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mistabeecee41
10-31-2014, 07:14 PM
https://twitter.com/XUAthletics/status/528320609009156097/photo/1
The black jersey debate is back!!!
https://twitter.com/XUAthletics/status/528320609009156097/photo/1
The black jersey debate is back!!!
Not to nitpick.... But would that be black is back? Seems to flow better than back is black. Or I suppose it could be back in black. :-)
Mel Cooley XU'81
10-31-2014, 08:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA
41.8 million views. According to Your Friends at YouTube.
I figured someone would go there!
BandAid
10-31-2014, 09:55 PM
Black shorts with the silver x piping should look awesome (can't seem them in that pic)
Nice, but I like the standard, traditional uniforms (old people are like that). It's not the Steelers putrid throw backs, so I can live with it.
xukeith
10-31-2014, 10:23 PM
I think I am in the minority but stick to school colors. Leave the other junk to minor league baseball teams and NASCAR.
XUMIOH12
10-31-2014, 10:52 PM
I like the idea of black alternate uniforms, but these just make it look like the color is off when looking at the blue unoiforms
XUMIOH12
10-31-2014, 10:54 PM
I would prefer seeing some blue outlining the numbers/Xavier script to provide some contrast.....or something a little different than the regular uniforms
Nice, but I like the standard, traditional uniforms (old people are like that). It's not the Steelers putrid throw backs, so I can live with it.
Say what you will about those Steeler throw back uniforms, but big Ben and Co. opened up a can of whoop ass on the Colts while wearing them.
Which leads me to my feelings on the mattter... While I quite like the black uniforms, I am happy with them wearing whatever style of uni they want, as long as they win.
1517
BBC 08
11-01-2014, 01:43 AM
Black shorts with the silver x piping should look awesome (can't seem them in that pic)
Believe it's blue piping.
Never liked the black uniform idea...never will...always thought the grey was cool. But navy and white still the best.
The black uniform feature in the Xavier Nation magazine had some interesting factoids on Xavier's relationship with Nike. From what I interpreted, we will likely be seeing new uniforms in 2016-17.
They haven't said when they will be wearing the black uniforms, but we can all pretty much agree it's going to be against UC, right?
They haven't said when they will be wearing the black uniforms, but we can all pretty much agree it's going to be against UC, right?
I would hope not, with black being a primary UC color. We have to wear blue at 5/3 arena.
casualfan
11-01-2014, 11:21 AM
I would hope not, with black being a primary UC color. We have to wear blue at 5/3 arena.
We might be in white for that game.
waggy
11-01-2014, 11:32 AM
There was at least one occasion where both teams wore their primaries. Rivalry game.
BandAid
11-01-2014, 12:10 PM
Believe it's blue piping.
Ew
RealDeal
11-01-2014, 05:53 PM
Say what you will about those Steeler throw back uniforms
1517
Ok, they are hideous, a veritable shit explosion.
Ok, they are hideous, a veritable shit explosion.
Well, everyone loves a good shit explosion.
TUclutch
11-02-2014, 01:19 AM
These black jerseys are unreal. Ive noticed from listening at muskie madness the overwhelming majority of those against them are older. The age of the average xavier fan is the only negative. Need to appeal to younger fans and jerseys like these are what appeal to both recruits and younger casual fans. Dont need to go crazy like oregon, but need a couple alternates to go with the regular home and away
These black jerseys are unreal. Ive noticed from listening at muskie madness the overwhelming majority of those against them are older. The age of the average xavier fan is the only negative. Need to appeal to younger fans and jerseys like these are what appeal to both recruits and younger casual fans. Dont need to go crazy like oregon, but need a couple alternates to go with the regular home and away
Maybe your distain for the older fan is a negative..btw the black unis still look like shit
XfansinKy
11-02-2014, 07:17 AM
These black jerseys are unreal. Ive noticed from listening at muskie madness the overwhelming majority of those against them are older. The age of the average xavier fan is the only negative. Need to appeal to younger fans and jerseys like these are what appeal to both recruits and younger casual fans. Dont need to go crazy like oregon, but need a couple alternates to go with the regular home and away
I agree TU. I actually think it would be a really cool change of pace to wear black jerseys at 4 or 5 home games. Just my 2 pennies worth but I would like to see the Xavier blue on the numbers, name and trim.
