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GoMuskies
06-07-2011, 05:26 PM
In shocking news (to no one).

Porkopolis
06-07-2011, 05:41 PM
In shocking news (to no one).


Except Thom Brennaman who swore up and down he was staying. :D

gladdenguy
06-07-2011, 08:24 PM
O-LIE-O and vest sucking fans......Love it.

Fred Garvin 2.0
06-07-2011, 09:06 PM
O-LIE-O and vest sucking fans......Love it.

Love the sanctimony. Chris Weber lied more than Wiener.

boozehound
06-07-2011, 09:19 PM
Love the sanctimony. Chris Weber lied more than Wiener.

You have a point.

I would argue that a punishment similar in scope to what the NCAA did to Michigan basketball is warranted for OSU in this situation.

The key difference in the situations is that I don't recall Steve Fisher being regarded as a pillar of virtue within the coaching community the way Tressel was. I also don't recall Steve Fisher writing a borderline preachy book about winning, replete with quotes like "Integrity is what you do when no one else is looking". Michigan certainly doesn't have a monopoly on sanctimony, it seems.

If this whole thing had happened to Saban at Alabama or something people would be far less shocked and I think the whole story would be a lot less interesting. People thought OSU was clean, which is why the entire sports world is so interested.

Fred Garvin 2.0
06-07-2011, 09:31 PM
Frankly, I don't care if OSU gets the USC treatment. Not an expert on Fisher, but I've heard Knight and others defend him during this recent SDSU run. Probably just revisionism and, pointedly, the revisionism that comes with aging. Happens to us all.

Xavier
06-08-2011, 12:12 AM
You have a point.

I would argue that a punishment similar in scope to what the NCAA did to Michigan basketball is warranted for OSU in this situation.

The key difference in the situations is that I don't recall Steve Fisher being regarded as a pillar of virtue within the coaching community the way Tressel was. I also don't recall Steve Fisher writing a borderline preachy book about winning, replete with quotes like "Integrity is what you do when no one else is looking". Michigan certainly doesn't have a monopoly on sanctimony, it seems.

If this whole thing had happened to Saban at Alabama or something people would be far less shocked and I think the whole story would be a lot less interesting. People thought OSU was clean, which is why the entire sports world is so interested.

Shocking, to me. JT had a history of cheating- why would he change while at OSU.

nuts4xu
06-08-2011, 12:24 AM
T Pryor would look great in Bengal stripes!

Mike Brown is the redeemer!!

gladdenguy
06-08-2011, 06:50 AM
Love the sanctimony. Chris Weber lied more than Wiener.

I don't know Chris Weber. Never heard of him.
Chris Webber, on the other hand, did take money. F'him....who cares. Michigan got what they deserved.
However, they did not hire a coach who got straight off the bus at Youngstown St cheating his arse off. Easy to see how they won so frequently in the Big 10 for the last decade.
At least Cooper got his arse kicked honestly.
O-LIE-O fans are sucking it now. It's awesome.

Damn Garvin, I didn't know you such a Not so Luckeye diehard....enjoy the downtime coming up.
Thats okay....take off this football season and get ready for Muskie bball.

gladdenguy
06-08-2011, 06:55 AM
More Pryor....netting $40,000 from signing autographs.

Gets better everyday. O-LIE-O.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6637444

boozehound
06-08-2011, 07:18 AM
This is getting very very bad for OSU.

xu95
06-08-2011, 08:06 AM
If this whole thing had happened to Saban at Alabama or something people would be far less shocked and I think the whole story would be a lot less interesting. People thought OSU was clean, which is why the entire sports world is so interested.

I like how people just naturally assume that Alabama and Saban are doing shady shit.

xu95

XUFan09
06-08-2011, 09:19 AM
I like how people just naturally assume that Alabama and Saban are doing shady shit.

xu95

It's probably a pretty safe assumption for <Insert SEC team here>

gladdenguy
06-08-2011, 09:31 AM
SEC Cheaters
Definitely - Florida (Urban Meyer), Alabama (Nick Saban), Auburn (no doubt), Miss St (tried but failed at least once)
Probably - Georgia, Miss, LSU.
Maybe not - Vanderbilt, Kentucky.

