NYC woman in Coma after having a shopping cart dropped on her head

[boozehound]

How messed up is this? (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/12-year-old-boys-arrested-for-allegedly-dropping-shopping-cart-on-nyc-mother/)

These kids would be a fantastic test run for my proposed "Eye for an eye" justice system.

Imagine if instead of spending all the money incarcerating these kids we just dropped a shopping cart on their heads from 4 stories up? That would cost very little and would be an excellent deterrent, IMHO. Same thing with the kids that threw a brick into a taxi on Columbia Pkwy a few years back and hit that girl in the head resulting in permanent brain damage. Eye for an eye.

[Snipe]

We don't have the money to lock them away anymore. I wouldn't be against a bullet to the back of the head, unless someone can cough up the money to incarcerate them.

Another guy just got custody of his kid back and then beat the two year old baby to death. I don't know where to draw the line I guess, but I would mind the line being drawn after we put a bullet in the back of his head too.

I think Eugenics has a bad name. It is time to thin the herd. Can't wait until the shift of the Overton Window. Thin the herd.

[Snipe]

The two young suspects were telling jokes and laughing with each other after they were taken into custody, police sources told the newspaper.

"They were just doing it for fun," one law enforcement source said of the alleged crime.

The suspects were reportedly charged in Family Court with assault as juveniles.

link (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/12-year-old-boys-arrested-for-allegedly-dropping-shopping-cart-on-nyc-mother/#ixzz1cZ0L6Vx4)

Anyone willing to bet they were Mormons? Let's start a pool to guess the demographics.

I bet they were Mormons. I hate Mormons.

[BBC 08]

I bet they were Mormons. I hate Mormons.

Same with me and Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Nazis.

[PM Thor]

This apparently comes from the POS 22 year old mother in the case that Snipe is referencing. When told she is going to lose custody of her 5 remaining kids, the pregnant AGAIN mother reportedly was quoted as saying
"I lose custody, I lose my check."
22 years old, pregnant 7 times, and obviously was on state assistance. Something has to change about this system. This kind of abuse cannot continue, and children suffer and die because of it.

I HATE dayton.

[Kahns Krazy]

Is it wrong that I get filled with rage when I read stories like this, and dream about the chance to torture these boys? I was thinking it would be fun to get a drill with a rusty speedbor bit and take it to their knees and shoulders. Just freaking shred them in a way that would leave them totally useless, but aware of all of the pain. Maybe start with the feet and fingers so you could build up the pain.

[xu2006]

Is it wrong that I get filled with rage when I read stories like this, and dream about the chance to torture these boys? I was thinking it would be fun to get a drill with a rusty speedbor bit and take it to their knees and shoulders. Just freaking shred them in a way that would leave them totally useless, but aware of all of the pain. Maybe start with the feet and fingers so you could build up the pain.

Just thinking of that made me shudder. Nice.

[Snipe]

This apparently comes from the POS 22 year old mother in the case that Snipe is referencing. When told she is going to lose custody of her 5 remaining kids, the pregnant AGAIN mother reportedly was quoted as saying
"I lose custody, I lose my check."
22 years old, pregnant 7 times, and obviously was on state assistance. Something has to change about this system. This kind of abuse cannot continue, and children suffer and die because of it.

I HATE dayton.

We need a public mechanism to sterilize women like her, and we need it yesterday.

That woman has no right to breed.

We need some weed killer.

[boozehound]

Is it wrong that I get filled with rage when I read stories like this, and dream about the chance to torture these boys? I was thinking it would be fun to get a drill with a rusty speedbor bit and take it to their knees and shoulders. Just freaking shred them in a way that would leave them totally useless, but aware of all of the pain. Maybe start with the feet and fingers so you could build up the pain.

Reps both public and private for this post.

If that is wrong, I don't want to be right. It sounds brutal to say it, but I completely agree. I really felt that way about the guys that tortured and killed the family in Connecticut, where the Dad survived but his whole family was killed. I think that the Dad in that case should own those guys lives. He should be able to torture them every day for the rest of his life in the most brutal ways possible.

