged right wing nutjobs. Can't tell you when or where, but they are coming. I say "ban 'em".

Juice
07-01-2016, 01:25 PM
Between Turkey earlier this week and Bangladesh today, there are two new Muslim terrorist attacks.

Snipe
07-03-2016, 02:35 AM
Yeah, I started this thread and I am not a big fan either. I am not a big fan of Muslim terrorists, and this is our third terrorist attack in the last year. The next one is coming. I can tell you that. Not where, not when, but I can tell you it is coming. I am not going to like that thread on any level either.

And to hit a gay club hits people personally. I have many gay friends and love gay people. And to have another gay do it actually robs their deaths of any long term civil rights value. And I am all about gay civil rights, like gay marriage, big, long time fan.


You don't say.

This is the 3rd Muslim terrorist attack on American soil in the last year. Muslims are about 1% of the population.

From the Pew Research Center:

A new estimate of the U.S. Muslim population (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/06/a-new-estimate-of-the-u-s-muslim-population/)

1% of the population, but they have been surging in Immigration since the 9/11 attacks? Why? And we have had multiple other attacks over the years, like Fort Hood, and the Boston Marathon. This was the single worst shooting in US history. He pledged himself to ISIS.

Around 70% or so of Muslims are first generation immigrants. Some of those are from Indonesia. Where we don't see any of these people causing the attacks. And the other 30% have been here, and many are black and come from the 60's and Malcom X type of defiance, and those historical American Black Muslims are not involved in the terrorist activities. I have a good friend who is a Black American Muslim, and comes from a family of Black American Muslims. It is a smaller segment that the overall population, and we could actually control this violence more effectively if we limited immigration from terroristic Arabic Muslim countries. But of course that would be racist, and being seen as racist is worse than the body bags I guess.

So this is much less than 1% of the population, but they keep committing crimes. They are committed to doing more, yet we won't stop the flow, you racist.

What could possibly go wrong?

If it is so obvious that we are going to have another Muslim terrorist attack, why do we keep importing Muslims? We keep recruiting them to come here at a record pace. Why is that? We need some adults in charge.

Snipe
07-03-2016, 02:43 AM
Between Turkey earlier this week and Bangladesh today, there are two new Muslim terrorist attacks.

I was talking about the third Muslim terrorist attack in the Untied States. Tennessee, California, and Florida. If I had to count Paris and Belgium and everywhere else it would make my head spin. Yeah Turkey is Muslim and I thought Bangladesh is as well. If we didn't let them in, got out of their nations and left them alone, I think they would just kill each other.

Trump is the anti-war candidate that anti-war voters don't like. Hillary is the Hawk who wants to meddle in their business and never go away. I think we need to build a wall and stop all immigration, from everywhere with limited exceptions. Leave these people and our bases everywhere and just let them kill each other. They hate us anyway, never ever a thank you to President Obama for starting 4 or 5 more wars. Leave them and let them be.

Snipe
07-03-2016, 03:11 AM
What Are they Hiding? FBI Tells Florida Cops to Deny Public Records Requests on Orlando Attack (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/fbi-tells-florida-cops-to-deny-public-records-requests-on-orlando-shooting.html)




The FBI has confiscated phones from individuals, and told them not to comment to the media. Now they are telling state agencies not to reply to public records requests.

According to the FBI, they still don't know the killer's motive. I am not kidding. I think that is the current line is that they are still investigating to find out the motive of the killer.

I was thinking about calling them up and telling them that on the 911 tapes the killer cited Isis. But I think that would just get me on some watch list. Maybe they will figure it out.

They did however come on last week and say they have no evidence that he killer was gay. They don't know why he did it, 911 transcripts probably weren't translated into bureau-speak or something. So the only thing they have told us is that they have no evidence that the killer is gay.

I wonder how important that is to them.


You don't say.


I also predict there will be more attacks by deranged right wing nutjobs. Can't tell you when or where, but they are coming. I say "ban 'em".

X-Man, how many attacks do we have from Right Wing Nut jobs in the last year? How many attacks from Right Wing Nut Jobs do we have in 10 years? Where are the Right Wing Nut Jobs? Who are they attacking? How many are they killing?

Lay out the parameters and lets make a bet over which demographic kills more people over the next 6 or 12 months.

Put your numbers in perspective.

