Kamall Richards Transferring

[BMoreX]

Tom Eiser ‏@Eiser_XU_Sports 19s

Freshman forward Kamall Richards decides to transfer; more at http://GoXavier.com : http://bit.ly/1dBcCbd

[GoMuskies]

How about Fordham?

[muskiefan82]

Best of luck to him. I wish him well and hope he gets fully healthy and can play at a high level.

[throwbackmuskie]

The numbers always workout. Good luck!

[Masterofreality]

Good luck to him. Fordham, Manhattan or some of the other MAAC schools should be a good place to land.

Hope his injury heals well.

[American X]

Good luck, Kamall.

[casualfan]

Can't say i didn't see this one coming.

It's tough to develop veterans when you have so much turnover amongst the young guys in the program.

I'm hoping this is the end of it.

[sirthought]

Well, there will have to be at least one more, right?

And maybe two, no?

[Juice]

Can't say i didn't see this one coming.

It's tough to develop veterans when you have so much turnover amongst the young guys in the program.

I'm hoping this is the end of it.

It's not.

Best of luck to Kamall.

[throwbackmuskie]

Can't say i didn't see this one coming.

It's tough to develop veterans when you have so much turnover amongst the young guys in the program.

I'm hoping this is the end of it.

LOL. Lets see Martin and Davis will have been here for 4 years next year, so there is that.

[GoMuskies]

I want Semaj to come back, so I hope it's NOT the end of it!

[Muskie in dayton]

Well, there will have to be at least one more, right?

And maybe two, no?

We now have 14 players for 13 scholarships. If Semaj goes pro, we are fine.

Best of luck to Kamall, both with the ACL recovery and your basketball future.

[casualfan]

LOL. Lets see Martin and Davis will have been here for 4 years next year, so there is that.

Yeah and that is about it.

Are you really disputing that there has been a lot of turnover among the young guys the past couple of years?

[ballyhoohoo]

Yeah and that is about it.

Are you really disputing that there has been a lot of turnover among the young guys the past couple of years?

That is the nature of college basketball

[Titanxman04]

Yeah and that is about it.

Are you really disputing that there has been a lot of turnover among the young guys the past couple of years?

It's a fluid state of affairs. Kids come and go. You'd like the ones to stay but if we cut out Macura and kept Richards, you'd be pissed. Mack's job is to win games. He does whats best for the program.

[throwbackmuskie]

That is the nature of college basketball

exactly. It really only happened with one class, Martin's. Since then Richards is the 1st transfer out, not counting Wells of course. Richards is only the 5th transfer out since 2008, Walsh, Latham, Canty and McKenzie.

[TUclutch]

Agree. Average of 1 transfer a year isn't bad at all. Sometime you have zero sometimes you have multiple. Its the nature of the game. Mack is paid(hopefully more next year) to win games. Bringing in recruits that make the team better is part of the job even if that means pushing out guys who aren't as talented.

[Titanxman04]

It works for both parties. The players get more PT at another school where they can have more opportunities to shine. No kid wants to ride the bench all four years if there's another option. Well, most kids.

[The_Mack_Pack]

None of the guys besides Wells would've played that much had they stayed anyway. Walsh and Canty would've probably played as upperclassmen but as nothing more than bench depth. Transfers are often good for both sides. Good luck to Kamall and a speedy recovery.

[casualfan]

None of the guys besides Wells would've played that much had they stayed anyway. Walsh and Canty would've probably played as upperclassmen but as nothing more than bench depth. Transfers are often good for both sides. Good luck to Kamall and a speedy recovery.

It's more an issue of taking those guys in the first place. Every time you take a guy that ends up leaving after a year or two you're losing a year or two of development time in the program.

As for the program being average in terms of transfer rate, if being average is the goal then yeah I guess it isn't an issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a huge issue, but it is something worth paying attention to.

A transfer every now and again is not a problem, but when you have roster turnover like we have the past couple years you end up with what we saw last year and this year which was an extremely weak bench.

[xubrew]

Good luck to him. Fordham, Manhattan or some of the other MAAC schools should be a good place to land.

Hope his injury heals well.

Don't insult the MAAC by comparing them to Fordham!!