Just my 2 pennies worth but I would like to see the Xavier blue on the numbers, name and trim.
Not the Xavier black?
BMoreX
11-02-2014, 08:18 AM
These black jerseys are unreal. Ive noticed from listening at muskie madness the overwhelming majority of those against them are older. The age of the average xavier fan is the only negative. Need to appeal to younger fans and jerseys like these are what appeal to both recruits and younger casual fans. Dont need to go crazy like oregon, but need a couple alternates to go with the regular home and away
Eh I'm young by these standards and I hate them. As do a few of my friends.
Being back the powder blue striped ones that the team wore in 2011 (?) vs Temple.
casualfan
11-02-2014, 08:45 AM
Eh I'm young by these standards and I hate them. As do a few of my friends.
Being back the powder blue striped ones that the team wore in 2011 (?) vs Temple.
Agreed. I'm in my low 20's and I think these are awful.
The age argument is always a fun one when teams do these alternate jerseys. The argument seems to always go "well, young people and recruits like them so deal with it" as if it'd be impossible to come up with a design that would appeal to both.
xukeith
11-02-2014, 09:21 AM
Nice to see X fans rally around the Blue and White. Save the black for video games.
Jehoya
11-02-2014, 09:42 AM
Love them
TUclutch
11-02-2014, 06:03 PM
Agreed. I'm in my low 20's and I think these are awful.
The age argument is always a fun one when teams do these alternate jerseys. The argument seems to always go "well, young people and recruits like them so deal with it" as if it'd be impossible to come up with a design that would appeal to both.
In the end it really doesn't matter at all what the fans want or like. The players input and what they think recruits will like is what matters. All black is a uniform trend that athletes like so having an option for it is worth a couple games in them. All black is badass
TUclutch
11-02-2014, 06:04 PM
Maybe your distain for the older fan is a negative..btw the black unis still look like shit
I don't really have a disdain for older fans. Wish everyone would be in their seats by tip off and be a little louder more consistenly rather than just a few big plays. I know Im not the only one who notices so many people in the lower level arent in their seats by tip.
Xu Red Dogg
11-02-2014, 06:07 PM
I love the new black uniforms. Reminds me of David West crushing UC and J-Maxx at 5/3 Arena.
Muskie
11-02-2014, 06:12 PM
I don't hate them (I can't tell at a glance much difference between Navy Blue and Black based on the pictures I've seen). I just prefer that the team wear school colors. That's our branding (or at least a portion of it). I'd feel the same way if you proposed Green Alternates.
That said, if we're going to have black alternates. I'd prefer the numbers and logo incorporate the school colors in some fashion? (for those wondering what the official colors are: Xavier University Musketeers are XavierBlue (PMS 289), Silver Metallic (877), Silver Gray (422), and White. )
XUOHTX
11-02-2014, 06:30 PM
The black uniform feature in the Xavier Nation magazine had some interesting factoids on Xavier's relationship with Nike. From what I interpreted, we will likely be seeing new uniforms in 2016-17.
They haven't said when they will be wearing the black uniforms, but we can all pretty much agree it's going to be against UC, right?
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/DFleck/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-11-01-23-30-322_zps530c5cb8.jpg
paulxu
11-02-2014, 06:34 PM
I can't tell if there's a big blue X running the height of the shorts (like on the white ones) or just the little blue X at the bottom.
I would hope not, with black being a primary UC color. We have to wear blue at 5/3 arena.
We wore black at 5/3 arena for the game during the 2002-03 season.
