Cardinals Hater Thread [Archive] - Xavier Message Board

Porkopolis

05-15-2011, 03:58 PM

I wouldn't call Molina's backup a fringe player for the Cardinals. Especially since we are resting Molina more now than ever before.

Sorry, I mispoke: someone who would be a fringe player on the reds AAA team is more accurate. :p

Seriously, and this is the last thing I will say on the matter as it is totally off topic. Acting Manager Petini just said "when you come inside you'd better have a clue." Really? Is it a rule that all LaRussa disciples have to be crybabies? I'll now step away and stop hijacking this thread.

THRILLHOUSE

05-15-2011, 04:15 PM

Sorry, I mispoke: someone who would be a fringe player on the reds AAA team is more accurate. :p

Seriously, and this is the last thing I will say on the matter as it is totally off topic. Acting Manager Petini just said "when you come inside you'd better have a clue." Really? Is it a rule that all LaRussa disciples have to be crybabies? I'll now step away and stop hijacking this thread.

Apparently all card players, coaches and even beat writers all have to be crybabies. Proving Phillips was right about them.

danaandvictory

05-15-2011, 04:28 PM

Apparently all card players, coaches and even beat writers all have to be crybabies. Proving Phillips was right about them.

Do those ***tards really think Cordero was throwing at Pujols up 2 runs with a man on in the 9th inning?

The Cards really ought to concentrate on more important matters, like the fact that they defend like a over-40 beer league softball team.

xuwin

05-15-2011, 04:47 PM

Do those fucktards really think Cordero was throwing at Pujols up 2 runs with a man on in the 9th inning?

The Cards really ought to concentrate on more important matters, like the fact that they defend like a over-40 beer league softball team.

Really. Who would throw at a batter with an 0-2 count on them.

XUOWNSUC

05-15-2011, 06:13 PM

Go home whiny little bitches!

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/IH8SIU1/broom_big.jpg

X-band '01

05-15-2011, 06:31 PM

I don't know what St. Louise has to complain about - just because Johnny Cueto shut down the Cards yesterday, Brandon Phillips getting a hit after an intentional walk to Votto, that's no reason to harbor any ill will or anything.

Yeah, Cordero was looking to dot Pujols today, especially after the mess that Chapman left on the field. Especially with Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman waiting in the wings.

BBC 08

05-15-2011, 07:10 PM

I believe you are allowed to "whine" if you have at least 10 of these. Especially if one of these came within the last 5 years:

http://www.intergoldltd.com/Images/STL_Player_ring4web.jpg

HuskyMuskie

05-15-2011, 07:15 PM

...you sound like quite the bearcats fan ;)

A10fan

05-15-2011, 07:24 PM

I believe you are allowed to "whine" if you have at least 10 of these. Especially if one of these came within the last 5 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWoD2sQ9LiU

This explains the "whining".

BBC 08

05-15-2011, 07:24 PM

...you sound like quite the bearcats fan ;)

Unlike bearcat fans, I root for a team that actually wins.

GoMuskies

05-15-2011, 07:31 PM

I believe you are allowed to "whine" if you have at least 10 of these. Especially if one of these came within the last 5 years:

http://www.intergoldltd.com/Images/STL_Player_ring4web.jpg

Actually, you'd think winning 10 of those would make the organization know better than to sound like a bunch of Cubs fans. Guess not.

Titanxman04

05-15-2011, 08:22 PM

I believe you are allowed to "whine" if you have at least 10 of these. Especially if one of these came within the last 5 years:

http://www.intergoldltd.com/Images/STL_Player_ring4web.jpg

And you have TEN rings like that? Wow dude. Seriously, wow. What's your average in the series? Or are you a pitcher? ERA? Or perhaps you were more suited to ball-boy? Do they ever get a ring? :D

94GRAD

05-15-2011, 08:59 PM

GREAT sweep this weekend!

MADXSTER

05-15-2011, 09:13 PM

Outside of my St Clement Cardinals, I'm a Cardinal Hater.

waggy

05-15-2011, 09:19 PM

Sorry 94. Moved posts into your thread and time takes precedent. BBC receives his just due though, "starting" a Cards hater thread for going OT in the love tweets thread.

94GRAD

05-15-2011, 09:27 PM

Sorry 94. Moved posts into your thread and time takes precedent. BBC receives his just due though, "starting" a Cards hater thread for going OT in the love tweets thread.

I was hoping somone would bring those posts over, thanks.

Fireball

05-15-2011, 09:27 PM

miklasz Bernie Miklasz (writer for the Post Dispatch)
Scott Rolen or someone with a brain over there needs to tell the Reds: act like you've won something before.

Right, because Hanigan got hit in the hand on Friday night by a Cardinals pitcher, and there was a TON of yapping about it in the Reds clubhouse. Oh wait, there wasn't. That right...the Reds actually kept their mouths shut and came back to win the game.

Brandon Phillips was right. The Cardinals don't just bitch at the Reds. They bitch at EVERYBODY.

BandAid

05-15-2011, 09:33 PM

Don't get me wrong, I can hate the Cardinals with the best of them. But, when I was living in Cincy 5 years ago I don't remember any such hate between Reds fans and well...anybody.

I'm just saying that on this board we readily lambast Bearcat fans for being fairweather (both in football and basketball) and there's a general sentiment that the same occurs with the Bengals. So...

RoseyMuskie

05-15-2011, 09:41 PM

As a Chicago native and a White Sox fan I'm pretty shocked by the animosity between the two teams. I guess my uber-hatred for the Cubs has always led me to cheer for the Cards and Reds just so they beat the Flubbies.

whiteyxu

05-16-2011, 12:51 AM

Right, because Hanigan got hit in the hand on Friday night by a Cardinals pitcher, and there was a TON of yapping about it in the Reds clubhouse. Oh wait, there wasn't. That right...the Reds actually kept their mouths shut and came back to win the game.

Brandon Phillips was right. The Cardinals don't just bitch at the Reds. They bitch at EVERYBODY.

OK, first of all, I don't think Cordero meant to hit Pujols. It would have made no sense in that situation. So now that that's covered, let's take a look at the two players here. Ryan Hanigan - the backup catcher for the Reds vs. Albert Pujols - the face of not only the Cardinals but arguably all of baseball, who had statistically the best first 10 years of a career of all time. I think that it's justifiable for the Cards to be a little upset when he gets hit on the hand by a 95mph fastball.

Now for Brandon Phillips and the Reds in general. As a Cardinals fan, I personally don't know if they are a bunch of whiners - it's possible, but I haven't noticed it. But when Phillips used the media to talk shit about the Cardinals, he's the one who started everything there. Then for his first at bat the next day he hit Molina with his bat, and Yadi rightfully took offense and stood up for himself and his teammates. Yeah, it got ugly, but Brandon Phillips started it. Then, in the brawl, Jonny Cueto loses it and kicks Jason LaRue in the face, essentially ending his career. Ya think the Cards have a right to feel a little defensive when the Reds (and Dusty Baker from years before that) keep throwing cheap shots at them?

Yeah it's sports and stuff like this happens, but get f'in real. The Reds have been somewhat relevant for about one year now, after being nothing for over a decade. Now that they have some legitimate talent, they feel like they have to try to start a rivalry with the big boys in the division to feel like they are important - like they're something more than they are. That's not taking the high road, they're just a bunch of egotistical little bitches who just want to feel like they're big time now. Get over yourselves. If the Reds are still relevant 5 years from now, then maybe they can talk.

XUOWNSUC

05-16-2011, 05:34 AM

As a Cardinals fan, I personally don't know if they are a bunch of whiners - it's possible, but I haven't noticed it.

Please. Cris Carpenter is the biggest whiny bitch in all of baseball. According to the St. Louis newspaper, he bitched about how the pitching mound was crap. Last time I checked, Travis Wood had to pitch on the same mound too. Also according to the St. Louis newspaper, Carpenter bitched about how the smoke from the fireworks (set off because of a Reds home run) irritated him. Don't give up a HR then bitch. Last year, Carpenter bitched about how he had to explain the fight between the Reds and cards to his young son. A fight that Carpenter had nothing to do with and was completely innocent of. :rolleyes:

Wait a second. Did you just say Fifi LaRue had a career?

Who the f is Laird?

HuskyMuskie

05-16-2011, 05:41 AM

I don't understand how the Cards fans can continue to talk about how "relevant" they have been this past decade, while at the same time they refuse to pay the only thing that got them there. He will end up signing with the Cubs when his contract up, or another team that actually wants to take care of its player(s).

In between his multiple steroid injections and crying for media attention when Ryan Howard won the MVP a few years back, I don't know how anyone could love Pujols any more than they already do. What a guy. But regardless, once the Reds win the NL Central again, and Pujols takes his golden-boy ass to another club, you Cards fans will go crawling back into your holes where you belong.

Oh, and enjoy being "irrelevant" for a decade.

Jumpy

05-16-2011, 05:44 AM

whaaaaaaaaaa... WHAAAaaaaaaa.... WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Just another crying Cardinal.

How'd you boys like that series? I especially liked the part where we swept your asses.

Porkopolis

05-16-2011, 05:57 AM

Now for Brandon Phillips and the Reds in general. As a Cardinals fan, I personally don't know if they are a bunch of whiners - it's possible, but I haven't noticed it. But when Phillips used the media to talk shit about the Cardinals, he's the one who started everything there. Then for his first at bat the next day he hit Molina with his bat, and Yadi rightfully took offense and stood up for himself and his teammates. Yeah, it got ugly, but Brandon Phillips started it. Then, in the brawl, Jonny Cueto loses it and kicks Jason LaRue in the face, essentially ending his career. Ya think the Cards have a right to feel a little defensive when the Reds (and Dusty Baker from years before that) keep throwing cheap shots at them?