Most kids are scared to play in the cold (especially pussies from Florida). That is another factor that helps the SEC.

On a side note, Jim Tressel turned out to be the shadiest of them all. And his book was about integrity. Makes me sick.

Muskie
06-08-2011, 09:32 AM
SEC Cheaters
Definitely - Florida (Urban Meyer), Alabama (Nick Saban), Auburn (no doubt), Miss St (tried but failed at least once)
Probably - Georgia, Miss, LSU.
Maybe not - Vanderbilt, Kentucky.

Most kids are scared to play in the cold (especially pussies from Florida). That is another factor that helps the SEC.

On a side note, Jim Tressel turned out to be the shadiest of them all. And his book was about integrity. Makes me sick.

I can send you Tony Dungy's book if you're looking to make a change.

GoMuskies
06-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Kentucky was on probation not long ago, so they definitely were among the cheaters at one point. Perhaps not now, though.

Xavier
06-08-2011, 11:13 AM
I like how people just naturally assume that Alabama and Saban are doing shady shit.

xu95

You honestly don't think almost every school does shady shit? I would say 95% of the schools break the rules in some way or another.

bourbonman
06-08-2011, 12:08 PM
Kentucky was on probation not long ago, so they definitely were among the cheaters at one point. Perhaps not now, though.

Heck, Kentucky's been on probabtion twice since I was in college for football violations. Sad to think they have to cheat to beat that bad. (AND I say this as a Kentucky football fan. :( )

xu95
06-08-2011, 12:18 PM
You honestly don't think almost every school does shady shit? I would say 95% of the schools break the rules in some way or another.

I do honestly think almost every school does shady shit. I just think it is funny that Boozehound used Alabama as an example.

Everyone hates a winner.

xu95

xu95
06-08-2011, 12:20 PM
SEC Cheaters
Definitely - Florida (Urban Meyer), Alabama (Nick Saban), Auburn (no doubt), Miss St (tried but failed at least once)
Probably - Georgia, Miss, LSU.
Maybe not - Vanderbilt, Kentucky.

Most kids are scared to play in the cold (especially pussies from Florida). That is another factor that helps the SEC.

On a side note, Jim Tressel turned out to be the shadiest of them all. And his book was about integrity. Makes me sick.

The same list could be made for every conference. Hell, Michigan and Ohio State are just two schools in the Big 10 currently doing shit wrong (or at least shit that people know about).

I love the hatred for the SEC around here though. Everyone hates a winner.

xu95

JimmyTwoTimes37
06-08-2011, 03:04 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AgShopfvszIYzUN31j5NR1g5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_why_osu_case_is_worse_than_usc_060811

"the NCAA violations were discovered when the name of the local memorabilia dealer, Dennis Talbott, was seen on checks Pryor was depositing in his personal bank account."

GoMuskies
06-08-2011, 03:07 PM
I appreciate you editing out the part of your post where you said you felt for Buckeyes fans. I found that offensive. I find the whole episode fun to watch.

JimmyTwoTimes37
06-08-2011, 03:12 PM
I appreciate you editing out the part of your post where you said you felt for Buckeyes fans. I found that offensive. I find the whole episode fun to watch.

Hahahaha, honestly I do...But I know I'm in the vast minority across the country

What I don't understand is that the NCAA knew about some of this in December, and let the Sugar Bowl play out as it did..Well, I do understand...Money but still its shady as hell

MCXU
06-08-2011, 03:33 PM
Heck, Kentucky's been on probabtion twice since I was in college for football violations. Sad to think they have to cheat to beat that bad. (AND I say this as a Kentucky football fan. :( )

My neighbor used to work for the FB staff at Kentucky while he was going to school there. If what he has told me is true, you can remove any doubt that Kentucky cheats to get recruits.

Some of his stories are off the charts and if I saw them in a movie I would say B*llSh*t, but he has shown me some stuff that backed up his claims.

gladdenguy
06-08-2011, 03:53 PM
The same list could be made for every conference. Hell, Michigan and Ohio State are just two schools in the Big 10 currently doing shit wrong (or at least shit that people know about).

