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D-West & PO-Z

09-12-2009, 06:45 PM

What a game, but as an Irish fan, Charlie kind of blew it. Couple of first downs and it was over. They had their chance and was in the position to win it all. Oh well.

For the record, Lou is crazy.

Ya no reason to throw down field there. Armando was running really well and you have to stick to the run and make Michigan use their time outs. Charlie got greedy and tried to end it on one play.

Xman95

09-12-2009, 06:46 PM

First, f*** off Xman. Second. Weis sucks. Third, nice officials. Fourth. F*** off

Where should I send your box of Kleenex?

Strange Brew

09-12-2009, 06:46 PM

Ya no reason to throw down field there. Armando was running really well and you have to stick to the run and make Michigan use their time outs. Charlie got greedy and tried to end it on one play.

Charlie = Gone.

Strange Brew

09-12-2009, 06:49 PM

Where should I send your box of Kleenex?

Maybe I was a bit too harsh. But what is your angle?

Xman95

09-12-2009, 06:51 PM

BandAid

09-12-2009, 06:58 PM

Xman95

09-12-2009, 07:02 PM

Maybe I was a bit too harsh. But what is your angle?

Trust me, I really didn't take any offense. In fact I actually kind of respected the response. Even if it's a team I don't like, I have respect for a fan that is emotional about his team. I hate the "they're not good, I don't care" attitude I so often see. But, when times are good, those same people are the greatest fans in the world.

As for my angle, I can't stand ND. I think I just get tired of how overrated they can be just because they are Notre Dame. This year, just because they should have a good team, stories were putting them in the National Championship hunt. And it's not just this year, it's something that has happened constantly over time and has turned me anti-ND. I realize the school and its fans have nothing to do with those perceptions, but I still don't like The Irish.

(FYI - Being a Yankees fan, I am in your shoes whenever the Yanks get bounced in the playoffs...or don't even make it. I get crap all the time. But I totally understand why people hate them and why they get so disgusted with the media's love affair with the pinstripes...especially when Boston is also involved.)

Xman95

09-12-2009, 07:07 PM

Now after one game Wies' ass is grass, Rich Rod has a new leash, and Forcier is the greatest thing since buttered toast.

The media will go nuts with this kid. However, after the way he played today, he probably deserves it. I didn't see him last week, but was very impressed with him today. Being a true freshman, playing in his second game, facing Notre Dame...those are some pretty big obstacles. But Forcier was very poised, executed very well, and showed himself to be a pretty good athlete. It was just one game, but that kid looked really, really good today.

Strange Brew

09-12-2009, 07:18 PM

Trust me, I really didn't take any offense. In fact I actually kind of respected the response. Even if it's a team I don't like, I have respect for a fan that is emotional about his team. I hate the "they're not good, I don't care" attitude I so often see. But, when times are good, those same people are the greatest fans in the world.

As for my angle, I can't stand ND. I think I just get tired of how overrated they can be just because they are Notre Dame. This year, just because they should have a good team, stories were putting them in the National Championship hunt. And it's not just this year, it's something that has happened constantly over time and has turned me anti-ND. I realize the school and its fans have nothing to do with those perceptions, but I still don't like The Irish.

(FYI - Being a Yankees fan, I am in your shoes whenever the Yanks get bounced in the playoffs...or don't even make it. I get crap all the time. But I totally understand why people hate them and why they get so disgusted with the media's love affair with the pinstripes...especially when Boston is also involved.)

I'm a huge ND fan and I whole-heartily agree with that ND is vastly overrated. I think they'll finish somewhere in the realm of 20. I honestly wish the talking heads would shut up about the Irish until they win a BIG game.

I also hate when the haters jump on them for losing a tought one when said hater knows that ND is overrated. :D

Xman95

09-12-2009, 07:29 PM

I'm a huge ND fan and I whole-heartily agree with that ND is vastly overrated. I think they'll finish somewhere in the realm of 20. I honestly wish the talking heads would shut up about the Irish until they win a BIG game.

I also hate when the haters jump on them for losing a tought one when said hater knows that ND is overrated. :D

Admittedly it's somewhat of an "I told you so" attitude as my hatred is probably more for the media when ND is involved. Like I said, I know the school and fans have nothing to do with the coverage (well, not counting the financial aspect of ND coverage) so my issue is more with the media that locks on the ND jock like a pitbull. But, unfortunately for ND, it takes an Irish loss to stick it in the asses of the talking heads.

Strange Brew

09-12-2009, 07:34 PM

Admittedly it's somewhat of an "I told you so" attitude as my hatred is probably more for the media when ND is involved. Like I said, I know the school and fans have nothing to do with the coverage (well, not counting the financial aspect of ND coverage) so my issue is more with the media that locks on the ND jock like a pitbull. But, unfortunately for ND, it takes an Irish loss to stick it in the asses of the talking heads.