The Cardinals NEVER talk trash or whine. On top of that they are always the epitome of the right way to play the game and how to conduct themselves. Right? I mean, they'd never accuse the Reds of having a poorly conditioned mound or swapping baseballs when Carpenter pitches, right? When Phillips did what he always does to start the game and tapped Molina on the shins, the classy Yadi just took the high road and didn't take off his mask in the face of BP, right? And most importantly, the Cardinals manager didn't turn his back for a over a decade as his best players shot steroids into their asses and then choose one to be on his coaching staff, right?

Juice

05-16-2011, 07:23 AM

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/dui30flash.jpg

Only if this jackass was in the dugout I'm sure the Cardinals would have won all three games

Smails

05-16-2011, 07:37 AM

Chris Carpenter has to be the biggrest friggin complainer this side of the UD fan base. The mound....The smoke....not rubbing up the balls properly. Hey Chris...your team is 4-13 in your last 17 starts. You might want to look in the mirror and not sound like such a little cooch. This team definitlely takes on the personality of their crybaby manager. Then to cap it off some scrub catcher decides to run his mouth off about an inside pitch that everyone with a brain knows was unintentional.

I think the bully got punched in the nose and now he has no clue how to act.

XU 87

05-16-2011, 08:02 AM

I think that it's justifiable for the Cards to be a little upset when he gets hit on the hand by a 95mph fastball.

Ya think the Cards have a right to feel a little defensive when the Reds (and Dusty Baker from years before that) keep throwing cheap shots at them?

Yeah it's sports and stuff like this happens, but get f'in real. The Reds have been somewhat relevant for about one year now, after being nothing for over a decade. Now that they have some legitimate talent, they feel like they have to try to start a rivalry with the big boys in the division to feel like they are important - like they're something more than they are. That's not taking the high road, they're just a bunch of egotistical little bitches who just want to feel like they're big time now. Get over yourselves. If the Reds are still relevant 5 years from now, then maybe they can talk.

As for your first two paragraphs, do you really think Cordero was trying to hit Pujols in the ninth inning, on an 0-2 count, and thereby putting the tying run at the plate? That's insane.

As for your last paragraph, the only guy who opened his mouth was Phillips, and that was last year. The consensus was that he should have kept his mouth shut. I haven't heard one other Red say a word about the Cardinals. The only people talking smack at this point are the Cardinals, who complain about everything from Pujols getting hit to the baseballs not being rubbed properly.

From what I can see, the Reds have one player who talked when he shouldn't have. The Cardinals have an entire team that whines and bitches about everything. Your interim manager was even complaining about the Reds after the game. When you get swept, keep your mouth shut and move on.

Muskied

05-16-2011, 08:09 AM

Yeah it's sports and stuff like this happens, but get f'in real. The Reds have been somewhat relevant for about one year now, after being nothing for over a decade. Now that they have some legitimate talent, they feel like they have to try to start a rivalry with the big boys in the division to feel like they are important - like they're something more than they are. That's not taking the high road, they're just a bunch of egotistical little bitches who just want to feel like they're big time now. Get over yourselves. If the Reds are still relevant 5 years from now, then maybe they can talk.

Why do we have to review history? Why do the reds have to be here in 5 years for them to legitimize their place in the standings...RIGHT NOW? First, it's not like the reds don't have a history of winning....and second, what does any of that have to do with right now? The Reds are better than St. Louis for the past year...they proved it over the weekend, so hey St. Louis...Shut the Fu^k up. I'd love to see the Green Bay Packers or Patriots whine about getting beat, and get away with it. It doesn't work that way. Now, you just look like an old, washed up jerk off who doesn't have the ability or the nuts to prove it on the field....

bleedXblue

05-16-2011, 09:11 AM

They lost. We won. We beat them last year and they are mad.

They act like children who have had something taken away from them. They cry, bitch, moan etc.

Do something about it.....like winning.....instead of whining.

I have no respect for LaRussa and Duncan. Two of the biggest cry babies in baseball. The Reds are going to kick their ass this year. Better defense and bullpen will be the difference.

Look for the Reds to add a bat after the All Star break to protect Votto and get some insurance for a fragile Rolen.

Muskied

05-16-2011, 09:26 AM

Oh, and I recall that Brandon Phillips got hit on the hand last year, and was bothered by it for much of the year. I say bothered by it because he played through it....oh, and there was no bitching or whining either towards the Giants, or the fact that he is as important as any hitter on the team, and should be protected...because that's baseball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5498234

"When one goes down, someone else has to step up. That's what separates the boys from the big boys. We have to get to the finish."

And that's what separates the Reds from the Cards....Reds collect and step up, Cards bitch and expect things will be given to them....And "they started it", is the lamest reason for bitching every chance you have for an entire year....the entire baseball world is laughing at the Cards....

chico

05-16-2011, 09:37 AM

As for your first two paragraphs, do you really think Cordero was trying to hit Pujols in the ninth inning, on an 0-2 count, and thereby putting the tying run at the plate? That's insane.

As for your last paragraph, the only guy who opened his mouth was Phillips, and that was last year. The consensus was that he should have kept his mouth shut. I haven't heard one other Red say a word about the Cardinals. The only people talking smack at this point are the Cardinals, who complain about everything from Pujols getting hit to the baseballs not being rubbed properly.

From what I can see, the Reds have one player who talked when he shouldn't have. The Cardinals have an entire team that whines and bitches about everything. Your interim manager was even complaining about the Reds after the game. When you get swept, keep your mouth shut and move on.

Actually, Pujols was the tying run, so the go-ahead run was coming up.

They say a team is a reflection of it's manager. You can see that with the Cardinals. LaRussa thinks he's the smartest man in the game, and we should all bow down in front of his greatness. But he cannot take criticism of any sort, and there has to be something wrong with someone who cannot get along with Scott Rolen - that guy is the ultimate professional. i'm convinced that Jocketty was the man behind that success - just look at the directions of the two franchises since he came here.

But there is a silver lining for the Cardinals - I hear Laird and Carpenter are the new spokespersons for Tampax.

MHettel

05-16-2011, 10:52 AM

chico

05-16-2011, 11:03 AM

Nothing like making it back to the playoff for the first time in 15 years and getting no-hit.

Impressive. Oh, and is that the same broom that the Phillies used on you guys last year?

Aside from the 5 year strectch in the 70's where you could arguably state that the Reds were the best team in baseball, what else can you point to?

1990 was a single year and the Reds won the World Series.

But sustained excellence? In the 1920's? 1930's, 1940's, 1950's (I'm getting bored here).

Cardinals have about 10 playoff appearances in last last 15 years, including a WS title and another appearance. Reds have.......zero playoff wins.

Realistically:
Cardinals= Xavier
Reds= Dayton

Hold on to your big sweep in May, you might need it.

What's your solution? Perhaps they should take more walks. Maybe go independent.

So the Reds won the division last year and are in first now, but of course we're Dayton because we don't win anything. Yeah, that's a good analogy.

And I don't see Reds fans bringing up the 70's, or 1990, or 1995, or even 1999 for that matter.

Most of the things the Cardinals accomplished that you referenced were done with Walt Jocketty as their GM. Which direction has the franchise gone since he left?

Muskied

05-16-2011, 11:09 AM

Realistically:
Cardinals= Xavier
Reds= Dayton

Hold on to your big sweep in May, you might need it.

Cardinals= Xavier
Reds= Dayton

If Chris Mack and Co ever sound like a bunch of whiney bitches and complain they lost because the ball was too flat and the court was too slick....I'll never post on this board again.....

Oh, and please send me a copy of the Dayton Conference Title Last year....I seem to have missed that....

XU 87

05-16-2011, 11:09 AM

1990 was a single year and the Reds won the World Series.

What exactly does that mean? It doesn't count? Does this mean the Cards' win a few years back doesn't count either? Or do they only count when you win back to back series?

When a team wins a world series, it is always for a "single year".

Jumpy

05-16-2011, 11:16 AM

Nothing like making it back to the playoff for the first time in 15 years and getting no-hit.

Impressive. Oh, and is that the same broom that the Phillies used on you guys last year?

Aside from the 5 year strectch in the 70's where you could arguably state that the Reds were the best team in baseball, what else can you point to?

1990 was a single year and the Reds won the World Series.

But sustained excellence? In the 1920's? 1930's, 1940's, 1950's (I'm getting bored here).

Cardinals have about 10 playoff appearances in last last 15 years, including a WS title and another appearance. Reds have.......zero playoff wins.

Realistically:
Cardinals= Xavier
Reds= Dayton

Hold on to your big sweep in May, you might need it.

That is the single most ridiculous argument I've seen on this message board. Dayton is notorious for two things: whining/making excuses and living in the past. Two things that you've done in this very post. and you try to liken the Reds to Dayton?

Realistically:
Cardinals= washed-up, whiny has-been's
Reds= killing it

Smails

05-16-2011, 11:19 AM

Nothing like making it back to the playoff for the first time in 15 years and getting no-hit.

Impressive. Oh, and is that the same broom that the Phillies used on you guys last year?

Aside from the 5 year strectch in the 70's where you could arguably state that the Reds were the best team in baseball, what else can you point to?

1990 was a single year and the Reds won the World Series.

But sustained excellence? In the 1920's? 1930's, 1940's, 1950's (I'm getting bored here).

Cardinals have about 10 playoff appearances in last last 15 years, including a WS title and another appearance. Reds have.......zero playoff wins.

Realistically:
Cardinals= Xavier
Reds= Dayton

Hold on to your big sweep in May, you might need it.

I guess I missed the part of this thread where the Reds fans were trumpeting the success of the 70's. I fail to see where the Reds fans are saying anything bad about the Cardinals success over the past decade. Check me if I'm wrong but this thread is about the twats that are the St. Louis Cardinals and their whining ways.

What the hell does your response have to do with anything? Other than you being a complete and total fuckstick. Which is pretty much what you bring to this board year in and year out. Keep up the good work.

xuwin

05-16-2011, 11:31 AM

outsideobserver11

05-16-2011, 11:38 AM

Last year the Giants were absolutely brilliant on their way to a world series championship. Tim Lincecum was the most dominant pitcher since...oh wait this has nothing to do with this thread either. Giants better win it this year though or last year doesn't count.

