Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

[PM Thor]

Obl is dead. God bless the USA.

[Tu 4 MVP]

Great way to start the week:)

[Snipe]

He died in Tora Bora long ago.

[GuyFawkes38]

This is kind of cool. A tweet from the predator drone that killed him:

http://twitter.com/#!/drunkenpredator/status/64884339044917250

[PM Thor]

He died in Tora Bora long ago.

I don't care when or where (although the quick snapshot info is that it was a CIA operation that got him). As long as we have proof, pics and DNA, just as long as that piece of shit is dead. USA-Winning!

3519 days after 9/11. Rot in peace you evil, evil man.

[MCXU]

This made my day. Well done to or guys out there. Intelligence never gave up on this.

[Snipe]

I want to see the forensics come out. It is hard to believe he has been alive and never made a tape just to give us the finger every year on 9/11.

I think he bought the farm long ago, and I have a curious interest in the information that is going to come out after tonight. I have a hard time believing that he was still alive after all these years without making a video.

Glad he is dead.

[Snipe]

It is 11:02, and Obama called a national press conference for 10:30. That is true to form for Obama. He never gets it on time. At some point you have to figure that it isn't a bug, it is a feature. He likes to call press conferences and then make us all wait in anticipation.

It would be a small quibble if it didn't happen all the time with him. Perhaps it is still a small quibble, but it happens all the time. 10:30 is now 11:04 and we don't know where Elvis is in the building. Get over yourself BHO.

Perhaps they had problems loading the teleprompter or alerting all 57 states.

[DC Muskie]

It is 11:02, and Obama called a national press conference for 10:30. That is true to form for Obama. He never gets it on time. At some point you have to figure that it isn't a bug, it is a feature. He likes to call press conferences and then make us all wait in anticipation.

It would be a small quibble if it didn't happen all the time with him. Perhaps it is still a small quibble, but it happens all the time. 10:30 is now 11:04 and we don't know where Elvis is in the building. Get over yourself BHO.

Perhaps they had problems loading the teleprompter or alerting all 57 states.

Bin Laden is dead and someone still has to complain about the president of the United States.

Thank God nothing changes.

[GuyFawkes38]

Yes, I know we shouldn't politicize events like this. But this has to give Obama a nice boost for 2012.

[PM Thor]

We will find out Snipe. We will hear the official version soon enough, then the conspiracy theorists will run with it, it's how it goes.

I just hope it doesn't get politicized. This isn't a democrat victory, a republican victory, it's an American victory, we all should be celebrating.

Really, can anyone name someone who we, as a people, have wanted to see dead as much as OBL since Hitler? I really can't.

And this explains why the Pakistanis have been freaking about our drone attacks in the past couple of days...

Let's just be aware now for any reactionary attacks, which I am pretty sure are now coming. God Bless the USA.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

I want to see the forensics come out. It is hard to believe he has been alive and never made a tape just to give us the finger every year on 9/11.

I think he bought the farm long ago, and I have a curious interest in the information that is going to come out after tonight. I have a hard time believing that he was still alive after all these years without making a video.

Glad he is dead.

How gay that you won't admit you were wrong all this time.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

It is 11:02, and Obama called a national press conference for 10:30. That is true to form for Obama. He never gets it on time. At some point you have to figure that it isn't a bug, it is a feature. He likes to call press conferences and then make us all wait in anticipation.

It would be a small quibble if it didn't happen all the time with him. Perhaps it is still a small quibble, but it happens all the time. 10:30 is now 11:04 and we don't know where Elvis is in the building. Get over yourself BHO.

Perhaps they had problems loading the teleprompter or alerting all 57 states.

The teleprompter shyt again. Even gayer.

[Strange Brew]

Yes, I know we shouldn't politicize events like this. But this has to give Obama a nice boost for 2012.


We will find out Snipe. We will hear the official version soon enough, then the conspiracy theorists will run with it, it's how it goes.

I just hope it doesn't get politicized. This isn't a democrat victory, a republican victory, it's an American victory, we all should be celebrating.

Really, can anyone name someone who we, as a people, have wanted to see dead as much as OBL since Hitler? I really can't.

And this explains why the Pakistanis have been freaking about our drone attacks in the past couple of days...

Let's just be aware now for any reactionary attacks, which I am pretty sure are now coming. God Bless the USA.

Time to light a cigar and blast a little lee greenwood. It took nearly ten years and two Presidents to show the World that you do not, under any circumstances take a cheap shot and run away.

[Titanxman04]

My reaction when I heard the news?

"F*ck YES!"

USA folks. USA ALL THE WAY

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

This conservative has always been a big fan of Leon Panetta and these stepped up drone attacks.

[MCXU]

America, F*ck Yeah!!!

[Snipe]

Bin Laden is dead and someone still has to complain about the president of the United States.

Thank God nothing changes.

It is now 11:25. I am still tuned in for the 10:30 briefing. This isn't the first time and this crap does get old. This isn't normal. This is not the way the office is usually conducted. We are still waiting for the one an hour after he has called us to assemble. That guy needs to get over himself. I bet he is beating off thinking of himself.

[PM Thor]

Ok, now I just heard Frank Drebin got him!

I am popping open the champagne. Avenging the deaths of the 343 couldn't taste sweeter.


http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=450458&width=628&height=471

[Snipe]

Yes, I know we shouldn't politicize events like this. But this has to give Obama a nice boost for 2012.

Wag the Dog!

[Snipe]

The teleprompter shyt again. Even gayer.

What reason would you suggest at 11:27?

Tick tock.

[GuyFawkes38]

Wag the Dog!

ha, if this news came out closer to election day that might be a possibility.

[PM Thor]

It is now 11:25. I am still tuned in for the 10:30 briefing. This isn't the first time and this crap does get old. This isn't normal. This is not the way the office is usually conducted. We are still waiting for the one an hour after he has called us to assemble. That guy needs to get over himself. I bet he is beating off thinking of himself.

Yeah, actually it's really normal. It's probably the biggest announcement that a US president has made in the past decade at least. Best to get it right, have all the ducks in a row. You need to just shut up already Snipe, stop with this political bullshit, and revel in the moment for once in your life.

[Snipe]

I do support declaring that he is dead. He hasn't put out a video in years, being dead already. Don't expect a video coming out soon either, because he is dead and has been so.

At least our government finally acknowledged it. Now maybe we can get out of Afghanistan.

Please.

[Titanxman04]

Fact is, I think we should bury that mother-fucker on US soil. Give that son-bitch his own park to be buried in. That way, every American can line up, pay $5 to some fund to support the 9/11 foundation (whatever it's called), and piss on that asshole's grave. It's a win-win for all.

Fuck him. May he rot in hell.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Yeah, actually it's really normal. It's probably the biggest announcement that a US president has made in the past decade at least. Best to get it right, have all the ducks in a row. You need to just shut up already Snipe, stop with this political bullshit, and revel in the moment for once in your life.


I am proud of our forces and our President. This makes me unlike phony liberals who like to pretend they were standing arm and arm with Dubya post 9/11.

[SixFig]

America f### yeah. Great day. But I will pray for his soul #forgiveyourenemies

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Fact is, I think we should bury that mother-fucker on US soil. Give that son-bitch his own park to be buried in. That way, every American can line up, pay $5 to some fund to support the 9/11 foundation (whatever it's called), and piss on that asshole's grave. It's a win-win for all.

Fuck him. May he rot in hell.

I feel the same about Bob Huggins except I'd add a $5 video fee so you could post it on YouTube.

[PM Thor]

God I wish I could just block your asinine posts Snipe.

Ok, if OBL had been dead, why in the Hell would we announce it on a Sunday late at night, during the slowest news cycle time of the week? If your conspiracy BS was true, Obama would have made the announcement during the news hour to get the absolute most traction possible. Good God man, you are nuts.

[Snipe]

Yeah, actually it's really normal. It's probably the biggest announcement that a US president has made in the past decade at least. Best to get it right, have all the ducks in a row. You need to just shut up already Snipe, stop with this political bullshit, and revel in the moment for once in your life.


Why is this normal. Why did he call for a 10:30 press conference? When did Bush, Clinton, Bush's dad or Reagan do this? Were they all always late. Why not call it for later?

Seriously? It is 11:32. It has been 62 minutes since this was to begin and we are still waiting. The press has already delivered the story.

I will say it again. This is not a bug, this is a feature. This is planned. They want the build up and the hype. That is why they leaked it. They want the drama. This is politics. This is a grand stage. Don't tell me to stop with the political bullshit because you don't know politics when they are playing it right in your face. This is politics. Nothing is stopping him from speaking at 10:30. This has to be by design.

A feature, not a bug. I can't want for the midnight announcement.

[xubrew]

America, F*ck Yeah!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

[Titanxman04]

No American was harmed in the strike. Hell yes. Too many lives have been lost already. Glad he won't be responsible for anymore.

USA!

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

They "took care to avoid civilian casualties." Typical lib. I'm sure Obama is pissed about Nagasaki.

[Titanxman04]

USA! USA! USA!

One nation. Under God.
Indivisible.
With Liberty and Justice for All.


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As my 2000th post, I feel that this is the best post I can possibly make.

[GuyFawkes38]

This is kind of cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8ko4x5ukg

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

And there it is. The call for the spirit that pervaded post 9/11. It actually wasn't there but he wants what Bush never received. Look, it wasn't that frat boy's fault that Palm Beach Jews don't know how to punch a ballot! Get over it.

[MCXU]

I'm glad to here there was a firefight on the ground. That M*ther F*cker new what was about to happen and probably Sh*t himself.

Guided missles are great but that *sshole didn't deserve a quick death with no warning. I'm glad he saw the face of the American that shot him dead.

[Titanxman04]

MCXU,

Absolutely agreed. Those guys who took part in ridding the world of that prick, should never have to buy a beer again.

[xsteve1]

Obama dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's in that speech. Teleprompter or not that was one hell of a speech. Obama earned some new found respect from me today.
Thanks to the great American's that finally were able to put that evil terrorist down. It was a long time coming.

[Snipe]

God I wish I could just block your asinine posts Snipe.

Ok, if OBL had been dead, why in the Hell would we announce it on a Sunday late at night, during the slowest news cycle time of the week? If your conspiracy BS was true, Obama would have made the announcement during the news hour to get the absolute most traction possible. Good God man, you are nuts.



Thor, I always believed he was dead. That didn't change tonight just because we "announced" it. Get this. Sometimes our government is wrong. They don't even have to be caught lying. The crime isn't what is illegal, it is what is legal. Sometimes your government lies too, take your pension for instance. I had nothing to do with it. Don't trust your government.

I think that Osama would have given us more videos if he was really alive. That is why I think he died in Tora Bora. That is my best evidence. The man was an egomaniac. I simply don't believe and I need to be convinced. I can't wait to see the forensics and the DNA testing from the most transparent government in our history.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Obama dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's in that speech. Teleprompter or not that was one hell of a speech. Obama earned some new found respect from me today.
Thanks to the great American's (J List) that finally were able to put that evil terrorist down. It was a long time coming.

He got it done. Unlike when Bill hemmed and hawed when Osama was in that camp in the Sudan. In typical fashion Bill sent a cruise missile that even I coulda evaded.

[PM Thor]

I'm glad to here there was a firefight on the ground. That M*ther F*cker new what was about to happen and probably Sh*t himself.

Guided missles are great but that *sshole didn't deserve a quick death with no warning. I'm glad he saw the face of the American that shot him dead.

Could you imagine the CIA team who got the honor to kill him? We probably will never learn their names either. Special operations forces doing things that we won't know about. These men and women rule. Here's to hoping they get to relax and crack a beer tonight. Truly superstars that should know we are all proud of them and their service.

I hope they drew penises and put makeup on his body, fratboy style.

[MCXU]

Loving the crowds outside the White House chanting USA, USA, USA.

[Snipe]

One point about the "Justice" for Bin Laden.

Did Bin Laden ever admit that he was behind 9/11? Was he ever tried in a court of law? Did he has a chance to have a lawyer and give a defense?

My point being that we endlessly debated "torture" under George Bush because our government water-boarded a total of three people, including Khalid SM, who was the true mastermind of 9/11 according to the spooks (it wasn't Osama). So we poured some water on some of those crazy freaks and people went crazy, but we (allegedly) kill a man without trial and I bet nobody could care less. For the record I couldn't care less if you caught Bin Laden, then tortured him and then killed him slowly. It just seems odd that "Justice" has been done when the man was never convicted, and this comes from the same people that protested torture.

[BBC 08]

Could you imagine the CIA team who got the honor to kill him? We probably will never learn their names either. Special operations forces doing things that we won't know about. These men and women rule. Here's to hoping they get to relax and crack a beer tonight. Truly superstars that should know we are all proud of them and their service.

I hope they drew penises and put makeup on his body, fratboy style.


Early rumors is that it was the 101st Airborne that carried out the attack.

[Snipe]

Obama dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's in that speech. Teleprompter or not that was one hell of a speech. Obama earned some new found respect from me today.
Thanks to the great American's that finally were able to put that evil terrorist down. It was a long time coming.