I love the hatred for the SEC around here though. Everyone hates a winner.

xu95

Hold on.......what has Michigan done wrong? got caught for practicing too much under Dick Rod??????
If you're talking about the Webber thing fine.....but other than that, and that is not a school thing.....there was one individual caught.
Everybody hates a winner.....definitely, but we love to hate winning cheaters (and that just so happens to be the whole conference when it comes to football).
Hell, every SEC fan knows every SEC school cheats.
Screw the SEC.
Again, the pussies play in the South because they can't play in cold weather.

paulxu
06-08-2011, 04:08 PM
Hell, every SEC fan knows every SEC school cheats.
Screw the SEC.
Again, the pussies play in the South because they can't play in cold weather.

Hmm....jealousy rears its ugly head.

O-Lie-O State has played our lowly Gamecocks twice in the Outback Bowl.
Both times they headed back to Columbus to try and figure out how to play football.
Hell, Woody couldn't take it and punched a Clemson guy (and I really don't like Clemson.)

7 out of 13 BCS champions are from the SEC; 1 from the Big 10.
No SEC team has ever lost a BCS title game.

You guys need to learn how to cheat better.

(Actually I favor giving these guys a stipend, and then death penalty for any player outside the stipend. Hell, the schools are the minor leagues for basketball and football, not like baseball.)

Blue Blooded-05
06-08-2011, 10:01 PM
What I don't understand is that the NCAA knew about some of this in December, and let the Sugar Bowl play out as it did..Well, I do understand...Money but still its shady as hell

That's what is going to be so hilarious about all of this when the dust finally settles...

The only win the NCAA cannot force OSU to give up is the Sugar Bowl win. The NCAA allowed the players to play in the game after they found out about improper benefits and knowing they should be ineligible. History will look back on the 2010 OSU football season and see the 1-12 Buckeyes were Sugar Bowl champions.

Re-friggin-diculous

xu95
06-09-2011, 08:04 AM
Hold on.......what has Michigan done wrong? got caught for practicing too much under Dick Rod??????
If you're talking about the Webber thing fine.....but other than that, and that is not a school thing.....there was one individual caught.
Everybody hates a winner.....definitely, but we love to hate winning cheaters (and that just so happens to be the whole conference when it comes to football).
Hell, every SEC fan knows every SEC school cheats.
Screw the SEC.
Again, the pussies play in the South because they can't play in cold weather.

If you think that the only thing Michigan has done wrong is have a few extra practices you need to take off the Blue and Maize blinders. Unfortunately they are so friggin stupid in Michigan they cheat and still can't win.

xu95

Blue Blooded-05
06-09-2011, 09:48 AM
Hmm....jealousy rears its ugly head.

O-Lie-O State has played our lowly Gamecocks twice in the Outback Bowl.
Both times they headed back to Columbus to try and figure out how to play football.
Hell, Woody couldn't take it and punched a Clemson guy (and I really don't like Clemson.)

7 out of 13 BCS champions are from the SEC; 1 from the Big 10.
No SEC team has ever lost a BCS title game.

You guys need to learn how to cheat better.

(Actually I favor giving these guys a stipend, and then death penalty for any player outside the stipend. Hell, the schools are the minor leagues for basketball and football, not like baseball.)

Ah, yes... Good 'ol Clemson. Amazing how everyone seems to leave them out of the conversation when discussing great programs from the SEC...

On a side note, why does Clemson play such an unusually long out of conference schedule every year consisting exclusively of teams from the ACC? I mean, last year they played North Carolina 3 times in basketball. Clemson plays so many ACC teams each year they put the ACC logo on all their uniforms and get invited to the ACC Tournament... Must be some kind of SEC/ACC cross promotional thing... Weird.

Also... Side question for those in the medical profession... How come a doctor has never been able to use science to prove the obvious truth that kids who grow up in the south are simply faster and better athletes when compared to kids who grow up in the north? How come the SEC speed advantage doesn't seem to translate to any other sport other than football? How come ACC and southern Big XII teams don't benefit from the same southern speed advantage?