Xavier
11-02-2014, 10:49 PM
These black jerseys are unreal. Ive noticed from listening at muskie madness the overwhelming majority of those against them are older. The age of the average xavier fan is the only negative. Need to appeal to younger fans and jerseys like these are what appeal to both recruits and younger casual fans. Dont need to go crazy like oregon, but need a couple alternates to go with the regular home and away
I am in my 20s and don't see it an issue the average fan is older. I think in general it's tough to draw younger fans in, especially because I see the shift from college sports to liking professional sports more happening. Nothing Xavier can do, IMO. In the Big East and being more successful now (past 15 years) than ever before. You think black jerseys is the difference in getting younger fans? That's ridiculous. I just think the younger generations are leaning towards NBA/NFL more than ever these days
Ledgewood
11-03-2014, 09:28 AM
Obvi, I don't like them.
But if the "x" pattern on the shorts is blue, shouldn't the "Xavier" lettering and numbers be blue as well? That, or shouldn't the "x" pattern be white? Continuity, people.
BandAid
11-03-2014, 09:55 AM
But if the "x" pattern on the shorts is blue, shouldn't the "Xavier" lettering and numbers be blue as well? That, or shouldn't the "x" pattern be white? Continuity, people.
That's my complaint. I really would've like to see silver for the name, numbers, and "x" on the legs. (If we're going to break from school colors, we might as well look badass while doing it.)
ArizonaXUGrad
11-03-2014, 10:42 AM
I am older I guess at 38 and I like them. Listen guys, we aren't Oregon and go crazy all the time. These are a nice change of pace without totally abandoning our traditional colors. These will appeal to a younger crowd as well.
I want the shorts to be made available for purchase at least. Jersey would be nice as well.
These black jerseys are unreal. Ive noticed from listening at muskie madness the overwhelming majority of those against them are older. The age of the average xavier fan is the only negative. Need to appeal to younger fans and jerseys like these are what appeal to both recruits and younger casual fans. Dont need to go crazy like oregon, but need a couple alternates to go with the regular home and away
I really don't think there's anything to your theory about age determining peoples' opinions on the uniforms. I think it's more a matter of some people not wanting to stray from the team's colors, particularly (for some people) when they go with the color of a rival. I personally don't mind the uniforms. I don't think they're anywhere near our best looking alternates but I can live with them. They certainly don't irritate me like that abortion of a court design we've got.
casualfan
11-03-2014, 11:46 AM
I really don't think there's anything to your theory about age determining peoples' opinions on the uniforms. I think it's more a matter of some people not wanting to stray from the team's colors, particularly (for some people) when they go with the color of a rival. I personally don't mind the uniforms. I don't think they're anywhere near our best looking alternates but I can live with them. They certainly don't irritate me like that abortion of a court design we've got.
I couldn't help but be reminded of this watching the Cavs game the other night. They have a similar design albeit with the city of Cleveland and it looked beyond miserable on tv.
I'm really hoping this is a one year deal.
After seeing the entire black uniform for the first time, I'm not really digging them as much. The blue accents and the "X" on the shorts don't really work with the black all that well. It might have looked better if they chose to make all blue accents and the blue "X" on the shorts gray. Or if all of the blue accents were changed to gray and only the "X" was blue.
I wonder if this combination of blue and black was a decision by the Nike design team or a result of feedback on X's side.
casualfan
11-03-2014, 01:53 PM
After seeing the entire black uniform for the first time, I'm not really digging them as much. The blue accents and the "X" on the shorts don't really work with the black all that well. It might have looked better if they chose to make all blue accents and the blue "X" on the shorts gray. Or if all of the blue accents were changed to gray and only the "X" was blue.
I wonder if this combination of blue and black was a decision by the Nike design team or a result of feedback on X's side.
I agree that the black and our navy blue don't go together. As my mother used to say "you look like a bruise".
Lamont Sanford
11-03-2014, 01:53 PM
Personally, I like the silver/gray alternate unis that we've worn in recent years over the new black unis. However, I do not hate them and they do remind me of DFW beating UC at the Shoe. Screw UC!