It was a great speech. I loved the way he evoked God, Land and Country. I waited over an hour to hear that speech, and I didn't even have a ticket.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Thor, I always believed he was dead. That didn't change tonight just because we "announced" it. Get this. Sometimes our government is wrong. They don't even have to be caught lying. The crime isn't what is illegal, it is what is legal. Sometimes your government lies too, take your pension for instance. I had nothing to do with it. Don't trust your government.

I think that Osama would have given us more videos if he was really alive. That is why I think he died in Tora Bora. That is my best evidence. The man was an egomaniac. I simply don't believe and I need to be convinced. I can't wait to see the forensics and the DNA testing from the most transparent government in our history.

And you believe Ron Brown was murdered. I also heard that the Clintons' dog buddy was 86'd cuz he knew the truth about Vince Foster. It all went down in Chappaqua.

[MCXU]

Nah Nah Nah Nah,
Nah Nah Nah Nah,
Hey Hey Hey,
Rot In Hell!

[Snipe]

He got it done. Unlike when Bill hemmed and hawed when Osama was in that camp in the Sudan. In typical fashion Bill sent a cruise missile that even I coulda evaded.

The Sudanese government offered to give him up. You didn't even have to send a missle. They said "You want him?", and Bill Clinton declined. We could have saved 2 or 3 trillion dollars with one simple black box operation to fetch and dispose.

I don't want my Grandfather's Oldsmobile, but I do want his CIA. Give me some off the books black opps and lets take out some pigs.

Much cheaper, more efficient and better for the world that way.

[SixFig]

BTW on MSNBC you can see a person with an A-10 shirt on in the crowd.


A-10!
A-10!

[GuyFawkes38]

We'll see dead pictures of Bin Laden soon. The arab world requires that kind of imagery to believe in this sort of stuff (still creeped out by the images of sadam).

[Blueblob4life]

btw on msnbc you can see a person with an a-10 shirt on in the crowd.


A-10!
A-10!

i just saw that!!!!!!

[Snipe]

And you believe Ron Brown was murdered. I also heard that the Clintons' dog buddy was 86'd cuz he knew the truth about Vince Foster. It all went down in Chappaqua.

link (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38459)

I am not sure about Ron Brown, but I do think that people should give it a look

The circumstances are unique to say the least.

[Blueblob4life]

But on a more serious note besides being proud of the A-10 love:

Am I the only one who's nervous about the fallout from this? I am scared for the people who have his body and are transporting it and I hope that they remain safe. I am nervous as hell about our security. Sure he's dead, but zealots with a fallen leader scare the holy hell out of me. People are already crazy enough as it is, but now...........I'm just nervous.
Sure, I want to sort of be happy, but I'm more cautious right now and VERY wary. Call me paranoid, but we can't slip up on our security now.

[xsteve1]

C'mon Snipe this is not a night for partisanship. Save it for another day. This is a great day for America.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Could you imagine the CIA team who got the honor to kill him? We probably will never learn their names either. Special operations forces doing things that we won't know about. These men and women rule. Here's to hoping they get to relax and crack a beer tonight. Truly superstars that should know we are all proud of them and their service.

I hope they drew penises and put makeup on his body, fratboy style.


Yeah, ,i hear ya. Reminds me of the scene from Bowden's "Killing Pablo." Sorry, but there aren't many people in that world other than Delta snipers that can make a kill shot like that.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Early rumors is that it was the 101st Airborne that carried out the attack.

101st? Musta been Timeless.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

C'mon Snipe this is not a night for partisanship. Save it for another day. This is a great day for America.

This.

[PM Thor]

But on a more serious note besides being proud of the A-10 love:

Am I the only one who's nervous about the fallout from this? I am scared for the people who have his body and are transporting it and I hope that they remain safe. I am nervous as hell about our security. Sure he's dead, but zealots with a fallen leader scare the holy hell out of me. People are already crazy enough as it is, but now...........I'm just nervous.
Sure, I want to sort of be happy, but I'm more cautious right now and VERY wary. Call me paranoid, but we can't slip up on our security now.

Not me. I don't fear those people. I won't live my life afraid of what they "could" do. Hell, my fiancee is travelling to Indonesia, Bali specifically, Singapore, Jackarta, and Mumbai in the next couple of weeks. I won't worry.

Of course we will be vigilant, but we are the USA, and I won't fear anyone, ever.

Go Navy SEALS!

PS, gotta pick up a newspaper tomorrow!

[Blue Blooded-05]

Anyone catch foxnews.com after the story broke? Actual headline in bold type: "Usama Bin Landed dead Fox News Confrims"

http://blunttheking.tumblr.com/post/5121464409/hey-guys-usama-bin-landen-died-fox-news-is-the

America: Epic Win
Fox News: Epic Fail

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Did you know if you look up "unctuous" in the dictionary you will see the smiling visage of NBC's David Gregory?

[MCXU]

Anyone catch foxnews.com after the story broke? Actual headline in bold type: "Usama Bin Landed dead Fox News Confrims"

http://blunttheking.tumblr.com/post/5121464409/hey-guys-usama-bin-landen-died-fox-news-is-the

America: Epic Win
Fox News: Epic Fail

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/02/typo-msnbc-correspondent-accidentally-reports-on-twitter-that-obama-killed/

whoops, looks like everyone is making mistakes tonight.

[Snipe]

C'mon Snipe this is not a night for partisanship. Save it for another day. This is a great day for America.


What is partisanship? I think that he died in Tora Bora during the Bush years. If that ever came to light as fact I think people would question why we ever went to war in Afghanistan in the first place.

I complained that he took an hour to make the announcement. This isn't the first time. Like I said, it isn't a bug, it is a feature. That is shobiz. They are hyping the drama. Can you deny that? Can you deny that they called a press conference and then waited another 66 minutes until The One came to tell us the good news? It is orchestrated, anyone can see that. Pointing that out doesn't make me unpatriotic.

I think Bin Laden was already dead. I need to be convinced otherwise. I have stated my feelings on other threads, even during the Bush Administration. It isn't about partisanship.

Should we celebrate that Obama is dead? HELL YEAH! He is dead. I can tell you that for sure. I am glad he is dead, and I am all for the celebration of that rat bastard's death.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Not me. I don't fear those people. I won't live my life afraid of what they "could" do. Hell, my fiancee is travelling to Indonesia, Bali specifically, Singapore, Jackarta, and Mumbai in the next couple of weeks. I won't worry.

Of course we will be vigilant, but we are the USA, and I won't fear anyone, ever.

Go Navy SEALS!

PS, gotta pick up a newspaper tomorrow!

She better watch out for those tsunamis caused by Dubya's weather machine.

I like your style with the newspaper. Cleared out the old man's apartment yesterday and he had the following newspapers/mags: 9/11 attacks; joe nuxhall's death; Reagan's landslide election; the 77' blizzard when we walked across the Ohio; a mint condition Newsweek detailing Watergate.
:

[SixFig]

What is partisanship? I think that he died in Tora Bora during the Bush years. If that ever came to light as fact I think people would question why we ever went to war in Afghanistan in the first place.

I complained that he took an hour to make the announcement. This isn't the first time. Like I said, it isn't a bug, it is a feature. That is shobiz. They are hyping the drama. Can you deny that? Can you deny that they called a press conference and then waited another 66 minutes until The One came to tell us the good news? It is orchestrated, anyone can see that. Pointing that out doesn't make me unpatriotic.

I think Bin Laden was already dead. I need to be convinced otherwise. I have stated my feelings on other threads, even during the Bush Administration. It isn't about partisanship.

Should we celebrate that Obama is dead? HELL YEAH! He is dead. I can tell you that for sure. I am glad he is dead, and I am all for the celebration of that rat bastard's death.

Who cares when, how, or why he's dead...he's dead. Put away your tinfoil hat.

EWOK PARTY

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2246/endorcelebration.jpg

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

I wish Kahn's was here to interpret Star Wars references for me.

[CleXU]

Interesting note its being reported by NBC that the US was able to track some of Osama's couriers to the compound he was living in. The compound did not have any phone lines, internet, or similar things in order to prevent any digital foot print that US authorities could pick up on. It was pointed out earlier, also, on Fox that his video's had stopped mainly because the people he was using to deliver the videos to the various middle eastern news outlets were being tracked back to the areas he was hiding and Osama did not want to take the chance that this would actually lead back to him.

[PM Thor]

There is a crowd gathering at Ground Zero.

I wish I didn't work tomorrow, because otherwise I would be on Fountain Square right now drinking this champagne.

I have a bunch of newspapers. Reds in 90, Xaviers first Elite 8, multiple 9/11 ones, the Bush/Gore election, start of the first Gulf War...I have a big stack, just holding onto them for my future kids, since newspapers probably won't exist by then.

Obama went gangsta.

[Snipe]

I don't own a tinfoil hat. I want to see the evidence. I was convinced he was already dead. I am not alone in that either. I want to see the proof. If you put all your faith in the "Great Leader", I question your judgement. I didn't trust Bush on this, and I am not trusting Obama either until I see proof.

I think he would have had an actual video in the last few years if he was alive. The guy loved attention. I can't imagine him being alive and not going on video, even while other AQ guys were going on video. I just honestly don't believe it, and I want to see proof. I think I have legitimate reasons.

I am glad he is dead though. F Him for sure. Pig Farmer.

[madness31]

To me this death is irrelevant. Terrorism will never stop unless the whole world is turned into a police state. Bin Laden already won anyway. He and his organization could never harm the US in any meaningful way. His only hope was to bankrupt the US. The costly wars definitely have the country much closer to that end. The country is weaker after a decade of fighting with money we never had. If the US took the responsible road and shored up security, possibly used special forces to hunt down Bin Laden and crew, the country would be better prepared for future events.

As for conspiracy theories anything is possible but there are numerous reasons why bin laden didn't issue any tapes. His security may have always been in question or his health to poor to rally the troops.

Fallout from this event could occur but there is no reason to fear it. Terrorists cannot have a meaningful impact on the US unless we give them that power. Every loss of life is awful but the true tragedy would be if the country bankrupts itself trying to accomplish the impossible. There is no way to stop terrorism. We should simply improve our defenses at home. Improve inspection capabilities at ports, ensure power plants have adequate security/protecton, etc.

[Snipe]

I wish Kahn's was here to interpret Star Wars references for me.

Yeah I didn't get that either. Telling someone to put away the tin foil hat and then referencing fantasyland doesn't make much sense. I just went with it I guess.

[Snipe]

Interesting note its being reported by NBC that the US was able to track some of Osama's couriers to the compound he was living in. The compound did not have any phone lines, internet, or similar things in order to prevent any digital foot print that US authorities could pick up on. It was pointed out earlier, also, on Fox that his video's had stopped mainly because the people he was using to deliver the videos to the various middle eastern news outlets were being tracked back to the areas he was hiding and Osama did not want to take the chance that this would actually lead back to him.

Which videos are you talking about? When was his last video? Can you post a link here?

He doesn't have videos.

He is dead, and has been dead.

[GuyFawkes38]

In all seriousness, I just saw a tweet by a DC reporter that the GW cheerleading squad is performing for the crowd at the White House.

I'm sure there are a lot of other GW student there, which explains the A10 shirt.

[HuskyMuskie]

Please view and jam out. Oh, and P.S, Xavier students are rallying on the greenspace as we speak. Too funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

I don't own a tinfoil hat. I want to see the evidence. I was convinced he was already dead. I am not alone in that either. I want to see the proof. If you put all your faith in the "Great Leader", I question your judgement. I didn't trust Bush on this, and I am not trusting Obama either until I see proof.

I think he would have had an actual video in the last few years if he was alive. The guy loved attention. I can't imagine him being alive and not going on video, even while other AQ guys were going on video. I just honestly don't believe it, and I want to see proof. I think I have legitimate reasons.

I am glad he is dead though. F Him for sure. Pig Farmer.

By your logic he is probably still alive. They are lying to you right now! Anything but admit you were wrong.

[CleXU]

Snipe... It was a report on tv... and I believe they were refering to videos from years ago. Look, I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other. However, I do think Osama was smart enough to realize that his ability to avoid capture and his simple existence is/was much more powerful than any one video/speech or multitude of videos. I do not find it all that hard to believe that he went completely dark on the technology front in order to avoid capture. Where I see more of a potential for conspiracy however is within the Pakistan government. I would not be surprised in any way if it eventually came out that people within that government knew where he was and were aiding in his hiding, especially with the more I hear about the compound he was found in and its proximity to Islamabad.

I understand your point and you have valid concerns. I don't really believe he was already dead but like you I'm withholding judgment on my beliefs till I learn more. I think all any of us can really say is that we don't really know anything other than he is dead.

[LadyMuskie]

Seriously? You don't get the Star Wars reference? The Ewoks were celebrating because Darth Vader was dead, the Emperor was dead, and the Imperial Forces were defeated. So, Bin Laden= The Emperor and Darth Vader together and we are the Ewoks. Although, I'd like to think of myself as Leia. :p

I'm proud of our government, our CIA, and our military tonight. I'm proud that we got out without losing one man. I'm proud to be an American every day, but nights like this make me even more proud. Some people can't find a way to be happy no matter what. What a sad way to live. I'm glad that I no longer have to share this earth and air with this monster.