BBC 08

05-16-2011, 11:39 AM

Would all this hate be the same if it were another team "whining" about the balls, mound, smoke, your bitch of a second baseman, etc?

Muskied

05-16-2011, 11:44 AM

Would all this hate be the same if it were another team "whining" about the balls, mound, smoke, your bitch of a second baseman, etc?

I can't imagine hating a group of 2nd grade girls...after all, they arent major league ball players...they shouldn't act like they've been there before.

Phillips is a bitch because he called the Cards whiney bitches....which is an understatement....do I have that right?

HuskyMuskie

05-16-2011, 11:54 AM

Man, what did we ever do before we had an entire thread to bash the Cardinals?

Jumpy

05-16-2011, 11:59 AM

Would all this hate be the same if it were another team "whining" about the balls, mound, smoke, your bitch of a second baseman, etc?

This thread would be nothing without you silly Cards fans trying to actually stick up for their lack of balls. You have yourselves to thank for it.

BBC 08

05-16-2011, 12:00 PM

Phillips is a bitch because he called the Cards whiney bitches....which is an understatement....do I have that right?

No Phillips is a bitch because he constantly rips on the Cardinals, St. Louis and their fans for no reason.

Muskied

05-16-2011, 12:01 PM

No Phillips is a bitch because he constantly rips on the Cardinals, St. Louis and their fans for no reason.

Ah, so by that logic, how could you dispute that the St. Louis Cardinals are a team of whiney bitches?

Jumpy

05-16-2011, 12:02 PM

No Phillips is a bitch because he constantly rips on the Cardinals, St. Louis and their fans for no reason.

constantly? I'd like to see the other comments he's made. the only constant is you guys bitching about a man who wasn't afraid to call them out for what they are.

BandAid

05-16-2011, 12:32 PM

Cardinals= Xavier
Reds= Dayton

If Chris Mack and Co ever sound like a bunch of whiney bitches and complain they lost because the ball was too flat and the court was too slick....I'll never post on this board again.....

Oh, and please send me a copy of the Dayton Conference Title Last year....I seem to have missed that....

I like this game, if I were to draw analogies for NL Central teams to A-10 opponents (in a relatively recent worldview) this is how I'd draw it up:

Astros=Rhode Island

The team that no one actually cares about...

Brewers=LaSalle

Every year someone predicts they'll be good, and they may even bring in some big time talent. But they ultimately suck.

Pirates=Fordham

Pretty straight forward, although Pittsburgh seems to have a decent youth movement going.

Cubs=Dayton

As a Cubs fan it pains me to say this because I don't like Dayton - and I know how so many of us view their fans. But ultimately, the fans are always loyal, and the team always loses.

Cardinals=Temple

They have been the team most consistently near or on top of the division.

Reds=Butler

I know Butler isn't in the A-10, but this is my post. I'll do whatever I want with it! Butler is the new kid on the block with considerable success, but in the end the only thing they have won is the Horizon League

whiteyxu

05-16-2011, 12:34 PM

Congratulations on your sweep. It's May, fellas. There's still a lot of baseball to be played. The team that wins the division could be:

A) St Louis Cardinals - lineup of proven veterans mixed with some young talent, good starting pitching (although the worst bullpen in baseball), and one of the greatest managers in baseball history in Tony LaRussa

B) Cincinnati Reds - lots of younger talent with washed up old cardinals, good pitching staff, and Dusty Baker, who until apparently this year is a terrible manager and consistently underperforms with talented teams.

C) Somebody else - Brewers, Cubs, Astros, Pirates

It should be a good fight. Have your bit of fun for now and let's see how this whole thing turns out.

whiteyxu

05-16-2011, 12:37 PM

I like this game, if I were to draw analogies for NL Central teams to A-10 opponents (in a relatively recent worldview) this is how I'd draw it up:

Astros=Rhode Island

The team that no one actually cares about...

Brewers=LaSalle

Every year someone predicts they'll be good, and they may even bring in some big time talent. But they ultimately suck.

Pirates=Fordham

Pretty straight forward, although Pittsburgh seems to have a decent youth movement going.

Cubs=Dayton

As a Cubs fan it pains me to say this because I don't like Dayton - and I know how so many of us view their fans. But ultimately, the fans are always loyal, and the team always loses.

Cardinals=Temple

They have been the team most consistently near or on top of the division.

Reds=Butler

I know Butler isn't in the A-10, but this is my post. I'll do whatever I want with it! Butler is the new kid on the block with considerable success, but in the end the only thing they have won is the Horizon League

Actually, I think these are pretty good analogies. Although having no playoff wins in something like 15 years is hardly analagous to the 2-time defending national runners-up. We'll call the Reds St. John's - a team that used to be good a long time ago, fell off the map completely, and is now trying to return to the top.

Juice

05-16-2011, 12:37 PM

whiteyxu

05-16-2011, 12:39 PM

You also need to point out that the Cardinals' defense is absolutely atrocious and the Reds' can field pretty well.

That is extremely true. God damn are we bad at defense...

Muskied

05-16-2011, 12:50 PM

whiteyxu

05-16-2011, 01:01 PM

It's actualy been fun for a bit of 18 months, since St. Louis last claimed the division...when ironically, they were SWEPT by the dodgers in the playoffs. Should be fun for a long time...

When I was in Cincinnati for four years, never once did I sense such extreme hatred for the Cardinals. Now everybody seems to feel like they've hated them forever. Sure there's going to be some dislike as a division rival but nothing like this.

And yeah, we got swept by the Dodgers, but the 3 previous playoff appearances (2004-2006) they won the World Series, lost in the WS, and lost in the NLCS. Sometimes you get swept, it happens. But show me some success from your team before you start saying we suck.

Porkopolis

05-16-2011, 01:09 PM

When I was in Cincinnati for four years, never once did I sense such extreme hatred for the Cardinals. Now everybody seems to feel like they've hated them forever. Sure there's going to be some dislike as a division rival but nothing like this.

I actually used to respect--heck, even kind of like--the Cardinals and their fans. Things can change a lot in one season.

whiteyxu

05-16-2011, 01:11 PM

I actually used to respect--heck, even kind of like--the Cardinals and their fans. Things can change a lot in one season.

I now feel the same way about the Reds

94GRAD

05-16-2011, 01:26 PM

I love he said/he said arguements. You're whiners, no you're whiners! HAHA

bleedXblue

05-16-2011, 01:29 PM

Reds will win this division hands down unless they have a bunch of injuries. Cardinals have no chance with a horrible defense and bullpen. Reds have more balance and fewer liabilities.

Cardinals will lose Pujols and it might be a good thing. Yes, paying a guy 20 MM a year only works in NY and Boston where you can actuallly afford to do so.

Tardy Turtle

05-16-2011, 01:43 PM

http://media.avclub.com/images/products/productgroup/39/M-SportsTeamFromMy_400x400_2_jpg_400x400_upscale_q85 .jpg

Jumpy

05-16-2011, 01:45 PM

Perhaps you missed when MHettel suggested Xavier go independent.

That includes that argument, though it did come in at a close second.

Jumpy

05-16-2011, 01:45 PM

http://media.avclub.com/images/products/productgroup/39/M-SportsTeamFromMy_400x400_2_jpg_400x400_upscale_q85 .jpg

Truer words have never been spoken.

Muskied

05-16-2011, 02:12 PM

Yup, it's stupid...and an arguement no one can win. However, I make it a point to rip off the head of any non fan of the home team...Butler Fan, UD fan, Cards Fan, what ever...if you come on to the home team chat board, and pick a fight, I'm gonna piss on you until I've drank the water out of sea world. That's just how I roll. I may not be right, it may not make sense, but don't call our baby ugly.

BBC 08

05-16-2011, 02:22 PM

MHettel

05-16-2011, 02:22 PM

Fred Garvin 2.0

05-16-2011, 02:26 PM

I'm not here to talk about the past.

Muskied

05-16-2011, 02:45 PM

This is a Xavier Basketball message board. That is the home team.

That's fine, then I'll agree with you on Xavier Basketball. Xavier is in Cincinnati, OH, many of its fans support all things Cincinnati, OH (sans UC). Yes, I'm aware students are from other cities, which is why I'd piss on Pirates fan and Indians fan and Mets fan when I lived in Brockman Hall....really, it's not that much of a stretch to connect the two.

Also, Chris Mack loves the Reds....that for me is enough.

HuskyMuskie

05-16-2011, 03:34 PM

That's fine, then I'll agree with you on Xavier Basketball. Xavier is in Cincinnati, OH, many of its fans support all things Cincinnati, OH (sans UC). Yes, I'm aware students are from other cities, which is why I'd piss on Pirates fan and Indians fan and Mets fans when I lived in Brockman Hall....really, it's not that much of a stretch to connect the two.

Also, Chris Mack loves the Reds....that for me is enough.

The mythical, endangered "Mets fan" still exists?

Muskied

05-16-2011, 03:36 PM

It did when I lived in Brockman Hall circa 1993

X-band '01

05-16-2011, 03:42 PM

1993 and he admitted to being a Mets fan? He was clearly a diehard; they were abysmal that season.

BBC 08

05-17-2011, 01:27 PM

Lets add more fuel to the fire: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/article_5247ed5e-807b-11e0-9a38-0019bb30f31a.html

XU 87

05-17-2011, 01:37 PM

Do you Cardinal fans really think that Cordero was throwing at Pujols in the 9th?

BBC 08

05-17-2011, 01:43 PM

Do you Cardinal fans really think that Cordero was throwing at Pujols in the 9th?

He wasn't but when you are throwing up and in, you better not miss.

_LH

05-17-2011, 01:49 PM

He wasn't but when you are throwing up and in, you better not miss.

He will pitch any where he gd pleases to one of the best hitters in the game as he tries to get hin out. Should all the Reds pitchers check in with the STL bench to see if the location and speed of their pitches are approved by the Cardinal's team?

chico

05-17-2011, 01:54 PM

He wasn't but when you are throwing up and in, you better not miss.