Reality Check... The reason the SEC has dominated football is due exclusively to the oversigning rule. The SEC does not have more "great" players at the top when compared to any other conference (as evidenced by day one NFL draft picks) but they're much more solid in the middle. That's what happens when you get to try out four different 3-star players at the same position as opposed to rolling the dice on one.

Juice
06-09-2011, 10:13 AM
Also... Side question for those in the medical profession... How come a doctor has never been able to use science to prove the obvious truth that kids who grow up in the south are simply faster and better athletes when compared to kids who grow up in the north? How come the SEC speed advantage doesn't seem to translate to any other sport other than football? How come ACC and southern Big XII teams don't benefit from the same southern speed advantage? [/I]

I think the Nazis tried to figure this out as well

XUglow
06-09-2011, 11:40 AM
Again, the pussies play in the South because they can't play in cold weather.

WTF? The Big Ten used to be the media darlings, and a lot of quality southern players flocked north. The SEC teams are definitely at the top these days, and the schools are closer to home. Think like a 17 year old. Why should the 5-star kids go out of their way to play for what appears to them to be a second-tier conference. Cold has nothing to do with it. They don't know about Bo, Woody, Joe Pa, or even The Bear for that matter. They only know what they have seen on TV the last few years.

Kahns Krazy
06-09-2011, 12:03 PM
I think the Nazis tried to figure this out as well

FYI, the term "Nazi" and "Nazis" is a derogatory term to Aryan supremacist people. I didn't know this either, until one of my Aryan supremacist friends pulled me aside and told me that it was, then spit in my face because I'm more Irish than German.

I HATE dayton.

paulxu
06-09-2011, 12:35 PM
Ah, yes... Good 'ol Clemson. Amazing how everyone seems to leave them out of the conversation when discussing great programs from the SEC...

Little sensitive are we? The first paragraph was addressing the "pussy" teams in the South, in my state, and their experience with "The" OSU. It's always been real pleasent.

The second paragraph concerned the history of the SEC in the BCS, which has been fairly good...at least compared to the Big Ten.

The third paragraph stands alone. You really do need to learn how to cheat better.

Masterofreality
06-09-2011, 01:17 PM
Back on Pryor,

Do you know that for a while in the spring of 2006, he was considering playing basketball at Xavier?

True. Ask Mario Mercurio.

Muskie
06-10-2011, 09:18 AM
“As to going forward with the NCAA, he’s done,” lawyer Larry James said.

“Completely done?” host Jason Horowitz asked. “He was no responsibility in terms of talking to them, in terms of their investigation with Ohio State?”

“None,” James said.

“Why is that?”

“Well he’s no longer subject to the NCAA rules since he’s no longer a student-athlete,” James explained.

“And he still doesn’t have to answer questions? He doesn’t feel an obligation to answer questions as to what went on with his role?”

“Well, you know I think that he’s already answered the questions more than a couple times,” James said, “but these new things that are coming out of the blue, no he will not.”

And if Pryor doesn’t talk about “these new things that are coming out of the blue,” the chances of the IRS getting involved will be minimized, since no evidence of any green flowing from the things coming out of the blue would be documented.

Ledgewood
06-10-2011, 09:52 AM
Since I live here in the great city of Cleveland, I am around a lot of Ohio State fans even though none of them went to the damn school and it's two hours away and there are a whole lot of other Division I schools around here, too. But I get it, they just want to root for a winner, great. Buy a Yankees hat.

ANYWAYS, that "vigil" outside Tressel's house sorta made me sick, and I am getting BOMBARDED with that whole "big deal, this kinda thing happens at EVERY school" argument. I HATE that argument. With that attitude, everything that separates college athletics from the pros would be out the window. Is that really what you want? College sports is great because it should give you a real visceral reason to root for a team, these kids are what you are or were. If you just want this to be a minor league pro system, then it eliminates all that makes it great to root for a team like XU. That's the main reason I HATE Ohio State and all these people that have NOTHING to do with that institution yet still LOVE the TEAM. No ties. Sure, some people grow up near Louisville and like the team their whole lives, but then go to the school if you love it so much! Not to mention, people from Cleveland are just not that close to Columbus. I know people that grew up near Kent, but they don't live and die by what the Golden Flashes do. Why not? Oh, cuz they aren't contending for a national title every other year. It's purely convenient loyalty. Lame.