And I agree with Thor. You can't live in fear of what might happen. That's what terrorists want. Live your life to the fullest!

[MCXU]

Saw a quote on a message board.

"Osama Bin Laden, Hide and Go Seek Champion 2001 -2011"

Yesterday that would not have been funny.

Today it is hilarious.

AMERICA F*CK YEAH!!!

I'm gonna be signing that all day at work tomorrow.

[waggy]

If you aren't sending tapes, why do you need couriers? Chinese carryout?

[Snipe]

By your logic he is probably still alive. They are lying to you right now! Anything but admit you were wrong.

I need some evidence first. If I am convinced I will admit that I am wrong. I have admitted that I am wrong before. I have been wrong many times and admitted it. Sometimes I hope that I am wrong (the collapse of the dollar scenario that I preach). I am probably often wrong by some accounts.

That doesn't mean I should just buy whatever Obama is saying.

Bin Laden stopped making videos after Tora Bora. I believe that he died at Tora Bora in December of 2001. That was ten years ago. He hasn't made a legitimate video since that time. He made many videos before that time. He was an egomaniac. He would have loved the attention that every new video brought, but he didn't make another one.

I am a skeptic.

[Snipe]

Seriously? You don't get the Star Wars reference? The Ewoks were celebrating because Darth Vader was dead, the Emperor was dead, and the Imperial Forces were defeated. So, Bin Laden= The Emperor and Darth Vader together and we are the Ewoks. Although, I'd like to think of myself as Leia. :p

I'm proud of our government, our CIA, and our military tonight. I'm proud that we got out without losing one man. I'm proud to be an American every day, but nights like this make me even more proud. Some people can't find a way to be happy no matter what. What a sad way to live. I'm glad that I no longer have to share this earth and air with this monster.

And I agree with Thor. You can't live in fear of what might happen. That's what terrorists want. Live your life to the fullest!

In the last ten years we have lost a lot of men. Proud men.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Snipe... It was a report on tv... and I believe they were refering to videos from years ago. Look, I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other. However, I do think Osama was smart enough to realize that his ability to avoid capture and his simple existence is/was much more powerful than any one video/speech or multitude of videos. I do not find it all that hard to believe that he went completely dark on the technology front in order to avoid capture. Where I see more of a potential for conspiracy however is within the Pakistan government. I would not be surprised in any way if it eventually came out that people within that government knew where he was and I were aiding in his hiding, especially with the more I hear about the compound he was found in and its proximity to Islamabad.

I understand your point and you have valid concerns. I don't really believe he was already dead but like you I'm withholding judgment on my beliefs till I learn more. I think all any of us can really say is that we don't really know anything other than he is dead.

Gee, you think Pakistani intelligence might have been complicit? This isn't exactly earth shattering stuff. Pakistan is delicate. They have nukes and every leader seems to come from the military. I think it is likely the military assasinated Bhutto. Our history has been to go with the devil you know and go Kissinger Realpolitik.

[Snipe]

In DC they are chanting:

Wait for it......


YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!

Who chided me as being a partisan?

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

In DC they are chanting:

Wait for it......


YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!

Who chided me as being a partisan?

Well, their boy got him in two years whereas his predecessor didn't get him in 8. And like you wouldn't have been on here celebrating how Repubs are tough on national security if the previous regime had closed the deal. So yeah, yer partisan.

[GuyFawkes38]

Interesting note from NBC. Osama's body is being treated properly according to Islamic law and will be in the future. Makes sense, but still strikes me a little odd.

[SixFig]

Somehow, I think you won't be satisfied even if proof of his recent death is provided. Just a guess.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Interesting note from NBC. Osama's body is being treated properly according to Islamivokc law and will be in the future. Makes sense, but still strikes me a little odd.

What else would they do? The same liberals who went ballistic when Bush invoked "crusade" aren't gonna desecrate Osama's evil corpse.

[GuyFawkes38]

Somehow, I think you won't be satisfied even if proof of his recent death is provided. Just a guess.

there will be. As I mentioned, the Arab world demands pictures (that's the reason the US provided pics for sadam and other captured Al Queda leaders).

[Juice]

Somehow, I think you won't be satisfied even if proof of his recent death is provided. Just a guess.

This photo was on twitter but I have no idea if it is real or not.

http://yfrog.com/h423480245j

[Xavier]

I don't own a tinfoil hat. I want to see the evidence. I was convinced he was already dead. I am not alone in that either. I want to see the proof. If you put all your faith in the "Great Leader", I question your judgement. I didn't trust Bush on this, and I am not trusting Obama either until I see proof.

I think he would have had an actual video in the last few years if he was alive. The guy loved attention. I can't imagine him being alive and not going on video, even while other AQ guys were going on video. I just honestly don't believe it, and I want to see proof. I think I have legitimate reasons.

I am glad he is dead though. F Him for sure. Pig Farmer.

Just curious what proof and evidence you had that he was already dead. Please don't tell me your proof and evidence is based around him not coming out with a video??? That would be hysterical.
What kind of proof and evidence are you looking for now? and was it the same type of proof/evidence you wanted and needed a couple years ago that you must have gotten?

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Just curious what proof and evidence you had that he was already dead. Please don't tell me your proof and evidence is based around him not coming out with a video??? That would be hysterical.
What kind of proof and evidence are you looking for now? and was it the same type of proof/evidence you wanted and needed a couple years ago that you must have gotten?

No, it's the video.

[Xavier]

there will be. As I mentioned, the Arab world demands pictures (that's the reason the US provided pics for sadam and other captured Al Queda leaders).

No question about it- Arab worlds wont fully believe it until picture evidence which I imagine will come out.

[SixFig]

Box Score:

Win: Bush
Loss: Osama
Save: Obama.

[PM Thor]

Sorry it took so long for Obama to provide the long version of his birth certificate, he was kind of busy giving the "GO" order for the killing of our #1 enemy.

Hope you guys are in heavy in the stock market for tomorrow, it's going to shoot through the roof.

[Backyard Champ]

This photo was on twitter but I have no idea if it is real or not.

http://yfrog.com/h423480245j

Don't know if it was real or not, but that's been removed. Didn't get to see it.

[smileyy]

Does this mean we get to end our wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya and the other places we haven't found out about yet, or will the military/CIA continue attaching a vacuum hose to the wallets of the American people and to the blood supplies of everyone in the world?

[GuyFawkes38]

Sorry it took so long for Obama to provide the long version of his birth certificate, he was kind of busy giving the "GO" order for the killing of our #1 enemy.

Hope you guys are in heavy in the stock market for tomorrow, it's going to shoot through the roof.

International markets haven't increased much.

A little sobering. Our economy still sucks.

[pizza delivery]

- Snipe has jumped the shark big time.

- Hitler and Bin Laden's deaths were announced on May 1st.

- The homily today was about forgiveness and not seeking revenge. Makes for a stark view of the life we live and the life we are called to live.

- One of Bin Laden's sons said in a Rolling Stone interview last year that Bin Laden was actually a cap on the ambitions of Al Queda. Let's hope there is no more attacks.

- Navy seals are the shit. True superheroes.

[PM Thor]

International markets haven't increased much.

A little sobering. Our economy still sucks.

They will follow our lead, they always do.

[PM Thor]

http://t.co/yoDcXtc

Remembering the justice brought to our lost 343 Brothers going in. Brings a tear to my eye.

[GuyFawkes38]

They will follow our lead, they always do.

Just checked the japanses market again. They now have a nice 1.4% jump.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Sorry it took so long for Obama to provide the long version of his birth certificate, he was kind of busy giving the "GO" order for the killing of our #1 enemy.

Hope you guys are in heavy in the stock market for tomorrow, it's going to shoot through the roof.

Maybe, but the Messiah might wanna work on that gas pump. I guess it wasn't all about the Bushes and their evil oil cronies. Where is Michale Moore with an expose on that?

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

http://t.co/yoDcXtc

Remembering the justice brought to our lost 343 Brothers going in. Brings a tear to my eye.

Once again conflating his job with the heroism of the NYFD. I find it disgusting.

[waggy]

Had a friend die of lung cancer. Developed from whatever he was exposed to working in an auto body shop.

[pizza delivery]

Osama shot in the head they're saying.

Seriously, who's life is it that can carry the mantle of killing Osama? What can it be compared to? Put yourself in that moment. Fire that shot. So amazing! And whoever brought up the reward money, these Seals should get paid according to the magnitude of this event.

How badly did the world want the story of killing Hitler? I know the Americans that got to his Eagle's Nest ransacked the place, drank beers and generally trounced all over his existance. I know Saddam's killing was organized, but the actionable moment was his being pulled from that hole. That would have been cool, but not this cool. I can't think of any other type of event that compares to this one in my life. Any one else have a comparison?

[GoMuskies]

This is a weird thread.

[MCXU]

Osama shot in the head they're saying.

Seriously, who's life is it that can carry the mantle of killing Osama? What can it be compared to? Put yourself in that moment. Fire that shot. So amazing! And whoever brought up the reward money, these Seals should get paid according to the magnitude of this event.

How badly did the world want the story of killing Hitler? I know the Americans that got to his Eagle's Nest ransacked the place, drank beers and generally trounced all over his existance. I know Saddam's killing was organized, but the actionable moment was his being pulled from that hole. That would have been cool, but not this cool. I can't think of any other type of event that compares to this one in my life. Any one else have a comparison?

Tom Brady: Hi I'm Tom Brady, I have 3 Superbowl Rings and am married to a supermodel.

Guy who shot OBL: Hi, I'm a Navy Seal and shot Osama Bin Laden in the face.

Tom Brady: Will you do me the honor of sleeping with my wife and then kicking we in the testicles. You sir are my hero.

[Juice]

Don't know if it was real or not, but that's been removed. Didn't get to see it.

Try this one

http://yfrog.com/h8ksctwj

[pizza delivery]

This is a weird thread.

I'm upset about how this news will effect the Royal Wedding coverage, too.

[waggy]

Try this one

http://yfrog.com/h8ksctwj

Lung Cancer does that?

[pizza delivery]

Tom Brady: Hi I'm Tom Brady, I have 3 Superbowl Rings and am married to a supermodel.

Guy who shot OBL: Hi, I'm a Navy Seal and shot Osama Bin Laden in the face.

Tom Brady: Will you do me the honor of sleeping with my wife and then kicking we in the testicles. You sir are my hero.

YES! I have a new signature!

[pizza delivery]

Fox News has said that Paki news has shown a photo of the grusome corpse, which may or may not appear in America (it will). They also said they gave Osama the chance to surrender and he would not. I already have to see this movie.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Try this one

http://yfrog.com/h8ksctwj

I had that at Pomodori's on Friday.

[pizza delivery]

Shot between the eyes. Intense.
Burial by 4pm tomorrow. Possibly at sea. Coooool.

[xubball1993]

For the families of 9/11, I hope this day gives them some sense of justice and closure.

[Titanxman04]

Who cares when, how, or why he's dead...he's dead. Put away your tinfoil hat.

EWOK PARTY

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2246/endorcelebration.jpg


There is a crowd gathering at Ground Zero.

I wish I didn't work tomorrow, because otherwise I would be on Fountain Square right now drinking this champagne.

I have a bunch of newspapers. Reds in 90, Xaviers first Elite 8, multiple 9/11 ones, the Bush/Gore election, start of the first Gulf War...I have a big stack, just holding onto them for my future kids, since newspapers probably won't exist by then.

Obama went gangsta.


Box Score:

Win: Bush
Loss: Osama
Save: Obama.

These and so many others. Reps if I could.

I'm disappointed this turned into a huge political thread. It's not how this news should be handled in my opinion. Just celebrate that this fucker is actually dead.

Our "break" from the team huddle today at practice will be "USA". My middle schoolers were too young to remember 9/11, but this is a great thing for not only our country, but the world.

[X-band '01]

- Snipe has jumped the shark big time.

- Hitler and Bin Laden's deaths were announced on May 1st.

- The homily today was about forgiveness and not seeking revenge. Makes for a stark view of the life we live and the life we are called to live.

- One of Bin Laden's sons said in a Rolling Stone interview last year that Bin Laden was actually a cap on the ambitions of Al Queda. Let's hope there is no more attacks.

- Navy seals are the shit. True superheroes.

I would also add believing and not seeing to that list - that's one of the central themes during the 2nd Sunday of Easter.

Celebrate today - Islam, Christian, Jew, black, white, Democrap, Republican, 3rd party and so on.

[Jumpy]

Today I am proud of my country. I am wary, but not afraid, of retaliation attempts. However, whatever they end up trying to do is nowhere near as large scale as it could be because we've been over there f**cking their s**t up for the past ten years.

[GuyFawkes38]

He killed 3,000 American civilians. It took 10 years, a trillion dollars, and countless dead American soldiers to find and kill him.

Definitely glad he's gone. But more relieved than happy.

This is a good reminder that Pakistan isn't exactly our friend. He's been hiding out in a suburb of their capital, not the caves of Afghanistan.