And if you lean out over the plate you better be ready for something coming in.

I really don't understand the uproar from Cardinals fans and players. Pujols was the tying run. A guy hitting .380 was on deck, and behind him was a guy hitting .350 with 11 homers. Maybe Sir Albert shouldn't lean out over the plate.

The whole thing reeks of sour grapes on the Cardinals part.

Muskied

05-17-2011, 01:56 PM

He wasn't but when you are throwing up and in, you better not miss.

Or the backup catcher gets mad? Who gives a hell? The funny part to me is, Dave Winfield was on ESPN radio saying it's no crime to pitch inside, especially to someone like AP, since he crowds the plate so much. He said its old school baseball, and it's how the game should be played.

So forgive me if I take my perspective from Hall of Fame baseball players over St. Louis fans and backup catchers.

And it's also funny to me that St. Louis gets bent over a team "not acting like they've won before"....coming from the team of Ozzie Smith, who did back flips every time he fielded a routine ground ball....that's some funny stuff.

Proof that St. Louis thinks the division and game starts and ends by their rule book...hypocrites.

XU 87

05-17-2011, 02:04 PM

He wasn't but when you are throwing up and in, you better not miss.

I don't understand what you mean. Sometimes pitchers throw up and in and they hit a guy, when they don't want to hit the guy. In fact, it happens all the time. Is there some special rule that you can't throw inside to Pujols? Apparently your backup catcher, interim manager, and pitching coach think so.

But I speak on behalf of all Reds fans- "WE DIDN'T WANT CORDERO TO HIT PUJOLS WITH AN 0-2 COUNT IN THAT SITUATION."

And I suspect the entire Reds' team feels the same way.

Jumpy

05-17-2011, 03:03 PM

He wasn't but when you are throwing up and in, you better not miss.

Proof that St Louis beat writers can whine just as good as the team.

Jumpy

05-17-2011, 03:06 PM

I don't understand what you mean. Sometimes pitchers throw up and in and they hit a guy, when they don't want to hit the guy. In fact, it happens all the time. Is there some special rule that you can't throw inside to Pujols? Apparently your backup catcher, interim manager, and pitching coach think so.

But I speak on behalf of all Reds fans- "WE DIDN'T WANT CORDERO TO HIT PUJOLS WITH AN 0-2 COUNT IN THAT SITUATION."

And I suspect the entire Reds' team feels the same way.

To add to this sentiment: if you really have a problem with a guy hitting your best hitter, don't stay in the dugout yelling like a bitch. Instead, why not go out and tell the guy how you feel face to face?

BandAid

05-17-2011, 03:09 PM

Or the backup catcher gets mad? Who gives a hell? The funny part to me is, Dave Winfield was on ESPN radio saying it's no crime to pitch inside, especially to someone like AP, since he crowds the plate so much. He said its old school baseball, and it's how the game should be played.

So forgive me if I take my perspective from Hall of Fame baseball players over St. Louis fans and backup catchers.

And it's also funny to me that St. Louis gets bent over a team "not acting like they've won before"....coming from the team of Ozzie Smith, who did back flips every time he fielded a routine ground ball....that's some funny stuff.

Proof that St. Louis thinks the division and game starts and ends by their rule book...hypocrites.

Here's a crack link on Dave Winfield. Ok, so it's not really pertinent, but it is funny:

Dave Winfield, New Job (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/no-one-on-baseball-tonight-staff-recalls-hiring-da,10194/)

BBC 08

05-17-2011, 03:16 PM

It is fun to watch you guys get riled up.

Muskied

05-17-2011, 03:29 PM

http://watchmojo.com/blogs/images/temper-tantrum.jpg
It is fun to watch you guys get riled up.

It's funny, I was about to say the same thing about Christy Carpenter and Jane Laird

BBC 08

05-17-2011, 03:29 PM

You must really enjoy following the Cards then.

I do.

XU 87

05-17-2011, 04:04 PM

Never mind.

BBC 08

05-17-2011, 04:12 PM

chico

05-17-2011, 04:14 PM

It is fun to watch you guys get riled up.

Yeah, when you run out of ammo, just resort to the "I'm just trying to get a rise out of you" defense.

And if you think we're really "riled up" over this, you are grossly misjudging this. I think bemused would be a better description over the Cardinal attitude about this whole thing, because it just makes no sense.

94GRAD

05-17-2011, 04:20 PM

BBC- Wait til we all wear our Reds gear to your parents house for the party before the Vandy game. :logo::shield::sword:

HuskyMuskie

05-17-2011, 04:21 PM

http://i54.tinypic.com/xx4le.jpg

BBC 08

05-17-2011, 04:27 PM

The Cardinals aren't babies, they're just scrappy: link (http://www.kfns.com/JoeSportsFan/story.aspx?ID=1418777)

Muskied

05-17-2011, 05:49 PM

Where have I whined in all of the threads between Cardinals and Reds? Show me the post and I'll shut up about everything. Until then Reds fans are being bitches as well.

/drops mic and walks off stage

I didn't say you whined, I said you you offered hypocritical and terrible perspective. Thanks for dropping your Mic, it was getting really annoying.

I may agree with you about Xavier Basketball...I may even know you or have drank with you at Danas...St. Louis Cards and fans like you come off looking like arrogant fools right now though....kind of like UC fans. I actually read Miklasz today, and he made great points for about 3 paragraphs...you should stick to those points.

Xavgrad08

05-17-2011, 09:24 PM

Can both Reds and Cardinals fans agree that the Cubs are awful. Despite the differences between the two fan bases, I think we can all agree the Cubs stink.

Fred Garvin 2.0

05-17-2011, 09:33 PM

Can both Reds and Cardinals fans agree that the Cubs are awful. Despite the differences between the two fan bases, I think we can all agree the Cubs stink.

Their defense is comical. Just put the ball in play and you'll score five runs. They should sign Jorge Cantu and put him at third just for shyt and grins.

danaandvictory

05-17-2011, 09:58 PM

Their defense is comical. Just put the ball in play and you'll score five runs. They should sign Jorge Cantu and put him at third just for shyt and grins.

They remind me of the 2006 Reds -- a glorified beer league team that actually started a keg at shortstop for three weeks in July.

Fred Garvin 2.0

05-17-2011, 10:08 PM

They remind me of the 2006 Reds -- a glorified beer league team that actually started a keg at shortstop for three weeks in July.

That was the year the Reds had a laughable defense and somehow decided it was time to implement a "pitch to contact" policy.

danaandvictory

05-17-2011, 10:11 PM

That was the year the Reds had a laughable defense and somehow decided it was time to implement a "pitch to contact" policy.

Nothing like the old four-minute Lopez to Jimenez to Hatteberg double play. Jimenez, in particular, had a functional range of four inches and ran like he had a two-pound load in his pants.

BandAid

05-17-2011, 11:18 PM

Can both Reds and Cardinals fans agree that the Cubs are awful. Despite the differences between the two fan bases, I think we can all agree the Cubs stink.

Hey, watch it now! My Cubbies are only 6 games below .500 Which for us is pretty damn good!

Jumpy

05-18-2011, 05:40 AM

Can both Reds and Cardinals fans agree that the Cubs are awful. Despite the differences between the two fan bases, I think we can all agree the Cubs stink.

That sacrafice that turned into a two-run, three-base error was the worst baseball I've seen from the majors in a long, long time. Bad throw by the pitcher, bad fileding by Ramirez and the LF'er took a horrible angle on the ball backing it up and it ended up rolling all the way to the wall. The Cubs should give their game checks back for last night's performance.

paulxu

05-18-2011, 08:14 AM

More fuel for the fire:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/10907/reds-cardinals-baseballs-best-rivalry

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6560905

X-band '01

05-18-2011, 01:43 PM

Just to show that Tony La Russa doesn't just hate the Reds:

Ozzie Smith hates him too (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/110518)

BBC 08

05-19-2011, 06:24 PM

Cardinals are back in first. All is right with the world.

XUFan09

05-19-2011, 07:15 PM

Cardinals are back in first. All is right with the world.

Woot

Jumpy

05-20-2011, 05:56 AM

Cardinals are back in first. All is right with the world.

No, the world is not right it's just be a quieter, more peaceful place... until the Cards lose again then all the chirping starts back up.

gladdenguy

05-20-2011, 07:26 AM

Just to show that Tony La Russa doesn't just hate the Reds:

Ozzie Smith hates him too (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/110518)

Tony LaRussa is a whack job.

Porkopolis

05-20-2011, 07:28 AM

Tony LaRussa is a whack job.

I want to see TLR joust Ozzie Guillen as seen below. I would pay a lot of money.

http://youtu.be/vkuhqsnZF7Y

nuts4xu

05-20-2011, 07:55 AM

Tony LaRussa can eat a bag of dicks!!

Muskied

05-20-2011, 08:57 AM

Tony LaRussa can eat a bag of dicks!!

I'm pretty sure that's how you get the Shingles actually.....

BBC 08

05-20-2011, 03:03 PM

Our shirts are more clever: http://www.wlwt.com/sports/27967940/detail.html

BBC 08

06-05-2011, 04:54 PM

The silence from Reds fans is deafening.

Muskied

06-05-2011, 05:07 PM

The silence from Reds fans is deafening.

Thats because they prefer sign language

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/files/2011/05/MiddleFinger4.jpg

Porkopolis

06-05-2011, 10:05 PM

The silence from Reds fans is deafening.

We'll see how things have shaken out in September. I'm not going to get too worked up until the Reds aren't trotting out their #10 starter and AA bullpen filler. The injuries to the pitching staff have been brutal. The Cincinnati offense is very good and if the pitching turns around the Cardinals divisional lead can very quickly turn into a deficit. Of course, Milwaukee may well win the division and make this all irrelevant anyway.

STL_XUfan

06-06-2011, 08:00 AM

It makes me sad to see all of this fighting after a Cardinals sweep of the Cubs. C'mon Reds fans, the one thing we should all be able to agree on is our hatred of the cubbie bears. Shouldn't we work together to push them so far into the cellar that no child in their right mind would ever consider growing up cheering them on. If we work together we can work together to push all of the cubs fans to other teams. I for one don't want to live in a world where Cubs fans actually have something positive to cheer about (see Annoying Boston Red Sox fans now that they have won something).