I have heard people say that stricter punishments are not a deterrent to crime. I personally disagree and would like to test that theory with punishments actually befitting of the crimes committed. You commit a violent crime against an innocent person and you pay big time.

[blobfan]

I still don't see why we can't remove kids from the homes of welfare parents. It's not eugenics, it's self-selection. You should be allowed one accident but have a 2nd while on welfare, you lose your child. Permanantly. Lots of people will adopt babies. I think having a child when you don't have a job to support them is child abuse. If you object to that, dont' accept public assistance. If churches or other groups object to that, they can support these people. But if you are on assistance and are requesting an increase after having a 2nd child on assistance, you should be done.

I really think we confuse the social responsibility to care for our neighbors with governmental responsibility. The government should only do what communities CANNOT. Not what we are too lazy to do.

[Snipe]

I agree with Blobfan. We shouldn't pay those women to have kids, we should be taking those kids away if they can't support them.

[boozehound]

I agree with Blobfan. We shouldn't pay those women to have kids, we should be taking those kids away if they can't support them.

Yeah. It's a pretty messed up system. Many uneducated people can make way more money having kids than they can working any job that they are even remotely qualified for. Having a ton of kids is the smart thing for them to do! We need to remove the incentives for irresponsible behavior.

[muckem muckem]

How much is the first kid worth? How much for each new one? Does the check come monthly?

[BENWAR]

I would like to put people like this in a huge aquarium and slowly fill it with water over a 3-4 hour span.

We could put it on pay per view with the proceeds going to the victims families.

[PM Thor]

I agree with Blobfan. We shouldn't pay those women to have kids, we should be taking those kids away if they can't support them.
The problem here is that having a kid removed won't be a detriment to some people from having even more. And then the state has to take care of those kids full time too. Removing kids really doesn't solve any problem.

I HATE dayton.

[Kahns Krazy]

I would like to put people like this in a huge aquarium and slowly fill it with water over a 3-4 hour span.

We could put it on pay per view with the proceeds going to the victims families.

Wasn't there a movie-length "Creepshow" where a guy buried someone up to their neck on the beach at low tide. He buried him below the high tide line, so as the tide came it, it tortured him in waves until ultimately he drowned?

Yeah, that would be good too.

[Kahns Krazy]

The problem here is that having a kid removed won't be a detriment to some people from having even more. And then the state has to take care of those kids full time too. Removing kids really doesn't solve any problem.

I HATE dayton.

Is your solution to everything to have "the state" take care of it?

There are long waiting lists for adoptions.

[sweet16]

The problem here is that having a kid removed won't be a detriment to some people from having even more. And then the state has to take care of those kids full time too. Removing kids really doesn't solve any problem.

I HATE dayton.

I'm not so sure about that. These people are not stupid. Uneducated yes but not stupid. They're friggin' con artists. They're fully aware that the more kids they have the more support they receive. They don't get married and make responsible decisions about when and how many kids they should have and how many they can nuture and support. Another kid is simply another revenue stream.

[smileyy]

Most of the posters in this thread horrify me. You want to torture children? You anticipate the pleasure you get from it?

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If Gandhi is a bit too touchy-feely-liberal for you, there's Matthew 5:38-39.

[GoMuskies]

You want to torture children?

I don't want to do it, but these particular children richly deserve it. If someone else wanted to torture them, I'd be willing to look the other way.

[smileyy]

I don't want to do it, but these particular children richly deserve it. If someone else wanted to torture them, I'd be willing to look the other way.

Thanks for confirming my opinion. Actually, you made it worse.

[GoMuskies]

You're welcome.

[Snipe]

The problem here is that having a kid removed won't be a detriment to some people from having even more. And then the state has to take care of those kids full time too. Removing kids really doesn't solve any problem.

I HATE dayton.

That is why we should sterilize welfare moms.

[Snipe]

Most of the posters in this thread horrify me. You want to torture children? You anticipate the pleasure you get from it?

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If Gandhi is a bit too touchy-feely-liberal for you, there's Matthew 5:38-39.

I did not advocate torture, just a bullet to the back of the head. Quick and easy.

[Xavgrad08]

This quote is absolutely sickening "The two young suspects were telling jokes and laughing with each other after they were taken into custody". My thoughts and prayers go out to the woman.