[Masterofreality]

He killed 3,000 American civilians. It took 10 years, a trillion dollars, and countless dead American soldiers to find and kill him.

Definitely glad he's gone. But I don't quite get the celebratory feeling.

This is a good reminder that Pakistan isn't exactly our friend. He's been hiding out in a suburb of their capital, not the caves of Afghanistan.

I wish that people would NOT go into the streets and celebrate this. It makes us look like a third world country dancing in their streets over the "death to America." We should be on a higher plane and better than that. I also wish our national news media would also not publicize the gloating.

The proper reaction to me should be that we took care of a piece of very important business and have a quiet satisfaction about it. Then we move on to the next task.

Sure we should all be pleased over these events and also thankful for the work done by our troops, but keep it in your pants. It is not a good image projecting to the rest of the world. Just another verification of American jingoism.

[GuyFawkes38]

I wish that people would NOT go into the streets and celebrate this. It makes us look like a third world country dancing in their streets over the "death to America." We should be on a higher plane and better than that. I also wish our national news media would also not publicize the gloating.

The proper reaction to me should be that we took care of a piece of very important business and have a quiet satisfaction about it. Then we move on to the next task.

Sure we should all be pleased over these events and also thankful for the work done by our troops, but keep it in your pants. It is not a good image projecting to the rest of the world. Just another verification of American jingoism.

Completely agree.

I edited my post to not seem like a downer (it's a bad habit, constantly changing my posts). But yeah, that was my feeling.

[Muskie]

It seemed to me that Obama took an awful lot of credit for it last night (I suppose anyone in the same situation would have done the same). I think it would have been a nice touch if they had flown President Bush into D.C., so that he could have at least been next to him (but obviously off the podium) for the announcement. Some short prepared remarks from President Bush, then President Obama could talk all he wanted. Would have been good for the country to see that at least on one issue, it doesn't matter what party you are.

[boozehound]

Fox News has said that Paki news has shown a photo of the grusome corpse, which may or may not appear in America (it will). They also said they gave Osama the chance to surrender and he would not. I already have to see this movie.

I hope that they shot him in the groin first. Like 5 minutes or so before they shot him in the face.

[Snipe]

Shot between the eyes. Intense.
Burial by 4pm tomorrow. Possibly at sea. Coooool.

A quick burial at sea? Color me unsurprised.

No forensics.

[powerofX]

A quick burial at sea? Color me unsurprised.

No forensics.

I can't always go as far out as snipe with my reasoning, but the timing of this is way too convenient.

- Same day that NATO tries to take out Gadaffi...kills just his fam and is accused of violating int. law with an assassination

- Same week that the general in charge of the operation is tapped for the CIA

- The day after April is the deadliest month for the US in Iraq since '09.

- burial at sea so no body

- Anything else they are trying to deflect our attention away from?

[Muskie]

A quick burial at sea? Color me unsurprised.

No forensics.

I thought they had already gathered forensic evidence. That's what I garnered from TV last night.

Although I suppose Snipe that unless you're present in the room and get to review the analysis yourself, that you won't be satisfied? ;)

[Snipe]

- Snipe has jumped the shark big time.



If George Bush had announced that we got Bin Laden and then we had a quick burial at sea I wonder how many of my fellow message board compatriots would be at my side in questioning this development.

This came out recently:


More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/More_than_half_of_Democrats_believed_Bush_knew.htm l?showall)

There aren't a lot of great public numbers on the partisan breakdown of adherents to that conspiracy theory, but the University of Ohio yesterday shared with us the crosstabs of a 2006 poll they did with Scripps Howard that's useful in that regard.


"How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?" the poll asked.

A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely."

That is: More than half of Democrats, according to a neutral survey, said they believed Bush was complicit in the 9/11 terror attacks.

To my credit (or discredit), I have talked about Osama being dead since Tora Bora since Tora Bora. This isn't knew and this isn't a partisan issue. I simply didn't believe what the government was telling me under George Bush and I said so. I still don't believe the government under Obama and now I have "jumped the shark". If I jumped the shark I jumped it long ago. I don't trust my government, and I don't believe them. This isn't new. Perhaps you haven't been reading along.

And a quick burial at sea should be a nice touch from "the most transparent administration in history".

I got negative repped for peeing on the parade. Sorry about that, we actually should celebrate. I am all for celebrating his death. I think we could have done this years ago. I was mocked for talking about his lack of video's as evidence that he was alive. That is a huge factor for me as I have stated before. I would question anyone that mocks me for what substantial evidence they have that he was actually alive.

Quick burial at sea. Really.

[DC Muskie]

We dumped his body into the sea? That's some cold blooded shit.

[Snipe]

I thought they had already gathered forensic evidence. That's what I garnered from TV last night.

Although I suppose Snipe that unless you're present in the room and get to review the analysis yourself, that you won't be satisfied? ;)

As conspiracies go getting one lab to validate DNA and then disposing of the body quickly is about the best way to do it. I don't think our government is good at conspiracies, and I don't subscribe to a lot of them. It all involves the number of people involved to pull it off. In this situation, I think a conspiracy could be workable. Think about that, that is all I ask.

The government couldn't have been complicit in 9/11 in my view because the number of people involved would have screwed the pooch. No way our big Government could pull that off even if they wanted too. Now for something like this, I think it could be done much more easily, especially if you don't have a body.

I think he was dead and I wanted to see proof. It appears that we will get rid of the body quickly and say trust us. If I am wrong I am wrong and will accept it, because I have been saying he was dead for years. I am not afraid of being wrong either, because I have been wrong many times before.

I just want the proof, and by that I mean independent verifiable proof. We will learn more in interviews of the survivors on the site. I could well be wrong. I am glad that he is dead, and I don't trust my government.

[Snipe]

I can't always go as far out as snipe with my reasoning, but the timing of this is way too convenient.

- Same day that NATO tries to take out Gadaffi...kills just his fam and is accused of violating int. law with an assassination

- Same week that the general in charge of the operation is tapped for the CIA

- The day after April is the deadliest month for the US in Iraq since '09.

- burial at sea so no body

- Anything else they are trying to deflect our attention away from?

I have questions too. I never believed the Bush government on this. I think he died at Tora Bora. Many people believed the same thing. I did a poll here on Xavier Hoops. I am not alone. I like the celebration though, I think we should have done it long ago.

[Snipe]

We dumped his body into the sea? That's some cold blooded shit.

We didn't just dump his body in the sea, we did it quickly. We paid a trillion or more dollars for that corpse, you think we could delay that dumping the body at sea for a bit. What is the rush. We went in the story says because we wanted the body. Once we got the body we quickly dump it at sea? I need more facts than that. I really do. I want to be convinced.

[GoMuskies]

Can someone give me the non-conspiracy theory reason for burying the body at sea? I haven't heard an explanation of that one yet.

[Snipe]

Keep those neg reps coming!

I got no neg reps for people for saying the same thing under Bush. I have been singing this tune for quite some time. Nobody ever neg repped me for saying it then. Now perhaps I am "unAmerican".

Really

Like I said, i could be wrong. I thought he was long dead. Let us see what the survivors say.

I wish the people that are neg repping me would counter my arguments. What proof does anyone have that this man was alive? That is my main question.

I would have bet anything that he was dead. I was convinced. Since we just killed him, I want to be convinced I was wrong. A quick burial at sea doesn't do that.

"Trust US".

His death at Tora Bora has been my favorite conspiracy theory. I have followed it for years. I have talked about it for years. Only today do I get the negative reps. Keep repping my friends.

[xavierj]

Wait Osama was still alive? I thought that guy died years ago. Maybe he has just been planning his next big blow up on US soil for the last 10 years. Man he must have the same powers as the invisible man to be able to hide out just outside of Pakistan at a large compound for 10 years and no one knows he is there. Wasn't the guy having liver failure in the late 90"s. How can a sick man hide out in the mountains or where ever he was and survive and no one knew where he was?

[BBC 08]

Can someone give me the non-conspiracy theory reason for burying the body at sea? I haven't heard an explanation of that one yet.

The one thing I've heard is that it was to keep with Muslim law that a body must be buried within a day of dying.

[XUglow]

We dumped his body into the sea? That's some cold blooded shit.

I heard someone say that dumping him at sea was the plan all along. "You can't build a shrine in the middle of the ocean." I think it was Tom Ridge, but I was listening from the bathroom, and I wasn't sure who made the quote.

[xavierj]

Can someone give me the non-conspiracy theory reason for burying the body at sea? I haven't heard an explanation of that one yet.

US wanted to honor Islamic law since Osama and his clan showed the US so much respect over the years. Either that or they had no body. Who knows? They said they have his wives and children so maybe we will get to hear from them or at least see some pictures of them. Maybe they will even show some pictures of where he was living all of these years.

[XU05and07]

Can someone give me the non-conspiracy theory reason for burying the body at sea? I haven't heard an explanation of that one yet.

I read somewhere that they were handling the body in true Muslim tradition and needed to bury it within 24 hours. The were afraid of not finding a country that would take and bury the body. Few countries would take his body in fear of the backlash and attention they would be get from both radicals and western allies.

Is that the true reason? Don't know

[GoMuskies]

The one thing I've heard is that it was to keep with Muslim law that a body must be buried within a day of dying.

We couldn't bury him somewhere we could go back and grab the body later if need be?

[Snipe]

Can someone give me the non-conspiracy theory reason for burying the body at sea? I haven't heard an explanation of that one yet.

Thank You.

And it isn't burying the body at Sea alone, but doing it "quickly".

Once the evidence is gone, it is gone.

[Olsingledigit]

Hope I am not repeating here -

Very simple and two reasons -
1. Did not want a burial on ground that would be turned into a shrine by the supporters of OBL.
2. Did it within 24 hours because that is the Muslim (cultural thing and is also the same for Jews) tradition to bury the body within 24 hours. They did not want to P__s off the muslims in general by not allowing a 24 hour burial.

No conspiracy here. Come on folks, he is dead. I am sure they have pictures and other proof of death.

[Jumpy]

Keep those neg reps coming!

I got no neg reps for people for saying the same thing under Bush. I have been singing this tune for quite some time. Nobody ever neg repped me for saying it then. Now perhaps I am "unAmerican".

Really

Like I said, i could be wrong. I thought he was long dead. Let us see what the survivors say.

I wish the people that are neg repping me would counter my arguments. What proof does anyone have that this man was alive? That is my main question.

I would have bet anything that he was dead. I was convinced. Since we just killed him, I want to be convinced I was wrong. A quick burial at sea doesn't do that.

"Trust US".

His death at Tora Bora has been my favorite conspiracy theory. I have followed it for years. I have talked about it for years. Only today do I get the negative reps. Keep repping my friends.

It's all about timing, and your's is worse than Rick Pitino's. The rest of us want to enjoy the moment for what it is, a culmination of a decade's worth of dedication and sacrafice. and all you want to do is scream about your conspiracy theory. You're the loud annoying guy at the party who tries to continually direct conversation towards a topic that no one but you is interested in.

[American X]

Well done President Obama and U.S. Navy Seals.

Now that justice on this earth has been done, I will pray for his soul.

[Snipe]

It's all about timing, and your's is worse than Rick Pitino's. The rest of us want to enjoy the moment for what it is, a culmination of a decade's worth of dedication and sacrafice. and all you want to do is scream about your conspiracy theory. You're the loud annoying guy at the party who tries to continually direct conversation towards a topic that no one but you is interested in.


Timing? I never believed Bush on this. I don't believe it now.

[Snipe]

Hope I am not repeating here -

Very simple and two reasons -
1. Did not want a burial on ground that would be turned into a shrine by the supporters of OBL.
2. Did it within 24 hours because that is the Muslim (cultural thing and is also the same for Jews) tradition to bury the body within 24 hours. They did not want to P__s off the muslims in general by not allowing a 24 hour burial.

No conspiracy here. Come on folks, he is dead. I am sure they have pictures and other proof of death.

I am not a Muslim. I don't think that we should worry about customs. What did Bin Laden do to deserve an Islamic burial?

Really? Should we actually have to respect his wishes?

[Snipe]

It's all about timing, and your's is worse than Rick Pitino's. The rest of us want to enjoy the moment for what it is, a culmination of a decade's worth of dedication and sacrafice. and all you want to do is scream about your conspiracy theory. You're the loud annoying guy at the party who tries to continually direct conversation towards a topic that no one but you is interested in.

You could be right about that. I could be too. I guess we will never know.

Sorry for bringing it up.

[X-band '01]

Hope I am not repeating here -

Very simple and two reasons -
1. Did not want a burial on ground that would be turned into a shrine by the supporters of OBL.
2. Did it within 24 hours because that is the Muslim (cultural thing and is also the same for Jews) tradition to bury the body within 24 hours. They did not want to P__s off the muslims in general by not allowing a 24 hour burial.

No conspiracy here. Come on folks, he is dead. I am sure they have pictures and other proof of death.

Exactly. There's already a worldwide alert for U.S. Embassies and alert for travel; violating Muslim laws and customs as it relates to his burial would be pouring a barrel of gas onto the fire.

People are going to believe what they want to believe on this one.