Think of the children....:rolleyes:

bleedXblue

06-06-2011, 09:07 AM

Theres a lot of baseball left to be played. But injuries are mounting for the Reds. Add to that Volquez not pitching well and left field and third base have been dreadful.

Reds are going to have to trade some young talent to get another bat in the middle of the lineup.

I still think bullpen is ok.....but starting pitching must get better......soon.

if the Reds can be within 3-4 games at the break, they'll still be in it.

Juice

06-06-2011, 09:10 AM

Reds are going to have to trade some young talent to get another bat in the middle of the lineup.

Bring up Yonder Alonso. Play him in LF with Heisey. DFA Gomes because he is useless.

JimmyTwoTimes37

06-06-2011, 10:40 AM

Bring up Yonder Alonso. Play him in LF with Heisey. DFA Gomes because he is useless.

I've been saying that for the last 2 weeks. He's batting .324 down there and he was on fire in May.. He can't be any worse than Gomes defensively. He probably still has some holes offensively but its worth a shot. If he plays well, he helps the team and increases his trade value. If he struggles, send him back down. Platoon him with Heisey and get rid of Gomes or Lewis

MADXSTER

06-06-2011, 12:04 PM

Can't we all just hate the Cardinals and leave it at that? Come on now.

XUFan09

06-06-2011, 01:41 PM

We'll see how things have shaken out in September. I'm not going to get too worked up until the Reds aren't trotting out their #10 starter and AA bullpen filler. The injuries to the pitching staff have been brutal. The Cincinnati offense is very good and if the pitching turns around the Cardinals divisional lead can very quickly turn into a deficit. Of course, Milwaukee may well win the division and make this all irrelevant anyway.

The Cardinals are dealing with their own set of injuries too, remember ;)

A lot of people are suggesting this, which I have to admit makes our banter kinda funny.

Juice

06-06-2011, 01:52 PM

The Cardinals are dealing with their own set of injuries too, remember ;)

A lot of people are suggesting this, which I have to admit makes our banter kinda funny.

A pitcher by the name of Adam Wainwright comes to mind

XUFan09

06-06-2011, 03:25 PM

A pitcher by the name of Adam Wainwright comes to mind

Who? :D

Porkopolis

06-07-2011, 10:20 PM

The one thing we can all agree on, the one thing that makes both Reds and Cardinals fans unite in simple happiness:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090516043549/uncyclopedia/images/3/34/CubsLFlag.jpg

bleedXblue

06-08-2011, 08:19 AM

I love Stubbs but not batting leadoff....he should be in the 7 spot until he dramatically cuts down on strike outs.

Dusty is so damn stubborn it's going to get him fired.

Not sure who you put at leadoff.....the Reds should have made a move for a left field leadoff option in the off season...but they missed it.

Heisey is better than Gomes and is a better leadoff option but Baker cant seem to go there.

Juice

06-08-2011, 08:39 AM

Not sure who you put at leadoff.....the Reds should have made a move for a left field leadoff option in the off season...but they missed it.

Heisey is better than Gomes and is a better leadoff option but Baker cant seem to go there.

Dave Sappelt, who is on the DL and not likely to help the team this year, would be a solid option to provide good defense in left and has a .362 OBP in his 4 seasons in the minors. Maybe he could help the team later this year but I dont see Jocketty bringing him with the guys already on the team and with injury Sappelt has had this year.

bleedXblue

06-08-2011, 08:45 AM

Dave Sappelt, who is on the DL and not likely to help the team this year, would be a solid option to provide good defense in left and has a .362 OBP in his 4 seasons in the minors. Maybe he could help the team later this year but I dont see Jocketty bringing him with the guys already on the team and with injury Sappelt has had this year.

I think a trade for a left fielder is looming......

Juice

06-08-2011, 08:53 AM

I think a trade for a left fielder is looming......

I couldn't disagree with this statement more. Despite his recent "surge" in the last two games, Gomes sucks. We all can agree on that. The Reds actually have a ton of options to play LF they simply are too stubborn to try them. Heisey is an obvious one.

Then in Louisville there is Alonso and Frazier. Alonso is knocking the cover off the ball right now. He isn't a long term LF but this season he will at least play to the level of Gomes in the field. There is a reason he has played the majority of his games in Louisville in LF.

Frazier is a solid player who would be an upgrade over Gomes both offensively and defensively but he isn't as good as a hitter as Alonso. He can play 3b too so he could spell Rolen if need be.

Hermida is hitting well in AAA as well, but he has had enough ABs in the majors to know that he isn't a long term solution either.

gladdenguy

06-08-2011, 09:34 AM

I really would want Jose Reyes. Takes care of our leadoff spot and shortstop spot.
I love Janish defensively....one of the best I've EVER seen. But his bat is bad.

If the Mets are giving up on Reyes hopefully Castellini has the nuts to go after that kid. I love the way he plays. With him and Stubbs running the bases.....look the F out.

bleedXblue

06-08-2011, 10:06 AM

I couldn't disagree with this statement more. Despite his recent "surge" in the last two games, Gomes sucks. We all can agree on that. The Reds actually have a ton of options to play LF they simply are too stubborn to try them. Heisey is an obvious one.

Then in Louisville there is Alonso and Frazier. Alonso is knocking the cover off the ball right now. He isn't a long term LF but this season he will at least play to the level of Gomes in the field. There is a reason he has played the majority of his games in Louisville in LF.

Frazier is a solid player who would be an upgrade over Gomes both offensively and defensively but he isn't as good as a hitter as Alonso. He can play 3b too so he could spell Rolen if need be.

Hermida is hitting well in AAA as well, but he has had enough ABs in the majors to know that he isn't a long term solution either.

I guess we'll see. Im thinking of a deal that would bring us an option for the remainder of the season (a 2012 free agent). Obviously the Reds dont think Alonzo and Frazier are ready this year.

xu95

06-08-2011, 12:09 PM

Jocketty has already said he is trying to get a left fielder. He also said he inquired about Reyes, but the Mets want too much.

xu95

chico

06-08-2011, 12:32 PM

bleedXblue

06-08-2011, 12:44 PM

Release Gomes. Give Heisey the job from now until the All Star break. If he handles it, great. If not, give Alonzo a chance or trade for someone.

But it won't help much if the pitching doesn't get straightened out. Yesterday was a good sign for Volquez but he needs to pitch like he did in 2010 for this team to have a chance. That's why I'd be wary of trading for Reyes - he'd be great to get but it starts and ends with the pitching.

I really think pitching will improve.

It cant get much worse.

Arroryo and Cueto will be solid.

Wood and Volquez are the big question marks ????

The injury to Bailey was just bad luck...he was really improving.

The Reds have options at SP and in relief.

Left field and third have been problems (with consistency since the all star break last year)

XU 87

06-08-2011, 01:11 PM

Release Gomes.

You're just saying that because he's on my roto team.

But as bad as he's been, he still is third on the team in HR's and still has a .330 OBP. And as Sabremetrics says, OBP is the important stat, not BA.

chico

06-08-2011, 02:06 PM

You're just saying that because he's on my roto team.

But as bad as he's been, he still is third on the team in HR's and still has a .330 OBP. And as Sabremetrics says, OBP is the important stat, not BA.

His OBP was .374 in April and just over .250 since. He's stopped getting on base and is subpar in the field. A .320 OBP is right at the league average, anyway, so it's not like he's lighting it up. A corner outfielder should not be average at the plate, especially if he can't catch a fly ball.

If you'd show up for a draft you'd probably see that there are better options than Gomes for your outfield. Your kids will have a bunch more birthdays and ball games.

bleedXblue

06-08-2011, 02:44 PM

I am totally frustrated with the Reds.

They seem to be destined to play .500 ball this year.

Fireball

06-08-2011, 08:20 PM

If the pitching performs the way it should, this team still goes to the playoffs. If the pitching performs the way it has up until now...well, we're already seeing what's going to happen.

Wood is probably not far away from losing his rotation spot when Homer comes of the DL or Dontrelle is ready to come up.

ThrowDownDBrown

06-08-2011, 09:01 PM

Alonso, Mesoraco, Francisco, Cozart and Sappelt (before he went on the dl) are all tearing it up in Louisville right now. Frazier is hitting pretty well too. But yeah lets just keep running Gomes, Lewis, Janish and Renteria out there everyday. Even Rolen has been a shell of his last year self. The Reds are going to need to do something because the current team right now is not good enough to get back to the playoffs.

xu95

06-09-2011, 08:01 AM

I heard yesterday they were shopping Heisey.

xu95

bleedXblue

06-09-2011, 09:01 AM

The Reds are going to have to offer some decent pitching prospects.......Heisey is not going to get them the quality player that they need.

Juice

06-09-2011, 10:36 AM

The Reds are going to have to offer some decent pitching prospects.......Heisey is not going to get them the quality player that they need.

And with that comes Blogger Overreaction to Stupid Trade Ideas Season. Hall o' Famer Hal is reporting that the Padres are willing to deal Ryan Ludwick, and the Reds could be a match if they were to offer up Chris Heisey, or perhaps prospects. The Reds offense is one of the best in the league, but LF has been an obvious sinkhole and any boost in production, whether pitching, fielding, or hitting, should be welcomed and encouraged. Shockingly though, Ludwick represents a lateral move relative to Jonny Gomes, as he is out-wOBAing Gomes .323 to .322 so far this season. Honestly, Ludwick is probably a better candidate for the DFA than a trade. Oh yeah, and he's also making $6.7 mil this year. Cripes. Would you trade Heisey (.344 wOBA) for a more expensive Gomes, or would you just rather install Heisey into the starting lineup? Yeah, me too.

Unless the Reds give up a crap load of prospects, there is nothing out there better than simply bringing Alonso up and allowing him and Heisey to play LF. Ryan Ludwick costs too much and isn't even an improvement over what the Reds have. I will be pissed if they trade for Ludwick.