Fordham basketball is an endless dumpster fire. I hope he doesn't go there.

[nkymuskie]

It works for both parties. The players get more PT at another school where they can have more opportunities to shine. No kid wants to ride the bench all four years if there's another option. Well, most kids.

Unless you are Jon Hood at UK. He's rode the pine pretty consistently at UK. I'm amazed he never transferred out to try and play a little more. He would contribute at nearly every other university in the country.

[nuts4xu]

Are you really disputing that there has been a lot of turnover among the young guys the past couple of years?

We have also been the recipient of a number of transfers. We had 40% of our starters last season transfer from another school. We have another transfer ready to become eligible and play a major role for our squad next season in Remy Abell. Some of our best teams the past several years would have struggled without transfers...where would we have been without Lavender and Crawford.

There will be at least one more loss to the program this off season, and no way around it. As many have said, transfers tend to work out for both parties. The players also see a benefit in finding a better fit, and Xavier is no different than any other school in that regard.

[GoMuskies]

Fordham basketball is an endless dumpster fire. I hope he doesn't go there.

I think Richards is going pro in something other than sports (as the NCAA likes to put it). That being the case, Fordham would be an excellent choice.

[MHettel]

We have also been the recipient of a number of transfers. We had 40% of our starters last season transfer from another school. We have another transfer ready to become eligible and play a major role for our squad next season in Remy Abell. Some of our best teams the past several years would have struggled without transfers...where would we have been without Lavender and Crawford.

There will be at least one more loss to the program this off season, and no way around it. As many have said, transfers tend to work out for both parties. The players also see a benefit in finding a better fit, and Xavier is no different than any other school in that regard.

Jamel McLean, CJ Anderson, Travis Taylor and Andre Walker. These are just a few guys from our recent past.

[GoMuskies]

Adam Simons

[Masterofreality]

exactly. It really only happened with one class, Martin's. Since then Richards is the 1st transfer out, not counting Wells of course. Richards is only the 5th transfer out since 2008, Walsh, Latham, Canty and McKenzie.


Agree. Average of 1 transfer a year isn't bad at all. Sometime you have zero sometimes you have multiple. Its the nature of the game. Mack is paid(hopefully more next year) to win games. Bringing in recruits that make the team better is part of the job even if that means pushing out guys who aren't as talented.

Aaaaand, how many players have transferred out of Tom Crean's IU program in the last 4 years? That would be 5- 3 just this year- and 7 in Crean's 6 years. One of those is Remy Abell.

Plus there is this from SB Nation:

"Well, the non-graduate transfers per year average of a Big Ten coach is 1.10 transfers. Tom Crean sits at 1.17 non-graduate transfers per year. Or, 6% higher than the conference average. The coaches that one should expect to have a transfer pretty much annually are Chris Collins (3 this year), John Groce (5 last season), Patrick Chambers, Matt Painter, Tom Crean, Thad Matta and John Belein."

[GoMuskies]

Erik Stenger

[GoMuskies]

Sheriff Taylor

[xubrew]

I think Richards is going pro in something other than sports (as the NCAA likes to put it). That being the case, Fordham would be an excellent choice.

Not necessarily. If he plays basketball and doesn't put it on his resume, anyone doing a background check would probably discover it. It would just look really bad.

But, then again, maybe not. No one watches Fordham basketball, so perhaps not even a background check would discover it.

[paulxu]

That guy in Kentucky sure has a lot of people transferring out of his program after just one year. He must have a helluva turnover rate.

[XUFan09]

It's more an issue of taking those guys in the first place. Every time you take a guy that ends up leaving after a year or two you're losing a year or two of development time in the program.

As for the program being average in terms of transfer rate, if being average is the goal then yeah I guess it isn't an issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a huge issue, but it is something worth paying attention to.

A transfer every now and again is not a problem, but when you have roster turnover like we have the past couple years you end up with what we saw last year and this year which was an extremely weak bench.

I don't know if it was an intentional implication, but being satisfied with an average transfer rate is very different from being satisfied with average defenders, average shooters, etc. In fact, high-major programs usually have higher transfer rates than the D1 average, due to the remarkably high transfer rate of top 100 players. Luke Winn of Sports Illustrated actually did a very good study on that a year or two ago (Sorry, hard to link on my phone, but you can Google his name with "transfer project" and find it).