[nkymuskie]

I am not a Muslim. I don't think that we should worry about customs. What did Bin Laden do to deserve an Islamic burial?

Really? Should we actually have to respect his wishes?

If we don't show respect for the Muslim tradition that will only vilify the United States more. That would create such a s**tstorm in the entire middle east and would be great propaganda to use against us Americans. We have to respect their culture

[Snipe]

What about independent proof? That is what I would like.

Why do we have to pay respects to Bin Laden anyway?

Why?

[nkymuskie]

What about independent proof? That is what I would like.

Why do we have to pay respects to Bin Laden anyway?

Why?

I don't think we really showed any respect towards Osama. We showed respect towards the Muslim culture which is the right thing to do. The Muslim culture is not anti-American. it is just the extremist wackjobs who unfortunately are Muslim that hate the US and that paints a bad picture for the entire Muslim religion.

In this case respect the religion, not the man.

[XULucho27]

http://www.peachpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/seal_insignia.jpg

One between the eyes. Don't fuck with these dudes. A thank you to my Grandfather (Army), Uncles (Air Force, SEALs), Cousin (Current SEAL), Brother in Law (Air Force) and all the other brave men and women who put their lives on the line so that we can sleep soundly at night.

[Snipe]

Just curious what proof and evidence you had that he was already dead. Please don't tell me your proof and evidence is based around him not coming out with a video??? That would be hysterical.
What kind of proof and evidence are you looking for now? and was it the same type of proof/evidence you wanted and needed a couple years ago that you must have gotten?

I already told you that is my proof. I guess it is hysterical. He made many videos before Tora Bora and then didn't make any. Yes, that is my best evidence, but I do believe it.

What is your best proof that he was alive? George Bush's government? Is that all you have?

Why am I supposed to be intimidated by that? And a quick burial at sea? Why not prove once and for all that we have him? Do we really have to dispose of all the evidence within a day? How can I ever be convinced? I am a true believer. I need that evidence.

I have been saying this for years. Give me the evidence. A quick burial at sea doesn't cut it.

[Snipe]

I don't think we really showed any respect towards Osama. We showed respect towards the Muslim culture which is the right thing to do. The Muslim culture is not anti-American. it is just the extremist wackjobs who unfortunately are Muslim that hate the US and that paints a bad picture for the entire Muslim religion.

In this case respect the religion, not the man.

What does that mean? Is Osama a Muslim in good standing? Do we need to dispose of his body right away? If we didn't, would that be a really bad thing? He killed a lot of people. Should we announce that we killed him and then say we dumped his body in the sea just for Muslim respect? I paid a lot of taxes for his ass. What about my rights and my culture?

[bobbiemcgee]

There was no way they would take him alive. More billions wasted and thousands of protests and deaths trying him and stringing him up. The guy who plunked him saved us a ton of money/lives and National Angst for years. God Bless Him.
I think they should have chopped his head off and stuck it on a pole on the White House lawn for a while, then put it on an exploding rocket at the Cape. All Shuttle records for attendance would be shattered.

[Xavier]

I already told you that is my proof. I guess it is hysterical. He made many videos before Tora Bora and then didn't make any. Yes, that is my best evidence, but I do believe it.

What is your best proof that he was alive? George Bush's government? Is that all you have?

Why am I supposed to be intimidated by that? And a quick burial at sea? Why not prove once and for all that we have him? Do we really have to dispose of all the evidence within a day? How can I ever be convinced? I am a true believer. I need that evidence.

I have been saying this for years. Give me the evidence. A quick burial at sea doesn't cut it.

I guess my question would be- why did you not demand this same evidence then? We have apparent DNA evidence (that you already dismissed) and pictures that will be floating around in the next couple of weeks. But why do you demand such high evidence now when the only evidence you needed then was "he hasn't come out with a video". I mean, really?

[pizza delivery]

I guess my question would be- why did you not demand this same evidence then? We have apparent DNA evidence (that you already dismissed) and pictures that will be floating around in the next couple of weeks. But why do you demand such high evidence now when the only evidence you needed then was "he hasn't come out with a video". I mean, really?

But over the last 10 years the word has been kept secret that Osama is really actually dead!!!

[whiteyxu]

What is it that you want to see for evidence? It was reported that they had the body and had done DNA testing to confirm. I know there's a possibility that there was a conspiracy to leak that information to the media to give Obama the credit for finding bin Laden and ordering the strike to kill, but unless there's some proof of that theory, I'm going to believe the reports. If you want some solid evidence, what do you want to see? Do you want to see the actual PCR readout with all of the blots of dye corresponding to individual amplified pieces of DNA extracted from his body? Because I don't think that we will ever be able to see the actual proof, much less know that these samples were really taken from bin Laden himself. If it's a second source, then I understand that, but cold hard proof is going to be impossible to find as a normal citizen of the United States.

It is a great day for America, and a great day for all people around the world!

[STL_XUfan]

Snipe is just pissed that the government denied his request to personally conduct the Kennedy autoposy and didn't respect his call of 'shotgun' for the Apollo 11 mission.

[eXdrummer]

Snipe is just pissed that the government denied his request to personally conduct the Kennedy autoposy and didn't respect his call of 'shotgun' for the Apollo 11 mission.

Love it. Reps.

[pizza delivery]

This is funny:


http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=46&pictureid=476

[murray87]

God bless our military and especially the ass kickers from that Seal team!! Bin Laden's wretched body was dumped into the ocean to deny giving a pilgrimage location to any jihadi's wanting to pay him "respect." Hopefully he was wrapped in a cozy blanket of bacon. I expect the govt will release some photos and video when appropriate.

[surfxu]

Suck it osama. Good luck with those virgins in the depths of Davey Jones locker. Congrats to all our military and for those lost and wounded in this cause. Justice has prevailed. Waive the stars and stripes high ladies and gentlemen. This is a great day for our country and hopefully our security going forward. I have a new found respect for those students at George Washington University who were waiving flags at the White House last night. God Bless America!

[Emp]

It seemed to me that Obama took an awful lot of credit for it last night (I suppose anyone in the same situation would have done the same). I think it would have been a nice touch if they had flown President Bush into D.C., so that he could have at least been next to him (but obviously off the podium) for the announcement. Some short prepared remarks from President Bush, then President Obama could talk all he wanted. Would have been good for the country to see that at least on one issue, it doesn't matter what party you are.

Bush would never have come if he had been invited. Way to much like a real "mission accomplished" on the other guy's watch. It's not like Obama had a window of time to call Bush and set it up anyway. The word was out, the Pres did what he is there to do as CIC. I dont see the partisanship that you are claiming in the announcement.

If Osama had been caught/killed during the Bush presidency, would they have invited Clinton to give preliminary remarks? Not a chance, despite the fact that Clinton identified and targeted Bin Ladin and tried/failed to take him out directly.

[GuyFawkes38]

I already have OBL media fatigue. He's dead. Let's move on.

[DC Muskie]

I want proof that Osama was an actual person. I want to see a birth certificate.

I love the fact we went all Sopranos and dumped him in the ocean after giving him a Moe Green Special.

[SixFig]

"Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace.”

-Vatican Statement on Bin Laden's death

[boozehound]

"Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace.”

-Vatican Statement on Bin Laden's death

F that. I'm rejoicing.

[Masterofreality]

But over the last 10 years the word has been kept secret that Osama is really actually dead!!!

While 34 years later, Elvis still actually lives!

[cutterX]

Gotta love the double tap and the dump at sea! That Navy seal has more nuts than this whole board combined!!!
And Snipe I usually find you somewhat amusing and interesting the way I used to find my old uncle who fought in WWII somewhat amusing and interesting but today you just make me feel kinda sad. I love to question authority too but damn dude, it may be time for you to talk to someone.

[muskiefan82]

"We just can't believe he's dead because we don't see the body", stated Jimmy Hoffa and Jim Morrison earlier today at the home of their dear friend Elvis who was outside practicing guitar with Jimi Hendrix.

[Blue Blooded-05]

This is kind of a dumb story but I love it...

Man who vowed on 9/11/01 to not shave until we caught Bin Laden keeps his word.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/02/teacher-shaves-time-sept-11-2001/

[Kahns Krazy]

I wish that people would NOT go into the streets and celebrate this. It makes us look like a third world country dancing in their streets over the "death to America." .

Wholeheartedly agree. I've cringed every time I've seen people chanting "USA! USA!" today.

I really don't understand the "Justice has been served" part. Since when does the American brand of justice include the president ordering an assisination?

[BBC 08]

Wholeheartedly agree. I've cringed every time I've seen people chanting "USA! USA!" today.

I really don't understand the "Justice has been served" part. Since when does the American brand of justice include the president ordering an assisination?

Here is a good little article on the policy of assissinations: http://articles.cnn.com/2002-11-04/justice/us.assassination.policy_1_assassination-prohibition-cia-lawyers?_s=PM:LAW

[DC Muskie]

I was in the old Patriots stadium watching the US clinch a spot in the 2002 World Cup when President Bush came on the jumbo tron to tell us we have begun bombing Afghanistan. There was an eery silence for a few moments, then an eruption of cheers.

Personally I hate the entire "USA! USA!" chant. But we are all in this together and I liked the fact there were people out celebrating this accomplishment. This is a tremendous closure for a very horrible incident in our history.

A coward died while trying to be apprehended. To me, that's justice that's been a long time coming.

[bobbiemcgee]

A coward died while trying to be apprehended. To me, that's justice that's been a long time coming.

He shoulda had more women there to hide behind. Bad Planning.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Wholeheartedly agree. I've cringed every time I've seen people chanting "USA! USA!" today.

I really don't understand the "Justice has been served" part. Since when does the American brand of justice include the president ordering an assisination?



KK,

Amen, Bro!

[Blue Blooded-05]

... And then there's TMZ, the media outlet that defines journalistic integrity, who is asking the critical question seemingly everyone wants to know about the Bin Laden assassination: Did Barack and Michelle Obama have victory sex last night?

Oh, don't worry... I'm serious...
http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/02/president-barack-obama-osama-bin-laden-sex-michelle-obama/

[Snipe]

Gotta love the double tap and the dump at sea! That Navy seal has more nuts than this whole board combined!!!
And Snipe I usually find you somewhat amusing and interesting the way I used to find my old uncle who fought in WWII somewhat amusing and interesting but today you just make me feel kinda sad. I love to question authority too but damn dude, it may be time for you to talk to someone.

I may indeed need professional help. I could be wrong for sure. Being a skeptic comes naturally to me.

We killed him and immediately dumped the body into the sea. I don't know if anyone in the press was allowed to see the body. I think the whole thing was handled by the government. I find that to be extraordinary.

As I said before, imagine a world where George W. Bush would have done the exact same thing. I think that plenty more people would have had reservations. I was looking forward to the proof, but the body is already gone apparently. That was quick.

I firmly believed that he was already dead. I am interested in the proof. I could well have been wrong this whole time (it wouldn't be the first time either). The way that this was done only encourages skepticism.

I am glad that he is dead and I am sorry for raining on the parade.

[Snipe]

Wholeheartedly agree. I've cringed every time I've seen people chanting "USA! USA!" today.

I really don't understand the "Justice has been served" part. Since when does the American brand of justice include the president ordering an assisination?

What happened to the anti-war left? We just went into a country (Pakistan) that has a nuclear arsenal, raided a compound and killed people and then left with a body and threw it into the sea.

People used to complain about "torture", and now they celebrate predator drones targeting homes and assassination raids in countries we are not formally at war with.

Where is the anti-war left? We are at war in Libya. It wasn't approved by Congress. How does that happen? We didn't have a UN mandate to fly into Pakistan and kill people. We didn't have a Congressional mandate. We didn't have Pakistan's permission.

If Obama was the anti-war candidate, I have to wonder what a pro-war candidate would look like.

We didn't "bring him to justice", we assassinated him. Might as well bring some justice to all those people down at Gitmo and solve that problem once and for all. And Obama could say he fulfilled his pledge of "closing down Gitmo" at the same time. I wonder if many people would even object.

[DC Muskie]

Just keep apologizing Snipe. That seems to give you some relief in going completely bonkers during this happy time.

[tjb]

What happened to the anti-war left? We just went into a country (Pakistan) that has a nuclear arsenal, raided a compound and killed people and then left with a body and threw it into the sea.

People used to complain about "torture", and now they celebrate predator drones targeting homes and assassination raids in countries we are not formally at war with.

Where is the anti-war left? We are at war in Libya. It wasn't approved by Congress. How does that happen? We didn't have a UN mandate to fly into Pakistan and kill people. We didn't have a Congressional mandate. We didn't have Pakistan's permission.

If Obama was the anti-war candidate, I have to wonder what a pro-war candidate would look like.

We didn't "bring him to justice", we assassinated him. Might as well bring some justice to all those people down at Gitmo and solve that problem once and for all. And Obama could say he fulfilled his pledge of "closing down Gitmo" at the same time. I wonder if many people would even object.
the seals went in to capture obl, not assassinate him. he didnt allow them to bring him into justice. he went for a gun, hid behind his 1 of 20 wives and got killed. i am not an obama fan but he got it right. clinton had MANY opportunities to get obl while he was in office and decided not to, and look what happened

[Kahns Krazy]

"Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace.”