Aw, it happens to many teams. OSU always gets the benefit of the doubt early. That said, they look pretty decent right now.

waggy

09-12-2009, 07:38 PM

I thought ND got screwed by the officials in the 1st quarter calling the TD back on review. I don't think it is indisputable that the receiver stepped out of bounds at the 22. I can understand an official on the field missing band-bang plays, but not an official in the booth that can't correctly apply the rule. I'm neither a ND or Michigan fan, but it was a fun game to watch.

xucub

09-12-2009, 07:42 PM

With every ND loss, UC fans should sweat just a little more.

An X Fan

09-12-2009, 08:08 PM

With every ND loss, UC fans should sweat just a little more.

My uncle just put his large house in South Bend on the market. I'm going to get him in touch with Brian Kelly's people. As an Irish fan I'd love to see BK in South Bend.

xudash

09-12-2009, 08:51 PM

xudash

09-12-2009, 08:53 PM

For you ND fans in the know - a serious question: is this year's version mostly stocked with juniors? I'm trying to remember where Weis stands in bringing his recruiting classes along and I presume he at least has upper classmen that constitute his recruits.

xudash

09-12-2009, 08:56 PM

p.s. Florida should be dropped to #8 on schedule alone. All these other teams willing to go toe to toe with real competition and those pussy's followed up last week's massive contest by taking on Troy, at home of course.

AND THE SEC DOESN'T LOOK ALL THAT GREAT SO FAR AS COMPARED TO ITS IMMEDIATE PRIOR SEASONS.

gladdenguy

09-12-2009, 10:44 PM

QueensbridgeMF

09-12-2009, 11:21 PM

(FYI - Being a Yankees fan, I am in your shoes whenever the Yanks get bounced in the playoffs...or don't even make it. I get crap all the time. But I totally understand why people hate them and why they get so disgusted with the media's love affair with the pinstripes...especially when Boston is also involved.)[/QUOTE]

Yankees suck, go Sox!

Fred Garvin

09-12-2009, 11:24 PM

Great game!!! And Michigan is coming back baby. This year will be a big turnaround. Give Rich one or two more years, no one will have the speed of the Wolverines in the Big 10.
Tate Forcier will hopefully keep this up. He was gutty today.
Hail to the Victors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so that's one or two more losses to the bucks. I knew sweater vest was good for something. As to Michigan, hail to the infractioners!

QueensbridgeMF

09-12-2009, 11:34 PM

gladdenguy

09-13-2009, 12:04 AM

[QUOTE=gladdenguy;141537]Give Rich one or two more years, no one will have the speed of the Wolverines in the Big 10.QUOTE]

aint saying much, he is trying to win NATIONAL games, not Small 10. I f he can do it at WVU he can do it at footballU.

One step at a time. But nationally get your punches in before Rich Rod starts reeling on the National level as well..

gladdenguy

09-13-2009, 12:06 AM

so that's one or two more losses to the bucks. I knew sweater vest was good for something. As to Michigan, hail to the infractioners!

I think the Ohio State Michigan game will be a good one this year. If you told me that last year I would have thought you were crazy. Oh, how having a qb and speed can change everything.

QueensbridgeMF

09-13-2009, 01:13 AM

[QUOTE=QueensbridgeMF;141548]

One step at a time. But nationally get your punches in before Rich Rod starts reeling on the National level as well..

Wasn't being sarcastic at all, just ragging on the slow Small10 and how RichRod will transend the league and bring the Maze/Blue back to power. But it is still a shit conference.

xavierj

09-13-2009, 07:13 AM

Man when does Tressel start to get some pressure? Ohio St. has not won a big game since the national championship against Miami like 8 or 9 years ago. As for the Big 10 they should be called the little 10. That conference is vastly overrated. And for college football as a whole, man is it watered down. You have about 3 pretty good teams and everyone else is mediocre to bad.

boozehound

09-13-2009, 07:51 AM

This game is proof winning cures all. Rich Rod was nearly a lame duck in Michigan with allegations, a terrible record last year, and two true freshman competing for starting QB. Meanwhile, it appeared Weis was turning things around and there was a hope and swagger in South Bend.

Now after one game Wies' ass is grass, Rich Rod has a new leash, and Forcier is the greatest thing since buttered toast.

You would have a very hard time finding people who would characterize Rodriguez as a "lame duck". Last year was his first year as coach. People expected it to go badly. It went much worse than expected. I really don't know that 'lame duck' is an appropriate term for a 2nd year coach .

Almost no one is taking the 'allegations' very seriously anyways, so I really don't think that is a big issue.

X-band '01

09-13-2009, 08:45 AM

As for the Big 10 they should be called the little 10. That conference is vastly overrated.