I agree that veteran leadership can be lost due to transfers, and this team did hurt from that this past season, with Philmore being the only significant senior. Really, it all comes back to that 2010 class, which was a bust except for Martin. They would have been seniors this year. The problem was that Canty was the only one who would have actually been a contributor, and he got recruited over with Martin and Wells. Next year, we will be past that busted class, and the only deficit will be Wells, who at least gets replaced by a solid 2/3 in Abell.

Now, what will be interesting this time is that someone could be transferring who actually contributed as an underclassman, for the sake of the 2014 class. We'll have to wait and see if that happens.

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[casualfan]

That guy in Kentucky sure has a lot of people transferring out of his program after just one year. He must have a helluva turnover rate.

If Xavier starts sending guys to the NBA after one year you'll get no complaints from me.

[Titanxman04]

It's more an issue of taking those guys in the first place. Every time you take a guy that ends up leaving after a year or two you're losing a year or two of development time in the program.

As for the program being average in terms of transfer rate, if being average is the goal then yeah I guess it isn't an issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a huge issue, but it is something worth paying attention to.

A transfer every now and again is not a problem, but when you have roster turnover like we have the past couple years you end up with what we saw last year and this year which was an extremely weak bench.

As Nutz said, this typically works out for both parties. Richards was brought in and by all accounts, didn't work hard enough. The coaches, if I remember correctly, were disappointed in his desire to get better. He lost playing time early because of that, and then sadly was injured. From there, we build this tremendous recruiting class. The coaches pretty much laid it out to him that he woulnd't see any minutes upon his return and they thought he'd have better opportunities else where. Richards transfers.

The kids know how it goes. I'm sure the writing was on the wall and Richards knew that this was the likely outcome once we bagged Bluiett and Macura. We are guard heavy, and with guys coming in with more talent, Mack and Co. made the move.

Do I wish we kept everyone on the roster all four years? Sure. Am I broken up about losing someone every season and gaining someone else? Absolutely not.

Scouts rank players that turn out to be duds. A lot fo times, it's a crap shoot. Richards didn't work out. Here's to hoping the incoming class does.

[XUFan09]

Not necessarily. If he plays basketball and doesn't put it on his resume, anyone doing a background check would probably discover it. It would just look really bad.

But, then again, maybe not. No one watches Fordham basketball, so perhaps not even a background check would discover it.

He can still put it on his resume. What Go is saying is that it wouldn't be a bad thing for him to go to a school with an awful basketball program but a great academic setting, as the latter will be very helpful down the road. That was partially O'Mara's reasoning for considering Loyola-Chicago.

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[casualfan]

Aaaaand, how many players have transferred out of Tom Crean's IU program in the last 4 years? That would be 5- 3 just this year- and 7 in Crean's 6 years. One of those is Remy Abell.

Plus there is this from SB Nation:

"Well, the non-graduate transfers per year average of a Big Ten coach is 1.10 transfers. Tom Crean sits at 1.17 non-graduate transfers per year. Or, 6% higher than the conference average. The coaches that one should expect to have a transfer pretty much annually are Chris Collins (3 this year), John Groce (5 last season), Patrick Chambers, Matt Painter, Tom Crean, Thad Matta and John Belein."

I'd like to think we're shooting for more success than Indiana has had under Crean.

Guy has exactly 2 tourney appearances in 6 seasons in Bloomington.

[GoMuskies]

He can still put it on his resume. What Go is saying is that it wouldn't be a bad thing for him to go to a school with an awful basketball program but a great academic setting, as the latter will be very helpful down the road. That was partially O'Mara's reasoning for considering Loyola-Chicago.

I believe 'brew was making a funny. You know, Richards would omit Fordham basketball from his resume because he's embarrassed, and employers would eventually find out he played basketball at Fordham and fire him.

[james notsirhc 0]

If Semaj stays, who gets it next? Randolph's dad is sick and he seems to miss home, but I don't necessarily want him to leave.