-Vatican Statement on Bin Laden's death

I'm not the Vatican's number one fan, but this sums up my take on today well. It sickens me that events have led to a point at which the American people celebrate the death of anyone. (With the possible exception of Mike Brown, but only from natural causes). I do not like the fact that the POTUS has taken "credit" for authorizing the killing of an individual human.

I appreciate the factors that go into a decision like the one the president made. I am thankful that I will never in the course of my job decide to end another human's life.

I'm not anti-patriotic or anything, I just don't think the death of anyone ever is a thing to celebrate.

[DC Muskie]

I gotta say I got no problem with it. I had no desire to actually go down to the White House, but I sure don't hold it against people who went down to celebrate the end of this murderer.

I can't think of anytime when something like this ever happened. We as Americans, especially young Americans go out and celebrate things are more incredibly stupid then celebrating the death of an enemy.

As a country we were at war with this guy. We finally got to him. We celebrated like crazy after World War II and many, many, many more people died.

This individual person ordered the deaths of many innocent people. The president should take credit for having the guts to do this.

War sucks. We didn't start this, but we sure as hell will end it.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

It seemed to me that Obama took an awful lot of credit for it last night (I suppose anyone in the same situation would have done the same). I think it would have been a nice touch if they had flown President Bush into D.C., so that he could have at least been next to him (but obviously off the podium) for the announcement. Some short prepared remarks from President Bush, then President Obama could talk all he wanted. Would have been good for the country to see that at least on one issue, it doesn't matter what party you are.

Yeah, think Obama learned his lesson when he ceded the podium to Bill Clinton and left the room. Guy went on for a half hour.

Personally, I love the Obama response. His dependence on the teleprompter was serindipitous. Dude came off as some cold, ruthless cyborg announcing the dispatch of an ememy. I loved it.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Bush would never have come if he had been invited. Way to much like a real "mission accomplished" on the other guy's watch. It's not like Obama had a window of time to call Bush and set it up anyway. The word was out, the Pres did what he is there to do as CIC. I dont see the partisanship that you are claiming in the announcement.

If Osama had been caught/killed during the Bush presidency, would they have invited Clinton to give preliminary remarks? Not a chance, despite the fact that Clinton identified and targeted Bin Ladin and tried/failed to take him out directly.


Astonishing that this piece of garbage is spinnning Clinton as tough on terrorism.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Wholeheartedly agree. I've cringed every time I've seen people chanting "USA! USA!" today.

I really don't understand the "Justice has been served" part. Since when does the American brand of justice include the president ordering an assisination?

At least since the Phoenix program. And that brought the Church commission witchhunts that crippled the intelligence communtiy of human intelligence.Be careful what you wish for.

And of course assassination has been a part of the playbook forever. We just didn't have namby-pamby journalists writing about it.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

I gotta say I got no problem with it. I had no desire to actually go down to the White House, but I sure don't hold it against people who went down to celebrate the end of this murderer.

I can't think of anytime when something like this ever happened. We as Americans, especially young Americans go out and celebrate things are more incredibly stupid then celebrating the death of an enemy.

As a country we were at war with this guy. We finally got to him. We celebrated like crazy after World War II and many, many, many more people died.

This individual person ordered the deaths of many innocent people. The president should take credit for having the guts to do this.

War sucks. We didn't start this, but we sure as hell will end it.

Thank you for countering KK's b.s. Like we didn't celebrate the death of Hitler. Ridiculous.

[madness31]

well said Kahns.

I have no problem with the mission and the way it was carried out but the celebrations were disturbing. These celebrations also have to add fuel to the fire of terrorists and the impressionable.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

well said Kahns.

I have no problem with the mission and the way it was carried out but the celebrations were disturbing. These celebrations also have to add fuel to the fire of terrorists and the impressionable.

no, total myth that we should curb our behavior for these terrorists. Shoud we respect Islam? Of course. But we know what we got for cowtowing after the Cole and two embassies were bombed. But, hey, thanks for showing us we still have appeasing cowards!

[DC Muskie]

These celebrations also have to add fuel to the fire of terrorists and the impressionable.

Yup because before terrorists just hated us. Now that they see us celebrating, now they really, really hate us.

[MADXSTER]

I think both Kahns and DC were both correct. Personally I'm with Kahns but at the same time I will find no fault in others for celebrating. This is an individual thing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yup because before terrorists just hated us. Now that they see us celebrating, now they really, really hate us.

and we really, really hate them, so nothing has changed. We still want to kill all of 'em.

[Emp]

no, total myth that we should curb our behavior for these terrorists. Shoud we respect Islam? Of course. But we know what we got for cowtowing after the Cole and two embassies were bombed. But, hey, thanks for showing us we still have appeasing cowards!

Now that's the Fred I used to know. Welcome back!

When folks in Libya celebrated the return of the Lockerbie mastermind from Scotland, it was arguably just a few individuals, but it certainly inflamed passions among many who are not categorically anti arab or anti islamist (me, for example), and just fed the fires of the fringe elements.

The same holds for the asshats who disrupt military funerals to protest gays in the military (this in the name of Christian religion.)

Or burn Quuran's in the name of Jesus Christ. Public behaviors and demonstrations have consequences, some unintended. It's not appeasement to discuss them.

[madness31]

I never suggested appeasing the terrorists, just made an observation that celebrating death could have a negative impact. As for being a coward, I served my time in the military and I'd guess that is more than you can say Fred. A good friend suffered a serious injury in these unnecessary wars and a former X classmate lost his life. I will not celebrate this death or any other. I'm glad the world doesn't need to worry about this guy causing further destruction but there will be plenty more to take his place.

[DC Muskie]

Just to be an asshole, but terrorists should pause before effing with us, because as we have shown we have no problem blowing your face off while you watch Samford and Son, wrap you up and dump your ass off the Stugots into the bottom of the ocean and still make it back to Vesuvio for dinner.

Mike Bobinski would agree...The Navy Seals are killin' it.

[DC Muskie]

Public behaviors and demonstrations have consequences, some unintended. It's not appeasement to discuss them.


I never suggested appeasing the terrorists, just made an observation that celebrating death could have a negative impact.

You guys understand that the suggestion that celebrating the death of this monster is actually worse than killing him, is really silly.

Idiots who loved this guy are going to be pissed. No matter what. Obviously people here were going to celebrate. But we shouldn't tone it down, because we might not like what they may do to retaliate. Its not like we are having parades in the streets.

We hunted this guy down. We killed him. Throw back from scotch, and hope this means we can start bringing our guys and gals home.

[boozehound]

Just to be an asshole, but terrorists should pause before effing with us, because as we have shown we have no problem blowing your face off while you watch Samford and Son, wrap you up and dump your ass off the Stugots into the bottom of the ocean and still make it back to Vesuvio for dinner.

Mike Bobinski would agree...The Navy Seals are killin' it.

This is closer to my way of thinking. I also think we need to be harder on countries that harbor terrorists. Look at Pakistan. There is no way that Pakistan didn't know that Osama Bin Laden was hiding out in a compound 35 miles from their capital city. I'm not saying that we should go to war with Pakistan, but we should cease every penny of aid that we give them, at least until we can conduct an investigation in to their degree of culpability in harboring Bin Laden.

Think of how much money we could save if we just stopped giving away money to countries that actively work against our global interests. Why should we give Pakistan anything ever again?

[DC Muskie]

Pakistan has got to have some skidmarks in their drawers right about now.

When Congressmen from Kansas are wanting answers, you can bet your ass everyone over here wants some explanations.

[kmcrawfo]

This is closer to my way of thinking. I also think we need to be harder on countries that harbor terrorists. Look at Pakistan. There is no way that Pakistan didn't know that Osama Bin Laden was hiding out in a compound 35 miles from their capital city. I'm not saying that we should go to war with Pakistan, but we should cease every penny of aid that we give them, at least until we can conduct an investigation in to their degree of culpability in harboring Bin Laden.

Think of how much money we could save if we just stopped giving away money to countries that actively work against our global interests. Why should we give Pakistan anything ever again?

Absolutely right! All aid should be cut off from Pakistan, period. There is no way one, if not several, high government officials did not at least know that a high-level Al-Queda terrorist was at that compound.

Also, I am dissapointed at people who are trying to in any way spin/criticize President Obama with this operation. This should be viewed in a few ways:

1. President Bush should be given accolades and credit for his role in initiating this campaign, the intelligence, and other infrastructure for the Afghan/Iraqi campaigns.

2. President Obama should be given accolades and credit for his role in seeing through the campaigns, intelligence, and infrastructure that led to the eventual death of the most hated enemy of our Country.

3. The men and women who died and/or served in the Armed Forces during these 10-years should be given their due accolades and credit.

This is one of the moments in American History where we should be reflecting on the lives lost, sacrifices given, and redemption/justice obtained. Do not let yourself be reduced to political rhetoric and conspiracy theories.

Bless and praise our leadership, military, and country at this moment for this historic accomplish.

There will be plenty of time and things to criticize President Bush and President Obama for in the near future, but this should not be one of this things. This was clearly a success across both administrations and our country should be proud.

Finally, People should celebrate as they see fit this moment. The death of this despot is truly historic as he was the founder and leader of America's most vigilant enemy of the world today, Al Queda. Cheers and celebration are absolutely appropriate and should not be criticized in any way. Those who have served in the military have no right, or reason, to criticize those who have not served as I have seen in this thread.

Those who have served should be commended for there duty, sacrifices, and commitment; however, it in no way takes away or demeans someone who has not served in military action. All people deserve respect and such comments as, "I can tell you obviously did not serve," are childish and serve no genuine purpose.

But as DC Muskie said this should send a message:

"Don't efff with us," you terrorist scum.

Even your highest leaders are not safe from the reaches of our great nation. As President Bush stated 10 years ago, "Our country will not rest until those responsible are brought to justice for this dispicable act." We did not. President Bush started it, President Obama continued it. God Bless both.

Bin Laden is dead. More terrorist scum await, but the message is clear.

"The USA will find you and you will be brought down"

[Snipe]

After reading up on what happened it is hard to imagine that this is a hoax. I believe we got Bin Laden. Most conspiracy theories fail just because the sheer number of people involved. One of the reason's Bin Laden himself succeeded on 9/11 was that he had a small tight nit group that was dedicated. One of the reasons that I dismissed the 9/11 truther conspiracies out of hand is the number of people that would have had to buy in for our government to actually do something like that. I doubt our government could do it even if they wanted too.

I have half seriously joked in the past that we should fake Osama's death and declare him dead, declare victory and then leave. Had we tried to do something like that, I would imagine it would be located in a remote part of Pakistan that would be hard and dangerous for the press to access. It surely wouldn't have been in the middle of a city and right next to the Pakistani "West Point".

Also another thing is that it would be tough to make a lot of this stuff up. It is quite an elaborate story and it involves many layers of government and many people to coordinate their efforts. And if we were going to do this why would we frame Pakistan and put them in this position? It is hard to believe now that they didn't know about him. We were giving them billions of dollars a year for them to help us search, and all the while he was tucked away right next to their military and close to a couple hospitals? If this wasn't true I think we would see a lot of push back from Pakistan. I just can't see us making this up.

Am I entirely sure? No. What if the DNA tests didn't come back positive? There is no evidence we actually had OBL's actual DNA anyway, but we did get some of his many relatives (his dad had over 50 children, some of whom live in the US.) And what if the DNA came back negative? We would be under some pressure to fudge that after the fact. We had just invaded a soverign nation with our armed forces, stormed a compound and killed people (including women). If the DNA didn't come back just right we would face some pressure to fudge it and dump the body.

And the point I made before about Bush still stands. If George Bush had caught and killed Osama and then quickly disposed of the body without any press looking on or any independent verification I would not be surprised if half the nation didn't buy the story. I am sure our press would have been more skeptical than they have been. The dumping of the body is troubling, but I think the rest of the story seems to hold up. I believe it.

The questions it raises toward Pakistan and Afghanistan are interesting. Some of the people in power in Pakistan had to know they had him. It is hard for me to think otherwise. I can't see continuing to give them billions in aid anymore. I also think now is the time to get out of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq and wish them all good luck. Now more than ever we should declare victory and leave. This moment gives us that chance. We have nothing left to win there and the people don't even like us.

I give full credit to Obama and our military for pulling this off. I apologize to DC Muskie, because he likes it when I apologize.

I was convinced the man was dead for years. It appears I was wrong about that. I will pay attention to any conspiracy theories to see if any of them seem workable or feasible, but I can't imagine at this point that this wasn't an honest operation. I am glad that he is dead. That is great for America.

I think it is a tragedy that we immediately dumped the body. Conspiracy theories will live on for ages because of that. We could have done an autopsy and have independent coroners. We knew about his medical problems. We knew he was 6 foot 4 or whatever he was. Remember "Trust, but verify"? We could have solved a lot of this stuff just with the body. We could have documented that this person had kidney failure and other medical aspects that we knew. We could have measured his frame to make sure of his height. I think they made the wrong call in disposing of the body quickly, unless of course they knew they had to get rid of the evidence because of some flaws. I believe them though. If I had to quantify that I would say 95% confidence or higher.