They need to come down MUCH harder on these schools and coaches that try and break the rules that make college sports college sports. We make such a big deal out of these millionaire coaches having to resign and schools getting a few seasons worth of bowl game bans even though the coaches will land on their feet in another multi million dollar job and the bowl sanctions only hurt them for a few years. Unless the punishments get harder, it WILL be "no big deal, cuz it happens everywhere." Maybe if they made it sting much worse, it would change what kind of players the most "prestigious" programs go after and how much they try and get away with. It "happens everywhere" because they let it happen. The NCAA made their own organization so effing sleezy.

Woah. I'm probably wayyy to passionate about this. I'm going to go watch some porn now.

Masterofreality
06-10-2011, 11:19 AM
Since I live here in the great city of Cleveland, I am around a lot of Ohio State fans even though none of them went to the damn school and it's two hours away and there are a whole lot of other Division I schools around here, too. But I get it, they just want to root for a winner, great. Buy a Yankees hat.

ANYWAYS, that "vigil" outside Tressel's house sorta made me sick, and I am getting BOMBARDED with that whole "big deal, this kinda thing happens at EVERY school" argument. I HATE that argument. With that attitude, everything that separates college athletics from the pros would be out the window. Is that really what you want? College sports is great because it should give you a real visceral reason to root for a team, these kids are what you are or were. If you just want this to be a minor league pro system, then it eliminates all that makes it great to root for a team like XU. That's the main reason I HATE Ohio State and all these people that have NOTHING to do with that institution yet still LOVE the TEAM. No ties. Sure, some people grow up near Louisville and like the team their whole lives, but then go to the school if you love it so much! Not to mention, people from Cleveland are just not that close to Columbus. I know people that grew up near Kent, but they don't live and die by what the Golden Flashes do. Why not? Oh, cuz they aren't contending for a national title every other year. It's purely convenient loyalty. Lame.

They need to come down MUCH harder on these schools and coaches that try and break the rules that make college sports college sports. We make such a big deal out of these millionaire coaches having to resign and schools getting a few seasons worth of bowl game bans even though the coaches will land on their feet in another multi million dollar job and the bowl sanctions only hurt them for a few years. Unless the punishments get harder, it WILL be "no big deal, cuz it happens everywhere." Maybe if they made it sting much worse, it would change what kind of players the most "prestigious" programs go after and how much they try and get away with. It "happens everywhere" because they let it happen. The NCAA made their own organization so effing sleezy.

Woah. I'm probably wayyy to passionate about this. I'm going to go watch some porn now.

This. Errr, except for the porn part.

bigdiggins
06-10-2011, 12:22 PM
Since I live here in the great city of Cleveland, I am around a lot of Ohio State fans even though none of them went to the damn school and it's two hours away and there are a whole lot of other Division I schools around here, too. But I get it, they just want to root for a winner, great. Buy a Yankees hat.

ANYWAYS, that "vigil" outside Tressel's house sorta made me sick, and I am getting BOMBARDED with that whole "big deal, this kinda thing happens at EVERY school" argument. I HATE that argument. With that attitude, everything that separates college athletics from the pros would be out the window. Is that really what you want? College sports is great because it should give you a real visceral reason to root for a team, these kids are what you are or were. If you just want this to be a minor league pro system, then it eliminates all that makes it great to root for a team like XU. That's the main reason I HATE Ohio State and all these people that have NOTHING to do with that institution yet still LOVE the TEAM. No ties. Sure, some people grow up near Louisville and like the team their whole lives, but then go to the school if you love it so much! Not to mention, people from Cleveland are just not that close to Columbus. I know people that grew up near Kent, but they don't live and die by what the Golden Flashes do. Why not? Oh, cuz they aren't contending for a national title every other year. It's purely convenient loyalty. Lame.