[MADXSTER]

I don't know if it was an intentional implication, but being satisfied with an average transfer rate is very different from being satisfied with average defenders, average shooters, etc. In fact, high-major programs usually have higher transfer rates than the D1 average, due to the remarkably high transfer rate of top 100 players. Luke Winn of Sports Illustrated actually did a very good study on that a year or two ago (Sorry, hard to link on my phone, but you can Google his name with "transfer project" and find it).

Actually it showed the enormous transfer rate when they were in high school. He showed that once they were in college the transfer rate was equal to all other college students.



Really, it all comes back to that 2010 class, which was a bust except for Martin. They would have been seniors this year. The problem was that Canty was the only one who would have actually been a contributor, and he got recruited over with Martin and Wells. Next year, we will be past that busted class, and the only deficit will be Wells, who at least gets replaced by a solid 2/3 in Abell.
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IMO the reason that class was a bust was due to the asst coaches who also were busts. Ultimately Mack is responsible, I get that ,but IMO that is a big reason why those coaches are no longer here. No one is going to talk about that big white elephant, and posters will talk about how we can't keep asst coaches but once again, IMO they didn't leave as much as they were shown the door. They were not good recruiters and could not spot top tier talent. Not like the asst coaches we have now.

[Titanxman04]

If Semaj stays, who gets it next? Randolph's dad is sick and he seems to miss home, but I don't necessarily want him to leave.

I hate speculating out loud. Not really a cool thing to do in my mind.

[XUFan09]

Actually it showed the enormous transfer rate when they were in high school. He showed that once they were in college the transfer rate was equal to all other college students.



IMO the reason that class was a bust was due to the asst coaches who also were busts. Ultimately Mack is responsible, I get that ,but IMO that is a big reason why those coaches are no longer here. No one is going to talk about that big white elephant, and posters will talk about how we can't keep asst coaches but once again, IMO they didn't leave as much as they were shown the door. They were not good recruiters and could not spot top tier talent. Not like the asst coaches we have now.

Ah, I mis-recalled that, thanks.

And yeah, we actually benefited from that assistant turnover. Latham is particularly interesting. I don't know who the assistants were that were involved in his recruitment, but both Miller and Mack had a commitment from him.

The turnover helped with the Melvin Swift situation too. Though I think the major issue with him was that he, as a high upside recruit, didn't really improve at all in nearly a year's time, he was also a guy who verballed when the staff had to put almost all their trust in the assessment of an assistant who is no longer with the program.

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[XUFan09]

I believe 'brew was making a funny. You know, Richards would omit Fordham basketball from his resume because he's embarrassed, and employers would eventually find out he played basketball at Fordham and fire him.

Yeah, I realized that after the fact.

*embarrassed*

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[Masterofreality]

exactly. It really only happened with one class, Martin's. Since then Richards is the 1st transfer out, not counting Wells of course. Richards is only the 5th transfer out since 2008, Walsh, Latham, Canty and McKenzie.


I'd like to think we're shooting for more success than Indiana has had under Crean.

Guy has exactly 2 tourney appearances in 6 seasons in Bloomington.

Just a comparison as to what a high transfer rate looks like. But what about the transfer rates under Beilein and Beaknose? They've had plenty of success.

[Masterofreality]

exactly. It really only happened with one class, Martin's. Since then Richards is the 1st transfer out, not counting Wells of course. Richards is only the 5th transfer out since 2008, Walsh, Latham, Canty and McKenzie.


Actually it showed the enormous transfer rate when they were in high school. He showed that once they were in college the transfer rate was equal to all other college students.



IMO the reason that class was a bust was due to the asst coaches who also were busts. Ultimately Mack is responsible, I get that ,but IMO that is a big reason why those coaches are no longer here. No one is going to talk about that big white elephant, and posters will talk about how we can't keep asst coaches but once again, IMO they didn't leave as much as they were shown the door. They were not good recruiters and could not spot top tier talent. Not like the asst coaches we have now.

Yeah, Bino Ranson who recruited Jordan Latham was a real eagle-eye. He sure is tearing it up at Maryland. They're killing it. Without Dez, they are horrible.