Muslim immigration is a threat, and it is proven in the numbers. Continued immigration only increases the threat.

I wonder how much of the country you consider Right Wing. Anyone that could vote for a conservative? That would be millions of people. Where is the right wing? I am not sure it exists as you think it does. Am I right wing to you? I am not even a registered Republican, and I am not even a big fan of democracy. I am just waiting for everything to fail and fall down, because I think you guys and your ilk are running the show, have been running the show and it is only a matter of time.

I just came back from China, and I think the United States is both far more communist and far more Marxist than China. China doesn't have a welfare state. They can't afford it. Those people are the ultimate capitalists, they have to hustle for everything they have. They don't have gender studies in college, or Black History or Latino History majors. And if they did they would tell those kids they are going into debt with very little appreciation for job skilz.

You watch Trump supporters get mobbed by the hundreds in California with minimal arrests. Or no arrests. It is basically state sanctioned violence. Some pro-White group just got mobbed and stabbed out there in Cali, I am not sure they made many arrests in that either, even though the other group planned, outnumbered them and came with violent malicious intent. Is that your Right Wing Violence?

I could point to more anti-Right violence in the current cultural potpourri than any "Right Wing Violence". Left Wing Violence is a defining aspect of this year. Ferguson was burned by Democrats, and Baltimore was too. Korean shopkeepers were targeted by Democrats. The guy who killed 50 people in Orlando was a Gay Muslim Registered Democrat who was a Hillary Clinton Supporter. Imagine that. As I predicted though, it will go down in the books as a White guy who killed 50 gays.

Snipe
07-03-2016, 03:43 AM
As I said, tabloids and email chains.

You said tabloids and email chains to me the first time, and I kindly explained to you that my info came directly from the transcripts of the 911 calls that the killer placed to emergency operators. I didn't think after that you would come back a second time. Now is a good time to stop your funny little riff about tabloids and email chains. Your bias is showing.

bobbiemcgee
07-03-2016, 08:10 PM
I just came back from China.....


Did you visit the Trump Tie Factory? Anybody over 12 working there?

Snipe
07-05-2016, 12:57 AM
That wasn't on the list. They had a guy in the official Chinese PRC paper that was making a lot of Trump stuff and ramping up for a huge campaign. It was in the business section and they talked about it could make or break his company if Trump sold a lot of stuff. He was planning for a big year and is a huge Trump fan just for the sales. If I met him he probably would have shouted "Make America Great Agains!"

I bought a silk tie over there for a buck fifty. I love silk but I don't like dry cleaning, and you can't wash the stuff regular. Tons of stuff cheap. I am just not much of a shopper. And the things I liked like the life size replica of the buried terracotta soldiers would have been an ass and a half just to ship them, no matter the price.

My impression of the Chinese that I dealt with didn't have anything against Trump. They didn't seem to care one way or the other. Like most Americans who can't name the Vice President. It won't change their life one bit. Their life is dictated by the whims of the PRC, who happen to also conveniently own all of the property and tangible assets outside of the fancy cars driven by sons or daughters of party leaders. For everyone else it is a shyt sandwich, and they do the best to enjoy it.

muskiefan82
07-05-2016, 08:31 AM
The United States 2016. Please see the former Roman Empire, former Ottoman Empire, and the former U.S.S.R. for related topics.

paulxu
07-05-2016, 03:17 PM
Xenophobia. It brings out the worst in all of us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-home-that-looks-perfect-until-bigotry-rears-its-ugly-head/2016/07/04/f12e5216-420c-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html

ps. Thanks Donald.

xu82
07-05-2016, 04:27 PM
Xenophobia. It brings out the worst in all of us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-home-that-looks-perfect-until-bigotry-rears-its-ugly-head/2016/07/04/f12e5216-420c-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html

ps. Thanks Donald.

I knew that wouldn't end well. Is our melting pot having a melt down? Ugh....

xudash
07-08-2016, 12:06 PM
I've stayed out of this thread and I'm not going to dive into it too deeply now.

I'll let the attached speak to the notion of having a wide open immigration policy, and the abject bullshit that comes with being politically correct:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/07/west-chester-man-pleads-guilty-plot-attack-police-station/86801168/

GoMuskies
07-08-2016, 12:09 PM
Sounds like Xavier needs a better admissions policy, too.