GoMuskies

07-15-2011, 09:17 PM

DatdudeBP has the last laugh tonight! AWESOME!

Porkopolis

07-15-2011, 09:30 PM

DatdudeBP has the last laugh tonight! AWESOME!

How perfect was that?

Xavgrad08

07-15-2011, 09:52 PM

Wow that was an amazing win. Anyone think we might see some retaliation from BP's walkoff HR trot?

Porkopolis

07-15-2011, 10:04 PM

Wow that was an amazing win. Anyone think we might see some retaliation from BP's walkoff HR trot?

Not unless the Cardinals want some for Sir Albert's admiration of his non-game winning home run. Or Neck Tat's posturing during the last series. Oh wait, I forgot: they are classy, it is only wrong when everyone else does it. :p

ReturnOfTheMack

07-15-2011, 11:37 PM

Not unless the Cardinals want some for Sir Albert's admiration of his non-game winning home run. Or Neck Tat's posturing during the last series. Oh wait, I forgot: they are classy, it is only wrong when everyone else does it. :p

YadiAIDS molina may be my most hated player in all of baseball. Also, I know it's a faux pas to dare consider the thought however; when a guy who has had the type of production as Pujols and seemingly is unaffected by injuries that would hinder or cripple an otherwise normal physique, is it ok to think of a possible PED regiment??? Just sayin'.

Fireball

07-16-2011, 02:00 PM

Wow that was an amazing win. Anyone think we might see some retaliation from BP's walkoff HR trot?

I hope so. I'd love nothing more than to see Chris Carpenter get his ass kicked tonight.

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X-band '01

07-16-2011, 02:24 PM

I can't believe they didn't have the nerve to shake hands before and after the game.

Oh wait, wrong sport and team.

STL_XUfan

07-16-2011, 09:10 PM

Also, I know it's a faux pas to dare consider the thought however; when a guy who has had the type of production as Pujols and seemingly is unaffected by injuries that would hinder or cripple an otherwise normal physique, is it ok to think of a possible PED regiment??? Just sayin'.

http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/05/02/haters-gonna-hate-eagle-water_130434780142.jpg

xavierj

07-17-2011, 03:10 PM

2 out of 3 ain't bad. Somehow this underachieving Reds team is hanging in there. Just one hot stretch may be all they need.

It would be really funny if the Brewers, Cards and Reds keep screwing around and let the Pirates win the division.

I don't know why but i just think this Reds team will eventually put it all together and win the division. They are frustrating but they have talent. They have played .450 baseball since the 2nd week of the season but they are only 3 games back. Eventually they will put it all together. If they can get Willis to pitch well, get Bailey to pitch like he did today and get Stubbs to get on base more frequently they will be hell on Wheels in my opinion.

X-band '01

07-17-2011, 03:13 PM

2 out of 3 ain't bad. Somehow this underachieving Reds team is hanging in there. Just one hot stretch may be all they need.

It would be really funny if the Brewers, Cards and Reds keep screwing around and let the Pirates win the division.

Nice scheduling quirk - the Reds have 9 games left against the Pirates - all at PNC Park. They had trouble hitting against the Pirates earlier this year; I don't know if that's going to change with their upcoming series. This may well be their biggest series since 1990.

Porkopolis

08-24-2011, 02:05 PM

Suck it St. Louis, the Reds are taking second place this year. I can feel it. Only 3.5 back now. And it's TOTALLY relevant and important.

Yes it is. If the Reds can't win the division--and they can't--I want them to at least send TLR to third place.

BBC 08

08-24-2011, 02:42 PM

Season is lost for us but hey, at least we aren't the Reds.

Fred Garvin 2.0

08-24-2011, 11:06 PM

Season is lost for us but hey, at least we aren't the Reds.

Perhaps you should hire the Brewers GM. Then you wouldn't waste your largesse on losers.

I suppose you could raise money buy selling a DVD featuring your megalomaniacal manager's take on pitching inside.

Jumpy

08-25-2011, 06:01 AM

Season is lost for us but hey, at least we aren't the Reds.

Yeah, who would want to be a team of up-and-coming badass youngsters when you could be a team of over-the-hill, washed-up, whiny ass bitch has-beens?

Fireball

08-25-2011, 07:36 AM

Yeah, who would want to be a team of up-and-coming badass youngsters when you could be a team of over-the-hill, washed-up, whiny ass bitch has-beens?

...who are about to lose their best player to the Cubs?

Juice

08-25-2011, 07:41 AM

I pray nightly that Shelby Miller continues to be a drunk

BBC 08

08-25-2011, 08:01 AM

Yeah, who would want to be a team of up-and-coming badass youngsters when you could be a team of over-the-hill, washed-up, whiny ass bitch has-beens?

Nope. I am perfectly content with the team we have. I do agree though that it is time for a new manager. I love TLR and everything he's done for my Cardinals but it is time for some new blood in the clubhouse.

BBC 08

08-25-2011, 08:02 AM

I pray nightly that Shelby Miller continues to be a drunk

Wanted to rep you for this since it is funny but the man is holding me down.

Porkopolis

08-25-2011, 08:12 AM

it is time for some new blood in the clubhouse.

Don't worry, Matt Adams will provide it. I hear there will be an opening at his position. ;)

Jumpy

08-25-2011, 08:39 AM

...who are about to lose their best player to the Cubs?

Yes. and have neck tats.

GoMuskies

08-25-2011, 03:05 PM

Shelby's on my keeper fantasy league team, so I need him to come back strong. I want him to go 35-0 next year while the Cards go 35-127. Wait, I have Garcia, too, so 70-92 for the Cards.

X-band '01

08-25-2011, 06:10 PM

When is Mick Cronin going to come out and admit he's a Cardinal fan? All he does is bitch and moan.

Fireball

08-25-2011, 10:09 PM

When is Mick Cronin going to come out and admit he's a Cardinal fan? All he does is bitch and moan.

You're telling me that Syracuse wouldn't win the NL Central?

X-band '01

08-26-2011, 07:00 PM

Milwaukee is running away with the Central now; they've caught up to the Yanks/Red Sox in terms of winning percentage.

As for the AL Comedy Central, even DePaul would win that division.

bourbonman

08-26-2011, 07:14 PM

Yep. Cards have sucked lately but not as bad as the Reds, yet there's still time for that too.

Fred Garvin 2.0

08-27-2011, 06:02 PM

thought of this thread last nite when I was at a beer festival and a vendor was selling those Whiny Birds tees mocking the Cardinals. Wished I had picked one up.

Fireball

08-28-2011, 07:55 PM

Yeah...Milwaukee and Atlanta each going on a crazy winning binge has just killed any semblance of a pennant race in the NL. Only thing left is the NL West race, because everything else is over. Having 2 wildcards next year will change things a bit, but it sucks that there's a month left to go in the season and the playoffs are pretty much decided.

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muskienick

08-28-2011, 07:59 PM

Back to within two of St. Looey. The Reds are getting hot at just the right time (agter falling behind by 14 games).

It doesn't seem to matter how well the Reds play since the Brewers are simply playing outstanding baseball (and that hefty double-digit lead doesn't hurt them either!).

I probably don't belong on this thread since I have never hated the Cards. I used to listen to them (and the Red Berenson Blues) on the floor of my living room by catching KMOX with just the right weather conditions and pointing my radio in just the right direction.

X-band '01

08-29-2011, 06:38 AM

Getting back over .500 is nice, but staying over .500 with the Trasn (just for you DC) coming into town will be difficult. The Reds go up against Hamels, Halladay, Lee and star rookie Vance Worley. Trying to get 2 or even 3 wins will be a big chore.

Kahns Krazy

08-29-2011, 02:58 PM

Haters

Porkopolis

08-29-2011, 04:21 PM

Haters

I wanted to by one of those sooooo badly, but in the end I opted for more beer tickets. :D

Fred Garvin 2.0

08-31-2011, 09:00 PM

I wanted to by one of those sooooo badly, but in the end I opted for more beer tickets. :D

Yeah i figured I just would have spilled Expedition Stout all over it anyway.

X-band '01

09-03-2011, 05:37 AM

Reds 11, Cards 8 (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametracker/recap/MLB_20110902_CIN@STL)

Go ahead, Tony, bitch and moan about Chris Carpenter:

"St. Louis manager Tony La Russa thought with better luck, Carpenter could have gotten out of the inning with a lot less damage.

'They had three balls that were mis-hit,' La Russa said. 'That's a tough five-spot to hang on him. He deserved better. They should have got something, but not five.'"

Jumpy

09-03-2011, 08:10 AM

I wanted to by one of those sooooo badly, but in the end I opted for more beer tickets. :D

You can buy a slightly different version of the shirt online: http://lookatmeshirts.com/lookatme/whiny-birds-shirt.html

BBC 08

09-16-2011, 11:08 AM

Can you guys beat the Brewers for us this weekend? Thanks.

GoMuskies

09-16-2011, 11:15 AM

Can you guys beat the Brewers for us this weekend? Thanks.

I hope the Reds pitch Bronson Arroyo all three games.

X-band '01

09-16-2011, 11:35 AM

Doesn't matter what Milwaukee or St. Louis does; it's Philly's title to lose right now. Everyone else is just fighting for scraps. Arizona will get the same participation ribbons that the Reds got last year for making the playoffs out of the blue.

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-16-2011, 02:44 PM

Can you guys beat the Brewers for us this weekend? Thanks.

Thinking about it just because I detest Niger Morgan.

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-16-2011, 09:57 PM

Borderline

Whoa, honestly thought he spelled it that way. I just hate when they interview him and he does those dumb voices like he's funny. He makes Clinton Portis look clever.

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-17-2011, 10:50 AM

Bronson certainly spun his magic last night!

Yep, good thing 87 is so enamored with that contract.

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-23-2011, 12:30 AM

Ouch! Crushing loss in the 9th yesterday to the Mets. Still 2 back but that may be a back-breaker. Where is ATL to defend his Braves?