[Snipe]

Those Mormons are animals.

[boozehound]

I don't want to do it, but these particular children richly deserve it. If someone else wanted to torture them, I'd be willing to look the other way.

Agree. As much as I sometimes think I would, I don't know that I would actually want to personally torture anyone. Maybe not though. I've never been in that situation.

Here how I view this: When people do something to maim or kill an innocent person then they give up their status as a human and essentially become animals. You have vacated your right to the basic standards of treatment that human beings enjoy.

Society works much better when people are not killing each other. I am in favor of the fastest most permanant way to prevent people from killing each other. What if we summarily executed murders, rapists, and other people who committed serious violent crimes against another person? The violent criminals would be dead. The people in prison would be non-violent offenders, which might actually give those people a realistic chance to rehabilite in prison. The United States saves a lot of money. Everybody wins, except for violent criminals of course, but I don't care what happens to them anyways.

Punishment befitting the crime would be a further deterrent to people doing really messed up things to other people. If you do something truly horrible, like the guys in Connecticut did, then a simple bullet to the head is not enough. They tortured that family for a weekend and did unspeakable things to the wife and children. They should get a taste of their own medicine.

[MCXU]

OK, How bout this.

You are entitled to your welfare as is after your first child. If you have a 2nd child, you may recieve a 1 time increase in your welfare on the condition that you are permenantly, medically sterilized. If you choose not to receive the state funded sterilization you will not recieve any additional welfare.

Also, put me down as in favor of the various posters ideas for torture. They all seem creative and unique.

[Kahns Krazy]

Most of the posters in this thread horrify me. You want to torture children? You anticipate the pleasure you get from it?

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If Gandhi is a bit too touchy-feely-liberal for you, there's Matthew 5:38-39.


I have no urge at all to act out the rage that I feel that I described above. Moreso, I'm pretty sure that if I was in a room with another person doing exactly what I described, I would stop them.

I have daydreams all the time. I dream about what it would be like to win the lottery when I don't even have a ticket. I think about leading the bengals to the Super Bowl. I think about adding some sort of motion sensor and solar powered motor to my back gate so I could open it when my hands are full. I'm not actually going to do any of these things, but sometimes, it's an enjoyable way to pass the time.

I'm not going to get a rusty bit and shred kids' knees.

[smileyy]

Ok, I'll go back to answer your OP then:


Is it wrong that I get filled with rage when I read stories like this, and dream about the chance to torture these boys?

Wrong? No, because there's no such thing as thoughtcrime.

Would I think it made you a better person if you didn't, yes, very much so. Do I think that could possibly change some of your actions in this world? Possibly.

[blobfan]

Wasn't there a movie-length "Creepshow" where a guy buried someone up to their neck on the beach at low tide. He buried him below the high tide line, so as the tide came it, it tortured him in waves until ultimately he drowned?

Yeah, that would be good too.
4 stories I believe and the death by high tide one had Ted Danson in it, if I remember correctly. It ends with him buried up to his neck (by the the two people he killed), saying "I can hold my breath for a long, long time!." The other stories were Buster Poindexter as a hit man plagued by cats, a monster in a box, and I'm pretty sure there was a 4th but can't think of it now. I think this movie gave birth to the HBO series with the Criptkeeper.

Most of the posters in this thread horrify me. You want to torture children? You anticipate the pleasure you get from it?

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If Gandhi is a bit too touchy-feely-liberal for you, there's Matthew 5:38-39.
I can't get behind the torturing of children or even hold them accountable for their actions. Research shows more and more that impulse control and rational processes aren't fully formed until late teens and even into the mid-20s. That's why even teenagers need parental contact and supervision. My vote is to drop a shopping cart on the parents heads. Or better yet, sell them as human slaves to pay for the 10 years min of therapy it will take to reprogram these kids to be contributing members of society, assuming it isn't too late.

[Kahns Krazy]

Ok, I'll go back to answer your OP then:



Wrong? No, because there's no such thing as thoughtcrime.

Would I think it made you a better person if you didn't, yes, very much so. Do I think that could possibly change some of your actions in this world? Possibly.