[XU Cowbell Kid]

If Semaj stays, who gets it next? Randolph's dad is sick and he seems to miss home, but I don't necessarily want him to leave.

Surprisingly, one thing I have not seen mentioned on this board is the idea that an incoming recruit could redshirt. That of course is assuming that Semaj actually stays, which still seems highly doubtful to me. If I recall correctly, we haven't had a legitimate redshirt since DBrown, but if the coaching staff doesn't want anyone to leave and they think one of our players could use some extra development, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

[TUclutch]

Surprisingly, one thing I have not seen mentioned on this board is the idea that an incoming recruit could redshirt. That of course is assuming that Semaj actually stays, which still seems highly doubtful to me. If I recall correctly, we haven't had a legitimate redshirt since DBrown, but if the coaching staff doesn't want anyone to leave and they think one of our players could use some extra development, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

Redshirts are still on scholarship

[XU Cowbell Kid]

Redshirts are still on scholarship

Ah. Didn't know that. Now I see why nobody else suggested it! :ashamed:

[james notsirhc 0]

Surprisingly, one thing I have not seen mentioned on this board is the idea that an incoming recruit could redshirt. That of course is assuming that Semaj actually stays, which still seems highly doubtful to me. If I recall correctly, we haven't had a legitimate redshirt since DBrown, but if the coaching staff doesn't want anyone to leave and they think one of our players could use some extra development, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

My buddy and I tried to figure out if a redshirt frosh still counts against our scholarship allotment. While very vague and not specifically cited anywhere, it seemed like a redshirt would still count against our scholarship limit. If somebody could clarify that be amazing?

[MADXSTER]

Redshirts always count against the scholly count.

[LA Muskie]

Surprisingly, one thing I have not seen mentioned on this board is the idea that an incoming recruit could redshirt. That of course is assuming that Semaj actually stays, which still seems highly doubtful to me. If I recall correctly, we haven't had a legitimate redshirt since DBrown, but if the coaching staff doesn't want anyone to leave and they think one of our players could use some extra development, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.
A redshirt still uses up a schollie. So while a player may or may not benefit from it, it doesn't help the schollie situation at all.

[LA Muskie]

My buddy and I tried to figure out if a redshirt frosh still counts against our scholarship allotment. While very vague and not specifically cited anywhere, it seemed like a redshirt would still count against our scholarship limit. If somebody could clarify that be amazing?
It wouldn't count as a schollie if they paid their own way during their redshirt year. But a player volunteering to pay his own way (full freight; no aid...) is very, very rare.

[MHettel]

Adam Simons

doesnt count.

[BandAid]

Good luck to Kamall.

[MADXSTER]

doesnt count.

But he was never on an athletic scholarship. Walk on's don't count either.

[Masterofreality]

And just like that, in a matter of 6 hours, our roster number clears up.

13 for 13.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

And just like that, in a matter of 6 hours, our roster number clears up.

13 for 13.

Maybe coach Mach knows this all along........no sweat.

[Masterofreality]

Maybe coach Mach knows this all along........no sweat.

It always works out. I would say that pre-season the percentage of Semaj leaving was 75-80%. Sooooo, you recruit for that and adjust.

[bleedXblue]

Could use some help on this.

Players that have transferred out of the program the last 5 years:

Jordan Latham
Jay Canty
Griffin Mackenzie
Kamall Richards
Mark Lyons

Am I missing anyone?

[XUGRAD80]

Maybe coach Mach knows this all along........no sweat.

On his last, or next to last, radio show he was asked about finding space for all the incoming players. He told the questioner not to worry, it would be worked out. Pretty sure that neither Kamal or Semaj were a surprise to him.

[Always Learning]

It wouldn't count as a schollie if they paid their own way during their redshirt year. But a player volunteering to pay his own way (full freight; no aid...) is very, very rare.

Pleas help out with some clarification.
I understand that any player who pays his own way is NOT a scholarship player, i.e. walk on's.
But, I am reading here that any player who red-shirts as a Freshman (first year) and is on scholarship that scholarship does not count against the NCAA limits. It that factually true, or is that being assumed?
Secondly, does a player who transfers in from another program count against the scholarship limit?