We still have no pictures or no proof other than the government. That is troubling. I think that we could have done this better.

I was not a "birther". I never believed that conspiracy. One thing that got me though was how easily it was dispelled once he gave out his full birth certificate. I think he should have done that sooner. Sometimes by their actions I think this administration seems to invite controversy. The way they handled his body invites controversy. One of the first things I said on this thread is that I was interested in the forensics and wanted to see the evidence of it because I was skeptical. The next thing you know they dumped the body. That didn't give me confidence. After reading more on the material parts of the operation I have become convinced. I just wish we hadn't dumped the body.

If any conspiracy theorists want to give it a go, I would be happy to debate.

[Kahns Krazy]

Just to be an asshole, but terrorists should pause before effing with us, because as we have shown we have no problem blowing your face off while you watch Samford and Son, wrap you up and dump your ass off the Stugots into the bottom of the ocean and still make it back to Vesuvio for dinner.

Mike Bobinski would agree...The Navy Seals are killin' it.

DC, you are without a doubt the biggest idiot on this board. It's Sanford, you moron.

I am fine with the message that a bullet over the eye sends. We mean business.

[chico]

Well said, kmc. This is something beyond the political bs we usually hear. I give Obama credit for making the difficult decision to take the action he did, instead of simply bombing the place. No matter when some actually think he died, the fact now is that this despicable human is unequivocally dead. And that should be celebrated, whether it is done in the quiet of your home or yelling outside the White House.


DC, you are without a doubt the biggest idiot on this board. It's Sanford, you moron.

I am fine with the message that a bullet over the eye sends. We mean business.

And if you, sir, were a real Sanford & Son fan you'd know not to call DC an idiot but rather a big dummy.

[boozehound]

Pakistan has got to have some skidmarks in their drawers right about now.

When Congressmen from Kansas are wanting answers, you can bet your ass everyone over here wants some explanations.

Seriously, how F'd up is it that we have an out of control national debt but we keep funneling money into these festering craphole countries that repay us by harboring terrorists? Enough is enough.

Great posts by kmc and Snipe also.

We should get the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan now, and never give them another penny ever again.

If you want to harbor terrorists that is your decision, but we sure as shit aren't going to pay you to do it.

[golfitup]

Enough is enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCS4rxX5q7M

[XUglow]

Snipe, a few things...
1) They did measure him to get his height.
2) They did do DNA analysis.
3) They didn't kill his wife. They have her. She identified him.
4) Al Queda will announce his death. They can't make him a martyr otherwise.

[Snipe]

Snipe, a few things...
1) They did measure him to get his height.
2) They did do DNA analysis.
3) They didn't kill his wife. They have her. She identified him.
4) Al Queda will announce his death. They can't make him a martyr otherwise.

1) I never said the government didn't measure him for his height.

2) I never said the government didn't do DNA analysis. In fact I said they did do DNA analysis. That is what they told us after all. How could anyone dispute that is what they told us? I can back that up with quotes if you would like.

3) I don't know what happened to his wife, since he had multiple wives I am not sure what we are talking about anyway. Perhaps I am wrong from what I have said before, but I think one of his wives was shot as a human shield. I only relay information on this, as I wasn't there. I could be wrong in repeating what the press was saying. I am only going on their information.

4) I have no idea what Al Queda will do now.

Thanks!

[X-band '01]

I don't really know if Pakistan knew that bin Laden was within 50 miles of the capital city, but if it's true that they "knew nothing" ala Sgt. Schultz, I'd be very concerned if a nation like that had access to nukes.

And if they did know, let's not forget the quote from Bush that "we will make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them". That in a nutshell should tell us that we should not be celebrating too loudly.

[xubrew]

"Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace.”

-Vatican Statement on Bin Laden's death

In a quote that is inspired by Mark Twain. We're not celebrating the death of Bin Laden. We're celebrating the obituary.

[DC Muskie]

DC, you are without a doubt the biggest idiot on this board. It's Sanford, you moron.

Damn it I knew I had it wrong. Samford and Son JHC.

[Snipe]

Seriously, how F'd up is it that we have an out of control national debt but we keep funneling money into these festering craphole countries that repay us by harboring terrorists? Enough is enough.

Great posts by kmc and Snipe also.

We should get the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan now, and never give them another penny ever again.

If you want to harbor terrorists that is your decision, but we sure as shit aren't going to pay you to do it.

Thank you and I agree. The time to leave is now. I have been saying it for some time: "Declare Victory". Obama should tell us that we have won, and it is time to end the game.

[xu95]

You guys understand that the suggestion that celebrating the death of this monster is actually worse than killing him, is really silly.

Idiots who loved this guy are going to be pissed. No matter what. Obviously people here were going to celebrate. But we shouldn't tone it down, because we might not like what they may do to retaliate. Its not like we are having parades in the streets.

We hunted this guy down. We killed him. Throw back from scotch, and hope this means we can start bringing our guys and gals home.

Now if the Dayton basketball team had killed Osama Bin Laden right after winning the NIT....

xu95

[XULucho27]

I agree, for the most part, that now is the time to withdraw from that region of the world, but, in doing so, the U.S. has to be careful not to completely cut ties with the Pakistani government. The last thing we need is ANOTHER predominantly Muslim nation pissed off at us for no good reason, much less one that actually has a nuclear weapons and seemingly harbors terrorism. I think it would behoove our government to tread very carefully in regards to cutting aid or ties with Pakistan. Pakistan is (supposedly) an ally right now in the war on terror, no need to make another enemy on that front.

[Snipe]

They are a friend to us that just harbored Bin Laden. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

If they need money I wouldn't mind buying the nukes. They won't do that because India has nukes. The only money that should go to them is to buy their entire nuclear stock and none else. Anything else is down the drain. We get blackmailed by nuclear weapons all the time, North Korea comes to mind. At some point we have to stop. We don't have the money anyway.

Screw them, we need to get out of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq now. Declare victory and leave.

[XULucho27]

They are a friend to us that just harbored Bin Laden. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

If they need money I wouldn't mind buying the nukes. They won't do that because India has nukes. The only money that should go to them is to buy their entire nuclear stock and none else. Anything else is down the drain. We get blackmailed by nuclear weapons all the time, North Korea comes to mind. At some point we have to stop. We don't have the money anyway.

Screw them, we need to get out of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq now. Declare victory and leave.

Which is why it's important to leave in the right manner. I'm all for not giving them another cent, but, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to cut all ties, leave, and give them the finger for good measure. I think we can remove our forces from this area and still maintain a good relationship with Pakistan at the same time. It's all about HOW you leave.

I agree they should say, "we got our man, we're done, we're out of here." But I think a "thanks for the help" (or lack thereof) and a "let's still be friends" would go a long way (obviously phrased a little more eloquently than that) while simultaneously and very slowly withdrawing aid from the region. No need to condemn them or take them to task on an international stage (even if they are harboring terrorists). We shouldn't be blackmailed by the bomb but no sense in pissing someone off who has one either when it's not completely necessary. On the other hand we can't afford to look like giant p****es either and cutting aid immediately would send a stern message. It's a precarious situation to say the least.

That's my opinion on the matter. I'm sure actual foreign policy is a bit more difficult than that however.

[bobbiemcgee]

As long as we need Pakistan's supply routes, I don't see the aid going away.

[muckem muckem]

Snipe, I may be able to give you confirmation of the Seal Team 6 kill sometime in the future. a family friend is on that Team. He is a highschool friend of my eldest daughter, joined the Navy right out of school nine years ago, and told me his goal was to be a Seal. At 5'6" and 145# I wished him luck. I've seen him once or twice a year and watched him grow into a 5' 8" 210# man. He is the salt of the earth. The last time I saw him was two years ago; he had a huge beard and said he was walking the streets of Iraq in local garb with a 45 tucked in his back looking for signs of bad guys that they would then pay a visit to in the middle of the night. He would tell me general things and that he wouldn't be able to into detail until long after he was out.

He told he was trying out for Seal Team 6 and what that meant. They are directly under the orders of the President. Never do anything that the Prez isn't aware of.

He is back in the States due to just having their first child, so I know he wasn't on this mission. His wife said he's pissed he missed it.

God bless the USA and all the fine people that are willing to defend us.

[GoMuskies]

Pakistan's government is not pleased with us, though they are likely just trying to save some face with their citizens: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703922804576301124180651068.html?m od=WSJ_Home_largeHeadline

[madness31]

I don't believe anyone has suggested curbing behavior for the terrorists. Several have posted that it seems inappropriate to celebrate someone's death. Nothing wrong with being glad he is gone as I'm sure all of us are but celebrating in the streets is on a different level. No doubt people should have the right to do it but I find it disappointing that our culture is so pro violence.

The statement about the celebrations possibly inflaming the terroists is just an observation nothing more. I've stated that the US never should have been concerned with the terrorists to begin with and that spending a trillion dollars does the US more harm than anything the terrorists could do. That is not because I value money more than life but because debt will at best put the country at the mercy of our creditors and at worst, lead to depression and famine for millions of Americans. That outcome is more severe than anything the terrorists will ever do directly. Far less could have been spend increasing security at home with more effective results. There will always be terrorists regardless of what we do. Whether war with "terrorism" increases or decreases the number of terrorists is unknown. You never know what the effect of collater damage is or the impact of crumbling economies caused by war destruction. There is also the spin given by those recruiting the impressionable. Maybe we kill them faster than new recruits join, maybe not and maybe short-term impact is less than the long-term impact.

Using intelligence to track down terrorist networks seems far more effective and much more economical. Fewer innocent lives lost too.

I agree with pulling troops and would have agreed at any point during the campaign. For those having that view you should be aware that once the US leaves Iraq, Iran will directly or indirectly influence the direction of that country. Iraq will either cooperate with Iran or Iran will force cooperation. This was the biggest problem with starting that war. Iraq balanced Iran's power in the region, now Iran is the lone big dog. I still say leave because the US can't afford to police the world but it will have consequences.

[pizza delivery]

Let Iraq and Iran fight it out. With our help, and 90% of the world's help, we'll kick their ass.

[GoMuskies]

Turns out that we have all been duped. Osama is still alive.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704740604576301113236554064.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

[Snipe]

They should have kept the body. Of course people won't believe us. Should have seen that coming.

[boozehound]

Pakistan's government is not pleased with us, though they are likely just trying to save some face with their citizens: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703922804576301124180651068.html?m od=WSJ_Home_largeHeadline

What a joke those guys are. That article made me laugh my ball off. They are upset we didn't ask their permission first?

Here are the 2 options:

1. They have been knowingly harboring Bin Laden, the world's most wanted terrorist. Probably not a good idea for us to ask for their permission to kill him.

2. They are so astoundingly stupid that Bin Laden has been living in a walled compound in a suburb of their capital city for several years and they don't know about it. This is hard to believe, but let's assume it is true for a moment. Would you feel comfortable telling those keystone cops about the raid?

So the 2 options are that they were knowingly harboring him, or that they are almost cartoonishly stupid. Either way I don't want them knowing about the operation.

They are pretty much going to look either (1) Evil or (2) Stupid no matter what the outcome. Imagine if they had found Osama Bin Laden living in a McMansion in Baltimore. How stupid would the US look? That is how stupid Pakistan looks right now. Unless they knew he was there, which is my best guess anyways.

[GoMuskies]

They should have kept the body. Of course people won't believe us. Should have seen that coming.

I think we should invite these guys to join bin Laden at the bottom of the ocean if they want to verify our claims.

[boozehound]

Let Iraq and Iran fight it out. With our help, and 90% of the world's help, we'll kick their ass.

We should have let them do that when Hussein was still in power. The best thing that Saddam did was serve as an outlet for Iran's insanity and hostility.

[GoMuskies]

Slave Rashard Mendenhall, who is owned by the Rooney family, is not that pleased by bin Laden's (apparent) death. After all, we really don't know what went down on 9/11, right?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6471433

[XULucho27]

Slave Rashard Mendenhall, who is owned by the Rooney family, is not that pleased by bin Laden's (apparent) death. After all, we really don't know what went down on 9/11, right?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6471433

Don't rush to judgment. We've only heard one side of the story. :rolleyes:

Not smart Rashard.

[Snipe]

Slave Rashard Mendenhall, who is owned by the Rooney family, is not that pleased by bin Laden's (apparent) death. After all, we really don't know what went down on 9/11, right?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6471433

Guy got a 7 million dollar signing bonus. I wish that I could be a slave too.

I wouldn't mind deporting him to the third world so he can know what it is like to be free.

[boozehound]

Slave Rashard Mendenhall, who is owned by the Rooney family, is not that pleased by bin Laden's (apparent) death. After all, we really don't know what went down on 9/11, right?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6471433

Twitter might be the worst thing to ever happen to dumb celebrities and athletes. It gives them a forum to show the world how dumb they are, without their agents being able to act as a filter. What's the over/under on how long it is before someone makes this doucher apologize for his comments.