After seeing the entire black uniform for the first time, I'm not really digging them as much. The blue accents and the "X" on the shorts don't really work with the black all that well. It might have looked better if they chose to make all blue accents and the blue "X" on the shorts gray. Or if all of the blue accents were changed to gray and only the "X" was blue.
I wonder if this combination of blue and black was a decision by the Nike design team or a result of feedback on X's side.
I can tell you right now, there's no way Xavier would not be wearing these if they did not approve the design. It's not as if Nike ships them a box with a note attached that says "here, wear these all season."
Lamont Sanford
11-03-2014, 01:57 PM
I can tell you right now, there's no way Xavier would not be wearing these if they did not approve the design. It's not as if Nike ships them a box with a note attached that says "here, wear these all season."
Exactly. The article in the Xavier nation magazine mentioned how XU is very involved in all design aspects of the uniforms. From the kids up through Mack. This is something the kids and coaches have wanted.
"A bruise" ha....I get that the powers that be or the players at X would have to give their stamp of approval. That certainly makes sense. But to have them get involved to the point of designing the shorts is a slippery slope that can lead to a whole lot of ugliness.
Muskie
11-03-2014, 02:07 PM
After looking at the more, and realizing we could have had much worse (Oregon?), I can't say they are awful. Still prefer school colors...but I'll get over it.
GoMuskies
11-03-2014, 02:18 PM
They certainly don't irritate me like that abortion of a court design we've got.
From watching the MSJ/Hiram game yesterday, the good news is that the score at the bottom of the screen covers most of the skyline portion of the floor on Fox.
Muskie
11-03-2014, 03:01 PM
The good news is that after Saturday we will have moved on from Black Uniforms and "ugly" courts, to Player X can't shoot, or Player Y slouches too much in the post.
Welcome back Basketball, welcome back.
TUclutch
11-03-2014, 04:03 PM
After looking at the more, and realizing we could have had much worse (Oregon?), I can't say they are awful. Still prefer school colors...but I'll get over it.
When people say this I get slightly annoyed. I prefer the school colors too. Everyone does realize they wear white or blue more often than not, right? That's why black and grey are "alternates". Exceptions for random games. It's not like they are going to wear black every single game.
Milhouse
11-03-2014, 04:09 PM
Hope they make some Black ones available for Sale. Would love one for my man cave.
Kahns Krazy
11-03-2014, 04:51 PM
Hope they make some Black ones available for Sale. Would love one for my man cave.
I don't think that is legal in this country anymore.
RoseyMuskie
11-03-2014, 04:55 PM
When people say this I get slightly annoyed. I prefer the school colors too. Everyone does realize they wear white or blue more often than not, right? That's why black and grey are "alternates". Exceptions for random games. It's not like they are going to wear black every single game.
Except grey makes sense. It's used as an accent on X gear.
The only justification for bringing black back is because David West wore it. I'd like to know the Reebox genius that helped designed those..
And if you play the recruiting card, expect neon highlights in the uniforms real soon..
Muskie
11-03-2014, 06:09 PM
When people say this I get slightly annoyed. I prefer the school colors too. Everyone does realize they wear white or blue more often than not, right? That's why black and grey are "alternates". Exceptions for random games. It's not like they are going to wear black every single game.
It's possible to have alternates that are still school colors.
TUclutch
11-03-2014, 07:11 PM
And my counter is, the school colors are included in the black alternates.
RoseyMuskie
11-03-2014, 08:18 PM
And my counter is, the school colors are included in the black alternates.
By that logic, any school could wear any color desired as long as they include a school color. Let's have Ohio St. wear scarlet and maize and Michigan scarlet and blue. Because X is now wearing its rivals color.
XBand15
11-03-2014, 11:19 PM
We already have White, Blue, and Grey uniforms so the next logical step was for them to make Black alternates. I don't really have a problem with it, but I will say that I don't think they look better than any of the three uniforms we already have.