If an incoming player "red shirts" as a freshman, and it does not count against the limit, then why isn't everybody bring in one or two "red-shirt projects" every year to determine if they are "futures.?"

[casualfan]

Could use some help on this.

Players that have transferred out of the program the last 5 years:

Jordan Latham
Jay Canty
Griffin Mackenzie
Kamall Richards
Mark Lyons

Am I missing anyone?

Brian Walsh
Dez Wells
Chris Cantino

[nkymuskie]

Pleas help out with some clarification.
I understand that any player who pays his own way is NOT a scholarship player, i.e. walk on's.
But, I am reading here that any player who red-shirts as a Freshman (first year) and is on scholarship that scholarship does not count against the NCAA limits. It that factually true, or is that being assumed?
Secondly, does a player who transfers in from another program count against the scholarship limit?

If an incoming player "red shirts" as a freshman, and it does not count against the limit, then why isn't everybody bring in one or two "red-shirt projects" every year to determine if they are "futures.?"

If you are recruited to play basketball and accept a scholarship it doesn't matter if you redshirt or play 40 minutes a game. Both situations count towards the scholarship total, the redshirt just tacks on an additional year of eligibility after their academic senior year.

You could have 13 freshman redshirts if you wanted. If this is the case you better have a ton of walk ons that can play and you also better start looking for a new job.


More or less redshirt = scholarship. You can have 13 total scholarships.

[LA Muskie]

Pleas help out with some clarification.
I understand that any player who pays his own way is NOT a scholarship player, i.e. walk on's.
But, I am reading here that any player who red-shirts as a Freshman (first year) and is on scholarship that scholarship does not count against the NCAA limits. It that factually true, or is that being assumed?
Secondly, does a player who transfers in from another program count against the scholarship limit?

If an incoming player "red shirts" as a freshman, and it does not count against the limit, then why isn't everybody bring in one or two "red-shirt projects" every year to determine if they are "futures.?"

A redshirt uses up a scholarship. As does a transfer who needs to sit out a year. With rare exception (employee tuition remission and dual sport players come to mind) unless you are paying full freight while attending you count against the scholarship limit.

Edit: Another (obvious) exception: unrecruited walk-ons.

[MADXSTER]

There was a Cincinnati player who played for Huggins for 4 years. His 5th year he came back and played football as a tight end. I believe he was drafted by the NFL. Always thought that was pretty cool.

[throwbackmuskie]

Lyons graduated then moved on. As for Cantino I do not think the NCAA ever cleared him to play. So really only 5 players transferred who didn't workout.

[Juice]

Lyons graduated then moved on. As for Cantino I do not think the NCAA ever cleared him to play. So really only 5 players transferred who didn't workout.

The NCAA did clear him. They just screwed him on eligibility because he played in some JUCO tournament that cost him one year of eligibility.

[casualfan]

There was a Cincinnati player who played for Huggins for 4 years. His 5th year he came back and played football as a tight end. I believe he was drafted by the NFL. Always thought that was pretty cool.

Are you thinking of Conner Barwin?

He first played football then played two years of basketball before getting drafted into NFL. He now plays for the Eagles.

[Juice]

Lyons graduated then moved on. As for Cantino I do not think the NCAA ever cleared him to play. So really only 5 players transferred who didn't workout.

Jimmy Graham did that at Miami.

[MADXSTER]

Are you thinking of Conner Barwin?

He first played football then played two years of basketball before getting drafted into NFL. He now plays for the Eagles.

Very possible. I had never heard of an athlete taking advantage of 5 years of full ride scholarship without redshirting by playing tow sports. Just thought that was pretty awesome.

[Thor in 204]

Are you thinking of Conner Barwin?

He first played football then played two years of basketball before getting drafted into NFL. He now plays for the Eagles.



Curtis Bostic? To Redskins?

[Juice]

Very possible. I had never heard of an athlete taking advantage of 5 years of full ride scholarship without redshirting by playing tow sports. Just thought that was pretty awesome.

Greg Paulus at Syracuse as we'll.

[XUFan09]

Greg Paulus at Syracuse as we'll.