Porkopolis

09-23-2011, 08:24 AM

I actually still think the Cardinals might pull it out. The last half has been an epic race to the bottom by several wild card leaders in both leagues.

XUglow

09-23-2011, 08:27 AM

Atlanta races home to top of Wild Card Race

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XUmvJ0-j3WY/S7vpKFfZ4fI/AAAAAAAAFsw/XfoGF3nrtoQ/s1600/bq462.jpg

XU 87

09-23-2011, 08:59 AM

Yep, good thing 87 is so enamored with that contract.

In the 3 years prior to signing his contract, Arroyo won 47 games and pitched about 630 innings, without missing a start.

Are you saying you didn't want to sign him to an extension last year? Or are you playing Monday morning quarterback?

Juice

09-23-2011, 11:13 AM

In the 3 years prior to signing his contract, Arroyo won 47 games and pitched about 630 innings, without missing a start.

Are you saying you didn't want to sign him to an extension last year? Or are you playing Monday morning quarterback?

Last year I was definitely pissed when they anounced it was for 3 years and for that amount of money. The guy was past the wrong side of 30. You don't sign multiyear deals with pitchers like him at that age.

XU 87

09-23-2011, 11:19 AM

Juice

09-24-2011, 12:56 PM

He was 33 turning 34 in February when he signed the contract. That's usually not "old" in baseball. For many players, that's their prime.

And the contract was extended by two years. The Reds picked up his option for this year.

His fastball was never that fast but it lost a ton of velocity this year. He does pitch backwards but you still need a reliable fastball. 34 is not old but he is definitely not in his prime. Most players primes in baseball are late 20s or early 40s. I just don't agree with paying 10+ million a year (taking into account the deferred money) to a "innings eater". I had no problem with resigning him but it was the length of the contract and the money spent.

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-25-2011, 09:39 PM

I grudgingly admire those Cardinals. Down to a game. And I didn't think they'd be able to extend Berkman.

Of course Chris Carpenter is still a whiny bytch.

Bottom Line on Arroyo: mistake.
None of 87's artful arguments can change the fact he was wrong.

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-25-2011, 09:44 PM

Garvin editing Garvin.(You didn't miss much.)

BBC 08

09-26-2011, 08:03 AM

Of course Chris Carpenter is still a whiny bytch.

He's just an extreme competitor. If he was on the Reds and doing the same, you all wouldn't mind.

Jumpy

09-26-2011, 08:08 AM

Yes, because all the greats always take the chance to make excuses out of ancillary issues to cover for his inability to get the job done.

chico

09-26-2011, 09:04 AM

He's just an extreme competitor. If he was on the Reds and doing the same, you all wouldn't mind.

Then you'd be the one calling him a whiny baby. And if he came to the Reds at some point later in his career I'd still call him one - like Jim Edmonds.

nuts4xu

09-26-2011, 09:47 AM

His fastball was never that fast but it lost a ton of velocity this year.

You sure about this? He hit 94 at least once in his final outing, and was in the low 90's in games he pitched well. He may have lost consistency hitting these speeds, but I don't think he lost any zip on the fastball. Arroyo works better when he can spot that fastball in the 92, 93, 94 range.

He is what he is, and he fits in as a 3rd or 4th starter on the Reds. It would be nice if he wasn't our highest paid starter, because he is not an "Ace". However, I like him because he keeps us in games, eats innnings and stays healthy for the most part (doesn't miss many starts).

I am not expecting him to win 20 games, but if he can maintain consistency there is a spot for him on this team.

Jumpy

09-26-2011, 09:52 AM

You sure about this? He hit 94 at least once in his final outing, and was in the low 90's in games he pitched well. He may have lost consistency hitting these speeds, but I don't think he lost any zip on the fastball. Arroyo works better when he can spot that fastball in the 92, 93, 94 range.

He is what he is, and he fits in as a 3rd or 4th starter on the Reds. It would be nice if he wasn't our highest paid starter, because he is not an "Ace". However, I like him because he keeps us in games, eats innnings and stays healthy for the most part (doesn't miss many starts).
I am not expecting him to win 20 games, but if he can maintain consistency there is a spot for him on this team.

Yes. He is worth keeping around for this reason alone.

His contract doesn't bother me so much. It was a good investment at the time it was signed and, quite frankly, when compared to some of the guys making more than he is, it has turned out to be a good value as well.

Juice

09-26-2011, 12:48 PM

You sure about this? He hit 94 at least once in his final outing, and was in the low 90's in games he pitched well. He may have lost consistency hitting these speeds, but I don't think he lost any zip on the fastball. Arroyo works better when he can spot that fastball in the 92, 93, 94 range.

He is what he is, and he fits in as a 3rd or 4th starter on the Reds. It would be nice if he wasn't our highest paid starter, because he is not an "Ace". However, I like him because he keeps us in games, eats innnings and stays healthy for the most part (doesn't miss many starts).

I am not expecting him to win 20 games, but if he can maintain consistency there is a spot for him on this team.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=978&position=P

Fred Garvin 2.0

09-26-2011, 05:47 PM

You sure about this? He hit 94 at least once in his final outing, and was in the low 90's in games he pitched well. He may have lost consistency hitting these speeds, but I don't think he lost any zip on the fastball. Arroyo works better when he can spot that fastball in the 92, 93, 94 range.

He is what he is, and he fits in as a 3rd or 4th starter on the Reds. It would be nice if he wasn't our highest paid starter, because he is not an "Ace". However, I like him because he keeps us in games, eats innnings and stays healthy for the most part (doesn't miss many starts).

I am not expecting him to win 20 games, but if he can maintain consistency there is a spot for him on this team.

Some are saying the starters' lack of innings killed the bullpen. I say the bullpen just sucks. And they may try to keep Cordero at a discount. Whatever "discount" means.
All I know is they better put Chapman in the rotation since it's this team's only real shot at a #1.

Fireball

09-27-2011, 06:52 AM

Some are saying the starters' lack of innings killed the bullpen. I say the bullpen just sucks. And they may try to keep Cordero at a discount. Whatever "discount" means.
All I know is they better put Chapman in the rotation since it's this team's only real shot at a #1.

The bullpen has sucked in the second half, for sure. But, in the first half, they were lights out. Look at the fact that you have a bunch of guys that had really never played a full major league season before (Bray, Chapman, Ondrusek) and one recovering for Tommy John surgery (Arredondo) and it's not surprising that they've worn down in the second half. You've gotta think that they'll be better next year.

As far as Arroyo goes, I agreed with the deal when they signed him, and I still agree. Bronson had a whole lot of stuff go wrong at the beginning of the season (mono, back problems, etc.) and he never recovered from it. He'll be better next year, and this team will not be looking at him as the #2 starter, as it was coming into the year.

Juice

09-27-2011, 07:00 AM

The bullpen has sucked in the second half, for sure. But, in the first half, they were lights out. Look at the fact that you have a bunch of guys that had really never played a full major league season before (Bray, Chapman, Ondrusek) and one recovering for Tommy John surgery (Arredondo) and it's not surprising that they've worn down in the second half. You've gotta think that they'll be better next year.

As far as Arroyo goes, I agreed with the deal when they signed him, and I still agree. Bronson had a whole lot of stuff go wrong at the beginning of the season (mono, back problems, etc.) and he never recovered from it. He'll be better next year, and this team will not be looking at him as the #2 starter, as it was coming into the year.

Arroyo's problem is that he always has over performed what his peripheral numbers have indicated, which means that he has been lucky. I don't see that trend continuing for the rest of his career. I think his high number of home runs allowed this year are an indication of things to come.

The fact that he isn't being viewed as a #2 next season is my problem with the deal. The Reds, with a payroll in the lower half of MLB, cannot really afford to be paying 10+ million to a #3 or #4 starter.

BBC 08

10-17-2011, 07:59 AM

World Series bound!

Muskied

10-17-2011, 08:16 AM

World Series bound!

The failure of our plan has been a complete success.

nuts4xu

10-17-2011, 09:08 AM

World Series bound!

Hope they get pounded by the Rangers. Suck it!

Porkopolis

10-17-2011, 09:10 AM

I've got to hand it to the Cardinals, they've made an incredible run. Here's to hoping Texas ends it.

Muskied

10-17-2011, 09:43 AM

I've got to hand it to the Cardinals.

And by it you mean this.

http://intranet.wellingtoncollege.org.uk/resource.aspx?id=195655&width=300

Fred Garvin 2.0

10-17-2011, 03:00 PM

Congrats to the Cards for buying Holiday, Berkman, Furcal and an entire bullpen.

BBC 08

10-17-2011, 03:07 PM

Congrats to the Cards for buying Holiday, Berkman, Furcal and an entire bullpen.

And by buying a bullpen you mean give up our top rated OF'er for a couple of the pieces, right? As for Furcal, we traded a AA guy for him and got cash. I wouldn't call either of those buying.

Also, Berkman was a free agent we got for $8 mil. We just got lucky that he decided to get back into shape and play out of his mind this year.

I don't have a retort for Holliday.

waggy

10-17-2011, 06:37 PM

We just got lucky that he decided to get back into shape and play out of his mind this year.

You mean the St. Louie jamba juice bar.

MHettel

10-17-2011, 07:13 PM

Congrats to the Cards for buying Holiday, Berkman, Furcal and an entire bullpen.

Sour grapes?

StL is certainly NOT a team like Boston or NYY which buy themselves a roster makeover each year.

But if it lessens the pain for you, then go ahead and believe whatever you want.

Fred Garvin 2.0

10-17-2011, 09:53 PM

Sour grapes?

StL is certainly NOT a team like Boston or NYY which buy themselves a roster makeover each year.

But if it lessens the pain for you, then go ahead and believe whatever you want.

Comparing them to the Red Sox and Yankees is typically gay of you. Relative to the rest of the division the Cubs and Cards have far more to play with.

XUFan09

10-17-2011, 09:59 PM

I think the Cubs obviously prove over and over that money isn't everything...