Black = nobody paying attention to us = sneaking up on people. All part of the strategy.
bleedXblue
11-04-2014, 07:07 AM
Who gives a shi*. They're alternate uni's worn only a few times a season. Just win baby!
Kahns Krazy
11-04-2014, 07:26 AM
The great alternate uni debate, Vol XII. Were you there? Did you hear? What did you wear?
Person 1: I like traditional colors.
Person 2: You are wrong to have a personal preference
Person 3: I like the alternate uniforms
Person 4: Only traditional colors should be worn.
Shuffle, rinse, repeat.
I'm old to some fans, and young to a dwindling few. I think the alternate uniforms are sharp looking, but I also don't think they really look like uniforms I expect X to wear. Things change, some good, some bad, some that seem bad turn good and some that seem good turn bad. Life goes on. I think the fact that these uniforms were developed with the school, team and coaches input says all we need to know. The kids that want to play for X want to wear this uniform. Pretty much ends the debate for me.
Yawn. If you'll excuse me, I'm heading back to the global warming thread. I'll probably be wearing khaki's and a white dress shirt, in case anyone cares.
nuts4xu
11-04-2014, 08:04 AM
It amazes me the things people get worked up over.
As long as they aren't naked, I don't care what they wear as long as the kids wearing the uniforms are ok with it.
Alternate uniforms are nice, and it is always a nice change to see us wearing some different colors.
ballyhoohoo
11-04-2014, 08:08 AM
Looking at what some old biddies are commenting in the Xavier Facebook post regarding the black uniforms the old folk seem to think these are the new main uniforms. They must not understand "alternate".
Muskie
11-04-2014, 08:09 AM
Looking at what some old biddies are commenting in the Xavier Facebook post regarding the black uniforms the old folk seem to think these are the new main uniforms. They must not understand "alternate".
Yes but you're a uniform junkie. You'd dig the uniforms if they had polka dots and good piping.
Fireball
11-04-2014, 09:16 AM
I like the black uniforms better than I do the grey, but what I would really like to see is that our alternate jersey be a throwback. I love the old-style blue that used to be our primary color.
But, they could definitely do worse than the black.
My favorite alternates were the ones that had the royal blue involved and the running musketeer on the shorts. Those felt like what I envision when I hear the term "throwback." I generally agree with the those who say they don't really care what we wear. To me, Xavier would be hard pressed to come up with a really bad looking uniform, given the colors and logos we have. The only thing that would probably really bother me is if we went the full fledged Oregon route with a completely ridiculous explosion of nonsense, or if we used some completely random color for some reason (which wouldn't happen.)
Ledgewood
11-04-2014, 10:00 AM
My favorite alternates were the ones that had the royal blue involved and the running musketeer on the shorts. Those felt like what I envision when I hear the term "throwback."
I wonder what it would look like if someone turned those into a football uniform...
I am a total enthusiast for the aesthetics of athletics. Have not really been a fan of anything new NIKE or Adidas have done in the past 5 or so years that weren't in the throwback styles.
Another note on these black uniforms, is the blue that is used the Xavier navy blue that is used in our logos and uniforms? It sorta looks like they used a lighter color of blue so that it shows up against the black uniforms. Oh my I hope that's not the case. I just couldn't...
BMoreX
11-04-2014, 10:09 AM
My favorite alternates were the ones that had the royal blue involved and the running musketeer on the shorts. Those felt like what I envision when I hear the term "throwback." I generally agree with the those who say they don't really care what we wear. To me, Xavier would be hard pressed to come up with a really bad looking uniform, given the colors and logos we have. The only thing that would probably really bother me is if we went the full fledged Oregon route with a completely ridiculous explosion of nonsense, or if we used some completely random color for some reason (which wouldn't happen.)
Same. I'm pretty sure this was the Brian Grant Jersey Retire game.
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