[surfxu]

There's absolutely no way this could be a hoax. All obl would have to do would be to release one of his timely videos or taped messages saying he was still alive with the context of a specific current event (other than his death) and it would all unravel. "Hello infidels, this is osama. I see that tornados have killed 300+ non-believers in the south this past week. Well that is due to my new weather machine. Unless you get out of the middle east then I will unleash my weather machine on New York City. Now excuse me, I have a dinner date. Hitler is at the door and I haven't even done my hair yet."

[xeus]

Avenging the deaths of the 343 couldn't taste sweeter


I think more than 343 people died on 9/11.



There is a crowd gathering at Ground Zero.

Our apartment is 2 blocks south of the WTC site. I did not go Sunday night but saw the action Monday morning. Mostly tourists.



I hope they drew penises and put makeup on his body, fratboy style.


I hope not.

[X-band '01]

I'm pretty sure Thor was talking about the total number of firefighters killed in his total.

[GoMuskies]

I'm pretty sure Thor was talking about the total number of firefighters killed in his total.

That's pretty weak.

[MADXSTER]

I work with a guy who is from Pakistan.

He says that the people there are very upset with the President and the General in charge of the armed forces for claiming they knew nothing about the attack.

4 helicopters flew an hour deep inside the border, flew around the capital, landed within 30 miles from their 'Annapolis', had a 40 min ground fight, blew up a helicopter, flew around the capital again, another hour to get outside the border and........no one knew.

He says the people he is chatting with are not upset obout OBL being killed. They are upset that their commanders and President are claiming ignorance on the subject.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Can someone answer a question for me? I don't know if this is true or not, but I was just channel surfing and caught the first 10 minutes of the Sean Hannity show. He was actually very complimentary of President Obama's decision making on this one. At any rate, he was interviewing Donald Rumsfeld, who again, was very complimentary of the administration and said he thought they handled everything quite well. He agreed with dumping the body at sea. He also said he couldn't really make a call on releasing the photos without seeing them first.

One statement Hannity made during the interview was that our armed forces had a 40 minute burial ceremony for Bin Laden at sea. I guess I have two questions:

1) Is that really true? and
2) Why in the hell did our armed forces spend 40 minutes for a burial service for this guy?

I don't get it.....

[DC Muskie]

1) Is that really true? and
2) Why in the hell did our armed forces spend 40 minutes for a burial service for this guy?

I don't get it.....

I'm not sure if it's true. But if so, we did it because we are the United States of America and at the end of the day, we are people with a sense of dignity.

[STL_XUfan]

1) Is that really true? and
2) Why in the hell did our armed forces spend 40 minutes for a burial service for this guy?

I don't get it.....

I am sure it has something to do with the requirements of an Islamic burial. It was mentioned that the body had to be washed as part of the service, so the time to clean the body might have been included. I doubt they spent 40 minutes giving a eulogy and talking about the good ole times when they use to play hide and seek.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm not sure if it's true. But if so, we did it because we are the United States of America and at the end of the day, we are people with a sense of dignity.


Hmmm....I guess. If anyone spoke at this "burial service," it would be interesting to know what was said. Usually "burial services" honor the dead....I can't fathom that occurred. I appreciate what you are saying about dignity, but still.....a forty minute service to bury Bin Laden? Just seems off to me.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Islamic burials are not supposed to be at sea from what I understand. I don't know the exact reasoning for burying him at sea (I'm sure there is one though). Maybe to avoid them making his burial site a shrine or something.

[spazzrico]

Islamic burials are not supposed to be at sea from what I understand. I don't know the exact reasoning for burying him at sea (I'm sure there is one though). Maybe to avoid them making his burial site a shrine or something.

That, and they are claiming that no country would accept the body. Islamic clerics seem to be saying that a sea burial is only appropriate if the death occurred at sea without possibility of burial on land. Since OBL was killed on land, there is going to be some consternation over this I'm sure, but from my perspective it was a perfectly acceptable solution to a difficult scenario.

[Kahns Krazy]

After reading up on what happened it is hard to imagine that this is a hoax. I believe we got Bin Laden. Most conspiracy theories fail just because the sheer number of people involved. One of the reason's Bin Laden himself succeeded on 9/11 was that he had a small tight nit group that was dedicated. One of the reasons that I dismissed the 9/11 truther conspiracies out of hand is the number of people that would have had to buy in for our government to actually do something like that. I doubt our government could do it even if they wanted too.

I have half seriously joked in the past that we should fake Osama's death and declare him dead, declare victory and then leave. Had we tried to do something like that, I would imagine it would be located in a remote part of Pakistan that would be hard and dangerous for the press to access. It surely wouldn't have been in the middle of a city and right next to the Pakistani "West Point".

Also another thing is that it would be tough to make a lot of this stuff up. It is quite an elaborate story and it involves many layers of government and many people to coordinate their efforts. And if we were going to do this why would we frame Pakistan and put them in this position? It is hard to believe now that they didn't know about him. We were giving them billions of dollars a year for them to help us search, and all the while he was tucked away right next to their military and close to a couple hospitals? If this wasn't true I think we would see a lot of push back from Pakistan. I just can't see us making this up.

Am I entirely sure? No. What if the DNA tests didn't come back positive? There is no evidence we actually had OBL's actual DNA anyway, but we did get some of his many relatives (his dad had over 50 children, some of whom live in the US.) And what if the DNA came back negative? We would be under some pressure to fudge that after the fact. We had just invaded a soverign nation with our armed forces, stormed a compound and killed people (including women). If the DNA didn't come back just right we would face some pressure to fudge it and dump the body.

And the point I made before about Bush still stands. If George Bush had caught and killed Osama and then quickly disposed of the body without any press looking on or any independent verification I would not be surprised if half the nation didn't buy the story. I am sure our press would have been more skeptical than they have been. The dumping of the body is troubling, but I think the rest of the story seems to hold up. I believe it.

The questions it raises toward Pakistan and Afghanistan are interesting. Some of the people in power in Pakistan had to know they had him. It is hard for me to think otherwise. I can't see continuing to give them billions in aid anymore. I also think now is the time to get out of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq and wish them all good luck. Now more than ever we should declare victory and leave. This moment gives us that chance. We have nothing left to win there and the people don't even like us.

I give full credit to Obama and our military for pulling this off. I apologize to DC Muskie, because he likes it when I apologize.

I was convinced the man was dead for years. It appears I was wrong about that. I will pay attention to any conspiracy theories to see if any of them seem workable or feasible, but I can't imagine at this point that this wasn't an honest operation. I am glad that he is dead. That is great for America.

I think it is a tragedy that we immediately dumped the body. Conspiracy theories will live on for ages because of that. We could have done an autopsy and have independent coroners. We knew about his medical problems. We knew he was 6 foot 4 or whatever he was. Remember "Trust, but verify"? We could have solved a lot of this stuff just with the body. We could have documented that this person had kidney failure and other medical aspects that we knew. We could have measured his frame to make sure of his height. I think they made the wrong call in disposing of the body quickly, unless of course they knew they had to get rid of the evidence because of some flaws. I believe them though. If I had to quantify that I would say 95% confidence or higher.

We still have no pictures or no proof other than the government. That is troubling. I think that we could have done this better.

I was not a "birther". I never believed that conspiracy. One thing that got me though was how easily it was dispelled once he gave out his full birth certificate. I think he should have done that sooner. Sometimes by their actions I think this administration seems to invite controversy. The way they handled his body invites controversy. One of the first things I said on this thread is that I was interested in the forensics and wanted to see the evidence of it because I was skeptical. The next thing you know they dumped the body. That didn't give me confidence. After reading more on the material parts of the operation I have become convinced. I just wish we hadn't dumped the body.

If any conspiracy theorists want to give it a go, I would be happy to debate.

You know what would have saved a whole bunch of everyone's time? Posting this instead:


After further review, it would appear that I am a whackpod.

[XUglow]

The question was asked last night, "Does it bother you that OBL wasn't armed when he was shot?"

It would have if he called for a diversion of the planes when he realized the people in the WTC weren't armed.

[murray87]

Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:

[E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .

[GoMuskies]

Nancy didn't say killing him was no big deal. She said capturing him would be no big deal. Obviously a huge difference.

[Snipe]

You know what would have saved a whole bunch of everyone's time? Posting this instead:

That wouldn't have been nearly as much fun.

It isn't absurd to think that government don't tell the truth either. Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch come to mind. The White House has already changed their story on this.

The Slippery Story of the bin Laden Kill (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-slippery-story-of-the-bin-laden-kill/238261/)

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/OBL.jpg

Osama Bin Laden dead: White House backtracks on how bin Laden died (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491113/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-White-House-backtracks-on-how-bin-Laden-died.html)

White House changes Osama bin Laden account (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html)

First Osama was in a firefight and used his wife as a human shield. As the press secretary of the Nixon administration famously said "THAT STATEMENT IS NO LONGER OPERATIVE". Now it turns out that he was unarmed and he didn't use his wife as a shield, and she was not killed. Is this shocking? No. Governments lie and they all do it. Our government is probably better than most, but they all do it.

White House split over release of gruesome pictures of Bin Laden's mangled corpse (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382828/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-picture-White-House-split-release-corpse-photo.html#ixzz1LONTmWzY)

They will release the photo or photos soon. What they are doing with this debate is extending the domination of the news cycle for political gain. It is some impressive showmanship but nothing else. Anybody think we could actually kill Bin Laden, quickly dump the body at sea without the press or any independent observer and then never release a photo? Really?

As for dumping the body again, naturally many people are skeptical. I am convinced by the other facts and accounts around this mission, but dumping the body and getting rid of it quickly can only invite controversy. We haven't done this before (link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382922/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Will-White-House-release-video-burial-sea.html)):


The decision has exercised conspiracy theorists, who demanded to know why Bin Laden’s body was not preserved and displayed to prove the U.S. had actually killed him, while some clerics dubbed it a deliberate insult to Islam.

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The haste of the burial has been questioned, as the U.S. has not always observed the 24-hour rule for Muslim burials.

In 2003 the bodies of Saddam Hussein’s sons Uday and Qusay were embalmed and held for 11 days before they were released for burial.

Acting like people are crazy for questioning government is in itself insane. That is why people call for transparency all the time.

I pointed out earlier in this post (from the Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/More_than_half_of_Democrats_believed_Bush_knew.htm l?showall)):


More than half of Democrats, according to a neutral survey, said they believed Bush was complicit in the 9/11 terror attacks.

Many people have a natural distrust for government. My initial response was critical, cynical and questioning. Now that I have read more of it I believe it happened. My only fault is not having a blind allegiance to anything that our government says, which I don't think that they have earned.

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The question was asked last night, "Does it bother you that OBL wasn't armed when he was shot?"

It would have if he called for a diversion of the planes when he realized the people in the WTC weren't armed.

It doesn't bother me, but it should bother the same people who called George Bush a War Criminal with his illegal wars. I doubt we will hear much of them.

Cindy Sheehan had "absolute moral authority" according to the New York Times. She still is protesting the war, but now the media don't pay any attention to her. She is still a mother of a fallen soldier, so she should still have the "absolute moral authority" that the Times gave her. Incredibly, she is no long of use to the media.


Nancy didn't say killing him was no big deal. She said capturing him would be no big deal. Obviously a huge difference.

We were never going to capture him, we were in there to kill him and I am happy about that. The left has tied Obama's hands with Gitmo. We never want to take any more prisoners again. It is best that they get either killed by predator drones or killed on the battlefield. We can't afford to take anyone alive. We weren't about to take him alive ever in my opinion.

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We were never going to capture him, we were in there to kill him and I am happy about that. The left has tied Obama's hands with Gitmo. We never want to take any more prisoners again. It is best that they get either killed by predator drones or killed on the battlefield. We can't afford to take anyone alive. We weren't about to take him alive ever in my opinion.

Pelosi was obviously all over that even back in '06.

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One statement Hannity made during the interview was that our armed forces had a 40 minute burial ceremony for Bin Laden at sea. I guess I have two questions:

1) Is that really true? and
2) Why in the hell did our armed forces spend 40 minutes for a burial service for this guy?

I don't get it.....

You question has already been answered, it is true. I wonder why we did this of Osama and we didn't do it for other Muslims that we have captured and killed.

Dumping the body quickly will forever be a tragedy for conspiracy theories.

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Pelosi was obviously all over that even back in '06.

I get your point. Pelosi is a f-ing gas bag. But we weren't about to take that man alive and give him to Eric Holder for a potential civilian trial. As a lawyer I wonder what you think about Holder. I personally think he is a disgrace. He could have been replaced by now. That is the real disgrace. Obama should have realized his mistake.

Back to Osama though, we issued a kill order. He was never being brought in alive. He was unarmed in his bedroom. We killed him. I am fine with that. I don't him on the public dole anyway. I just want the rabid leftists to start calling Obama a War Criminal and decrying his illegal wars. And I want some media attention for that, just like Bush. Fair is fair! I don't see that happening.

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As a lawyer I wonder what you think about Holder.

I'm a corporate/commercial lawyer, not a real lawyer. So I don't have much in the way of a perspective on Holder.

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Somehow, I think you won't be satisfied even if proof of his recent death is provided. Just a guess.

I am satisfied. Your guess was wrong.