Fred Garvin 2.0

10-17-2011, 10:02 PM

I think the Cubs obviously prove over and over that money isn't everything...

Well it sure as hell gives you more room for error. Think the Reds could absorb the Mulder contract the way the Cards could?

Fred Garvin 2.0

10-17-2011, 10:04 PM

You mean the St. Louie jamba juice bar.

We should hire their hitting coach. He can show everyone how to transform their bodies...and facial complexion.

Fred Garvin 2.0

10-17-2011, 10:06 PM

We should hire their hitting coach. He can show everyone how to transform their bodies...and facial complexion.

McGuire and Canseco: Larry Craig spends less time in bathroom stalls.

MHettel

10-17-2011, 11:34 PM

It takes a big man to admit defeat Fred.

Good thing you're a fukin midget.

Muskied

10-18-2011, 07:47 AM

It takes a big man to admit defeat Fred.

Good thing you're a fukin midget.

There is no arguing what the Cards have done....those excuses are really, really lame. I still hate them, think they are whiney bitches, and hope they all get leprosy...but hey, they've earned it (winning, and leprosy).

Fred Garvin 2.0

10-18-2011, 10:27 AM

It takes a big man to admit defeat Fred.

Good thing you're a fukin midget.

It takes a big man to acknowledge he's a one trick pony who knows nothing other than the RPI.

And a big man would admit he once said Xavier should never switch defenses.

MHettel

10-18-2011, 10:48 PM

We're about 5 years into this "discussion" Fred. And yet, not one shred of evidence has been produced that I said we should switch defences.

I'm still waiting and baiting.

I'm going to meet you one day, Fred. And it's going to be fun.

nuts4xu

10-19-2011, 09:56 AM

I'm going to meet you one day, Fred. And it's going to be fun.

Fred Garvin is a good dude and a lot of fun. You have no idea how much fun it is to watch a game with the Garv. Hope you get your wish someday, he isn't a tough man to find.

paulxu

10-19-2011, 11:15 AM

Fred Garvin is a good dude and a lot of fun. You have no idea how much fun it is to watch a game with the Garv. Hope you get your wish someday, he isn't a tough man to find.

Are Fred and Guy related?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/28/129143135121642418.jpg

gladdenguy

10-19-2011, 01:28 PM

Fred Garvin is a good dude and a lot of fun. You have no idea how much fun it is to watch a game with the Garv. Hope you get your wish someday, he isn't a tough man to find.

I second that. We had a good time down at the ole Gameday back in the days.
Now, two kids later and I don't do anything fun anymore.

BBC 08

04-04-2012, 12:22 PM

Now that Tony is gone who is left to hate for you Reds fans?

X-band '01

04-04-2012, 12:36 PM

Yadier Molina is still with the Cards, isn't he?

Juice

04-04-2012, 12:58 PM

Now that Tony is gone who is left to hate for you Reds fans?

Lance Berkman - former Astro and current Cardinal
Yadier Molina - douche
Chris Carpenter - biggest douche

RealDeal

04-04-2012, 01:03 PM

I don't hate any of those guys, Carpenter is a huge whiner though. So was Tony.

Muskied

04-04-2012, 01:04 PM

Now that Tony is gone who is left to hate for you Reds fans?

I believe they have a 25 man roster

BBC 08

04-04-2012, 01:55 PM

I believe they have a 25 man roster

Touché.

BBC 08

04-04-2012, 06:30 PM

The team you love to hate is already up 2-0 on the Marlins.

chico

04-04-2012, 08:13 PM

You know, if they weren't in the Central I'd almost want then to win it all so people would see that LaRussa maybe isn't the genius people made him out to be. Well, not almost, but a small part of me does. A very small part.

GoMuskies

04-04-2012, 08:38 PM

Jumpy

04-04-2012, 09:13 PM

Are all of us smart asses on this board really just supposed to let this one go?

It takes a smaller man than me to make a comment like that.

STL_XUfan

04-04-2012, 09:14 PM

FYI:

http://s17.postimage.org/i8ot77im5/standings.jpg

xeus

04-04-2012, 09:16 PM

Cardinals fans posting on this thread remind me of UD fans posting on a Xavier postseason thread.

bobbiemcgee

04-04-2012, 09:21 PM

Cards spoiled Marlins opener at gorgeous new park. Worst than that is it looks like they sold about half the seats. Pathetic.

chico

04-04-2012, 09:44 PM

Are all of us smart asses on this board really just supposed to let this one go?

You try to make a little joke. No, wait...

BBC 08

04-04-2012, 09:56 PM

Cardinals fans posting on this thread remind me of UD fans posting on a Xavier postseason thread.

A Cardinal fan "started" this thread.

I put started in quotes because my the first post in this thread was in another thread but was moved by a moderator that is a Reds fan.

xeus

04-04-2012, 10:22 PM

A Cardinal fan "started" this thread.

I put started in quotes because my the first post in this thread was in another thread but was moved by a moderator that is a Reds fan.

The classic UD/Cardinals "victim" post.

BandAid

04-04-2012, 10:54 PM

You know what I love? Every now and again you find an argument that is impossible to refute. No matter what you say or do, there is no way to prove it otherwise - a trump card if you will. Here let me give you an example:

Man1: "You're a racist."
Man2: "No I'm not."
Man1: "Prove it."
Man2: "Well, I've never lynched anyone."
Man1: "Just because you've never lynched anyone doesn't prove you're not a racist. There are many racists who have never lynched anybody."
Man2: "I have black friends."
Man1: "Ya, and I have friends who are Inuits."
Man2: :mad:
Man1: "Why are you getting so mad? If you werent a racist, you would not be so upset about a false accusation."
Man2: "Wait, what do you have against the Inuit people? You racist."

And so the conversation goes.

On this board, we have a trump card. You can say most anything and someone will always have a response. But the one thing that stops someone cold in their tracks, the one accusation to which there is no response: You're like a Dayton fan!

There have been many fan bases who we have likened to Dayton fans over the years - the Cardinals, the Cubs, the Irish, the Browns, the list could really go on forever. The problem is that nearly anything can be construed as being Daytonfanesque. The fact that you post about the Cardinals on a forum that is pro-Reds. If you complain that players didn't meet a certain standard of perceived sportsmanship. If like a Cubs fan you perpetually wait for next year. If your team has an injured player. Or if the refs called a violation that is too oftentimes ignored and your Irish ultimately lose. Yet there is no response to the claim that you are like a Dayton fan. The conversation goes like this:

Man1: You're like a Dayton fan.
Man2: No I'm not.
Man1: Now you're whining like a Dayton fan...

It sucks to be on the receiving end of being condemned as Daytonfanesque (trust me, I know, I cheer for the Cubs). Yet the label is a delightful peculiarity of this site. It's bizarre. It doesn't much extend beyond these forums. It's one of the many things that makes xavierhooops special.

God bless xavierhooops.
God bless Dayton fans, not so much that we like them, but without them all we'd have to make fun of is UC.
And God bless America.

Oh, and screw the Cardinals.

X-band '01

04-04-2012, 11:30 PM

Yeah, I don't think we're going to hear Cards fans complaining about JV and JC and BP anytime soon.

Oh, YM and CC are also punks as well.

MHettel

04-04-2012, 11:40 PM

You want a trump card?

WORLD CHAMPIONS.

Carry on.

BandAid

04-05-2012, 07:03 AM

You want a trump card?

WORLD CHAMPIONS.

Carry on.

Oh. My. That was LAST year. Stop living in the past. You sound like a Dayton fan! ;)

MHettel

04-05-2012, 07:14 PM

Actually, we are currently the workld champs. Currently. As in right this very minute we wear the crown.

And I get the XU / Dayton quips, but I think you have the roles reversed.

Little Brother.

STL_XUfan

04-05-2012, 07:21 PM

Oh. My. That was LAST year. Stop living in the past. You sound like a Dayton fan! ;)

Weren't the Reds preseason favorites last year, but ended up toward the middle of the pack when the games were actually played. Kind of like dayton......

BBC 08

04-05-2012, 08:17 PM

Just read back through this thread and it gave me a smile. It might be one of the most underrated threads in XH history.

RealDeal

04-05-2012, 08:20 PM

Dayton=cubs.

1-0 baby, J Bruce on pace to hit 162 HR.

Woooooooo!

BandAid

04-05-2012, 08:31 PM

Actually, we are currently the workld champs. Currently. As in right this very minute we wear the crown.

And I get the XU / Dayton quips, but I think you have the roles reversed.

Little Brother.

Except when you look in record books it reads 2011.

O, and by the way. I am not the little brother. I am the runt in this family.

PS - I hope you guys know I'm just screwing with you. I really have no hard feelings for the Cards. Except Yadier...

BBC 08

04-09-2012, 06:54 PM

whiteyxu

04-09-2012, 07:30 PM

I was really hoping to see a lot of hate from you all since the Cards are in town for the next 3 days.

I guess you guys have already resigned to the fact that the Cards are better than the Reds.

That's understandable.

The lack of fans at GABP today for a matchup against what is now apparently such a hated rival seems to corroborate your suspicion.

Muskied

04-09-2012, 08:16 PM

I was really hoping to see a lot of hate from you all since the Cards are in town for the next 3 days.

I guess you guys have already resigned to the fact that the Cards are better than the Reds.

That's understandable.

They are? I thought I smelled something. 25 a holes are quite pungent.

BBC 08

04-09-2012, 09:03 PM

And the Cardinals win 7-1. What a great night.

paulxu

04-09-2012, 09:58 PM

Ack!

mohr5150

04-09-2012, 10:22 PM

My hope is that, someday, the Reds will have a manager with balls big enough to put a 95 mph fastball right in the temple of Molina's head. I really don't care what it does to him or what it does to the psyche of the pitcher who does it. Molina deserves whatever pain and suffering would come with that pitch. I put him in the same category as Bob Huggins...total shit of the earth.

MHettel

04-10-2012, 12:07 PM

RealDeal

04-10-2012, 12:10 PM