I can't really figure out what your last statement means. You would think I was a much better person if I read stories like this and thought to myself "Oh well, kids will be kids! Ha ha!"?

I find that kind of disturbing.

[KC4X]

4 stories I believe and the death by high tide one had Ted Danson in it, if I remember correctly. It ends with him buried up to his neck (by the the two people he killed), saying "I can hold my breath for a long, long time!." The other stories were Buster Poindexter as a hit man plagued by cats, a monster in a box, and I'm pretty sure there was a 4th but can't think of it now. I think this movie gave birth to the HBO series with the Criptkeeper.

- Whatsa matta Mr. Pratt? BUUUGS got your tongue?
- Meteor shit, with Stephen King himself.


I can't get behind the torturing of children or even hold them accountable for their actions. Research shows more and more that impulse control and rational processes aren't fully formed until late teens and even into the mid-20s. That's why even teenagers need parental contact and supervision. My vote is to drop a shopping cart on the parents heads. Or better yet, sell them as human slaves to pay for the 10 years min of therapy it will take to reprogram these kids to be contributing members of society, assuming it isn't too late.

Not sure how you think that is an appropriate thing to say. Even if joking, it's extremely cold and thoughtless.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Sometimes, these delinquent children were not taught what is right or wrong and do not realize the consequences of their acts of "just having fun". I agree they should be punished, but more importantly, society should punish their parents, who either don't care or are too lazy to teach their kids.

[boozehound]

I can't get behind the torturing of children or even hold them accountable for their actions. Research shows more and more that impulse control and rational processes aren't fully formed until late teens and even into the mid-20s. That's why even teenagers need parental contact and supervision. My vote is to drop a shopping cart on the parents heads. Or better yet, sell them as human slaves to pay for the 10 years min of therapy it will take to reprogram these kids to be contributing members of society, assuming it isn't too late.

How does that work then? Kids can do what ever they want and aren't accountable for their actions untils they are in the late teens or even mid-20's? None of the people I hung out with when I was a teen thought it was funny to maim and kill people and they were all 'children' by that definition. My theory is that if you are capable of doing something like that to an innocent person than you need to be removed from society. Permanently. I don't care if you have shitty parents. I don't want you dropping a shopping cart on me or a member of my family for shits and giggles.


Sometimes, these delinquent children were not taught what is right or wrong and do not realize the consequences of their acts of "just having fun". I agree they should be punished, but more importantly, society should punish their parents, who either don't care or are too lazy to teach their kids.

Punish them both then, but the kids don't get a free pass. I don't care who your parents were, someone capable of doing something like that to an innocent person and then laughing about it afterwards is messed up in the head to the point that they are a threat to society. I don't care if they weren't taught the consequences of their actions. They saw the consequences of their actions afterwards and still thought it was funny. How much parenting do you need to know that brutally harming innocent people isn't funny? Furthermore, if they truly are that far gone what are the chances that they will ever be able to live anything resembling a normal life without harming others?

[GoMuskies]

OK, I'm convinced. No torture. These Mormons should be put down humanely.

[BBC 08]

You all should be neg repped for not responding to an amazing Blues Brothers reference.

[Tardy Turtle]

I fully support immolation via grease fire for Target-Cart-Droppers and Toddler-Stompers and most other violent miscreants. I'll even volunteer to light the first match.

*Please note that I am a full-blown sociopath and enjoy being one.

[Smails]

- Whatsa matta Mr. Pratt? BUUUGS got your tongue?
- Meteor shit, with Stephen King himself.



Not sure how you think that is an appropriate thing to say. Even if joking, it's extremely cold and thoughtless.


Lighten the hell up. Cold and thoughtless would be smashing the skull of an innocent person with a shopping cart and then laughing about it. I say take these two degenerates and lock them up in GenPop for a month. if that doesn't scare them straight then they'll end up back there anyway. Have them share a cell with Shillinger
http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2011_01_nickoz.jpg

[boozehound]

Interesting article here about the cost of violent crime.

How Much Violent Crime Costs Taxpayers (http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/how-much-violent-crimes-cost-taxpayers)

Crazy that a fairly 'routine' murder costs around $1MM.