That just invites this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0upQDkY-pg

[sirthought]

Very possible. I had never heard of an athlete taking advantage of 5 years of full ride scholarship without redshirting by playing tow sports. Just thought that was pretty awesome.

Conner was a tight end on the football team with Brian Kelly. When Huggins left, Andy Kennedy asked him to play for one year. Then Mick Cronin also got him for one year. Then Brain Kelly made him switch to defensive end and he really exploded and was drafted by the Houston Texans. He's now a major player at the Eagles. I think there are three former Bearcats on the Eagles team.

If I remember correctly, Julius Pepper was a football player at North Carolina, but was also playing for the basketball team and was one of their better players one year. I thought he was crazy to try the NFL when he was so good at hoops, but he played in the NFL for a decent number of years.

[DC Muskie]

I think there are three former Bearcats on the Eagles team.

Which makes it so easy to hate the Eagles even more.

[Juice]

Conner was a tight end on the football team with Brian Kelly. When Huggins left, Andy Kennedy asked him to play for one year. Then Mick Cronin also got him for one year. Then Brain Kelly made him switch to defensive end and he really exploded and was drafted by the Houston Texans. He's now a major player at the Eagles. I think there are three former Bearcats on the Eagles team.

If I remember correctly, Julius Pepper was a football player at North Carolina, but was also playing for the basketball team and was one of their better players one year. I thought he was crazy to try the NFL when he was so good at hoops, but he played in the NFL for a decent number of years.

He's still playing.

[profson]

Apropos of nothing in particular, the sophomore PG for NC State who carved XU up is transferring.

[Juice]

Apropos of nothing in particular, the sophomore PG for NC State who carved XU up is transferring.

Had no idea until this weekend that Tyler Lewis was a McDonald's All American.

[profson]

Had no idea until this weekend that Tyler Lewis was a McDonald's All American.

So was his back-up, frosh Anthony ("Cat") Barber, who actually got more minutes. Lewis probably saw the writing on the wall.

[Snipe]

Good luck to Kamall!

[xu82]

Good luck to Kamall!

Indeed! Don't want to lose track of the central point here. Good luck to Kamall in your recovery and your future!

[Emp]

Conner was a tight end on the football team with Brian Kelly. When Huggins left, Andy Kennedy asked him to play for one year. Then Mick Cronin also got him for one year. Then Brain Kelly made him switch to defensive end and he really exploded and was drafted by the Houston Texans. He's now a major player at the Eagles. I think there are three former Bearcats on the Eagles team.



And a fine Jesuit-Educated young man (UD Jesuit)

[TUclutch]

Quentin Rollins is playing football for Miami University after being the Miami PG for 4 years. Even with Miami not being very good, theyre still D1 meaning you have to be a pretty good athlete. Probably never would have noticed had it not been for this thread and people talking about playing a different sport for a 5th year.

[xavbball]

Had no idea until this weekend that Tyler Lewis was a McDonald's All American.

According to ESPN, Xavier was on his list of possible schools to transfer: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack


NC State announced last weekend that Lewis would look to play elsewhere. In a phone interview with The Associated Press, Lewis said he looked at Purdue, Xavier, Charlotte, Gonzaga and UAB before choosing Butler.

[xsteve1]

According to ESPN, Xavier was on his list of possible schools to transfer: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack

Lewis heading to Butler. Good for Butler, seems like a perfect fit.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack

[Masterofreality]

Lewis heading to Butler. Good for Butler, seems like a perfect fit.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack

Actually, yes. I know that many like to hate on Butler and all, but we all need this league to be good...top to bottom.

We just have to be better, that's all.

[mistabeecee41]

Actually, yes. I know that many like to hate on Butler and all, but we all need this league to be good...top to bottom.

We just have to be better, that's all.

Got a creepy text from a good friend of a picture of a tall, black man in Dunkin Donuts in an X shirt/lanyard outside of Philly with a "who is this" caption. Looked like Kamall, so I did some digging and it looks like he decided to go the JUCO route and attend Harcum College, right near Villanova. Feel bad for the kid and wish him the best of luck. When I got the text I was hoping maybe he had landed at one of the Philly A-10 schools

http://verbalcommits.com/players/kamall-richards