They need to come down MUCH harder on these schools and coaches that try and break the rules that make college sports college sports. We make such a big deal out of these millionaire coaches having to resign and schools getting a few seasons worth of bowl game bans even though the coaches will land on their feet in another multi million dollar job and the bowl sanctions only hurt them for a few years. Unless the punishments get harder, it WILL be "no big deal, cuz it happens everywhere." Maybe if they made it sting much worse, it would change what kind of players the most "prestigious" programs go after and how much they try and get away with. It "happens everywhere" because they let it happen. The NCAA made their own organization so effing sleezy.

Woah. I'm probably wayyy to passionate about this. I'm going to go watch some porn now.

You're too passionate. I didn't get to go to X due to financial considerations but that didn't stop me from continuing to follow them and becoming a season ticket holder.

Ledgewood
06-10-2011, 12:25 PM
You're too passionate. I didn't get to go to X due to financial considerations but that didn't stop me from continuing to follow them and becoming a season ticket holder.

Totally reasonable, I can dig it.

Maybe I'm just directing my anger at all the peoples I know that went to BG or Kent instead of OSU.. and there are plenty... but bleed scarlet and gray. I mean you have a reason you didn't go to X... which by all rights should have been the reason I shouldn't have gone...

HuskyMuskie
06-10-2011, 01:36 PM
This always bothers me during basketball season too. Example:

A lot of Xavier kids nowadays come from the Milwaukee area. When X was playing Marquette in the tourney, I saw NUMEROUS kids sporting golden shorts and baby blue T-shirts around campus for a week before (and after) the game. I have never understood that outspoken and rebellious way of showing disdain for the school you are paying $150,000 to attend, and spend 4 years of your life at. That's just college sports though.

Pro sports may be different. Believe me, I am all for rooting for your home team. I am from Indy and root obnoxiously for the Colts. But if they were playing the Bengals, I would have the decency to not flaunt it in front of the faces of the true "home-team's" fans. It's just stupid. It's just people being overly arrogant. And who, might you ask, are the most arrogant of almost any fans I have ever encountered?

You guessed it.

So get used to OSU, USC, and IU fans saying that "this happens at ANY major program!" because it is their arrogance and false sense of entitlement that got them there, and they WILL rely on their arrogant ways yet again to get them out.

xnatic03
06-10-2011, 02:18 PM
Husky, did you seriously lay blame on the Giants fan that got tagged at the Dodgers game? nice....real nice

HuskyMuskie
06-10-2011, 02:39 PM
I just did my homework. I had no idea this dude got jumped by a group of guys and got beaten into a coma? Is this serious? No, this has no merit or bearing in what I was trying to convey. Thanks for the heads up.

xnatic03
06-10-2011, 03:50 PM
no problem. I got the point you were trying to make....that was just a bad example to use. They need to fry those ----ers who jumped him.

Kahns Krazy
06-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Here's what I saw the first time:


This always bothers me during basketball season too. Example:

A lot of Xavier kids nowadays come from the Milwaukee area. When X was playing Marquette in the tourney, I saw NUMEROUS kids sporting golden showers and baby blue T-shirts around campus for a week before (and after) the game. .

Those Marquette fans are freaky!

Muskie
06-20-2011, 02:05 PM
OSU considering hiring Private Investigators to keep tabs on athletes.

paulxu
06-28-2011, 02:27 PM
How come the SEC speed advantage doesn't seem to translate to any other sport other than football? How come ACC and southern Big XII teams don't benefit from the same southern speed advantage?

Reality Check... The reason the SEC has dominated football is due exclusively to the oversigning rule.

I'm not sure what to make of the college world series finals played in Omaha, where the Gamecocks are up one game on the Gators.

Either the speed advantage does translate to baseball...or they've oversigned. Must be one or the other.

Else I'm sure one of the Big 10 teams would be in the finals, if one of them could actually make the final 8 in Omaha.

Juice
06-28-2011, 02:31 PM
I'm not sure what to make of the college world series finals played in Omaha, where the Gamecocks are up one game on the Gators.

Either the speed advantage does translate to baseball...or they've oversigned. Must be one or the other.

Else I'm sure one of the Big 10 teams would be in the finals, if one of them could actually make the final 8 in Omaha.

It's neither. Northern teams, except for Oregon St. and a few California schools, don't attract the good players because you can't play baseball year round. Southern schools dominate because of climate. So all the good players are from the south or the good players from the north go south.