Doesn't the Big 10 have to be rated before they can be considered overrated? The national media LOVES to pile on the conference because of the inability of OSU, Michigan, and Penn State to win on a consistent basis outside of the conference.

But I will give Michigan this - they may very well be the only team to ever defeat St. Tebow in a bowl game.

Masterofreality

09-13-2009, 08:56 AM

That loss yesterday is all on Fat Charlie, stupid play calling near the goal line on their first drive costing them points, continuing through the game, and then stupid play calling when they could have run the clock down.

Where are all of the Not-re Dame defenders now who always were blaming Weis's problems early in his tenure on lousy recruiting by Willingham? Seems like those were Weis's best years when he was playing with Willingham's players. This is now Weis's 5th year, can't blame anything on Ty now. Every body in the program is Weis's guy. There is still a severe lack of speed on that team- especially on defense. Giving up 38 points to Michigan is just horriffic.

How many more years are left on Fat Charlie's contract? That nice 10 year extension that they gave him? Some cat as fat as Weis may ante up to pay him off, but it would have to be expensive. NBC, other than 30Rock and the Office, has proven itself to be terrible in choosing programming. Add their Not-re Dame contract to the bad choice list, but because of that unearned income, I guess the Domers could use that money to show Fat Charlie through the widened door.

Look. Not-re Dame used to be the the favorite team of every Catholic in America. However, when you are connected with Not-re Dame, and by that I mean alumni, subway alumni, and administration, and you project a continual attitude of arrogance of superiority- and then hire a guy like Weis who publically personifies that same arrogance- you should not be surprised by any backlash when your arrogance of superiority is unsubstantiated.

Juice

09-13-2009, 10:38 AM

Charlie has no one to blame but himself. His play calling was yesterday was shit. He came into the job yapping his big mouth and flashing his Super Bowl rings and has yet to back any of it up. He has his recruits in there now and can no longer blame Ty. Rodriguez won yesterday mostly with players he didn't recruit who are now playing in a completely different system.

As a ND fan I am now convinced they will never make it back to the top. They have had some of the best talent in the country come to that school the past several years and they still cannot win the games they should be winning.

ND is like OSU in the fact that ND deserves to be in BCS bowl games as much as OSU deserves to be in BCS championship games. Both teams get outclassed in the respective bowl games by their opponents. ND had to beat a Colt Brennan-less Hawaii team to break their winless streak in bowls.

boozehound

09-13-2009, 10:48 AM

Great game!!! And Michigan is coming back baby. This year will be a big turnaround. Give Rich one or two more years, no one will have the speed of the Wolverines in the Big 10.
Tate Forcier will hopefully keep this up. He was gutty today.
Hail to the Victors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't know that you were a Michigan fan Gladdenguy. Hail to the Victors!

I was critical of the Rodriguez hire at first, but it truly looks like he may bring Michigan back to the national stage in a big way.

Tate Forcier looked very good for a true freshman today as well.

I am excited for the season!

Xman95

09-13-2009, 03:45 PM

I was critical of the Rodriguez hire at first, but it truly looks like he may bring Michigan back to the national stage in a big way.

The key will be Michigan people giving Rodriguez time to install his system. They may wind up struggling as this season goes on, but he has to be allowed to have a couple seasons to bring in the talent/players that can fit into his system. Once he has had the time to bring in those players it will be time to judge his work. Personally, I think if he is given the time he will be just fine in Ann Arbor.

As for Tressel, he makes Marty Schottenheimer look like an insane gambler. If Jim was any more conservative he would be to the right of Rush Limbaugh. Tressel has been living off his Nat'l Championship. I have been very, very disappointed with his managing of a game.

Juice

09-13-2009, 04:02 PM

As for Tressel, he makes Marty Schottenheimer look like an insane gambler. If Jim was any more conservative he would be to the right of Rush Limbaugh. Tressel has been living off his Nat'l Championship. I have been very, very disappointed with his managing of a game.

Since that National Championship he has become the reincarnation of John Cooper.

Xman95

09-13-2009, 04:47 PM

Since that National Championship he has become the reincarnation of John Cooper.

Although Tressel can beat Michigan. That's why his job is safe...for now.

Xpectations

09-13-2009, 04:56 PM

It is a golden day in college football when Notre Dame and Ohio State lose on the same day.

Strange Brew

09-13-2009, 05:37 PM

It is a golden day in college football when Notre Dame and Ohio State lose on the same day.

Hater.......................

XURunner85

09-13-2009, 06:28 PM

The defense sucked they were not consistant, no way that QB should have done what he did yesterday to them. All I know is they better win next week against Mich St, otherwise the alums will be calling for Charlie's head (my dad being one of them alums).

wkrq59

09-13-2009, 07:42 PM

With every ND loss, UC fans should sweat just a little more.

Cub, I don't think Notre Dame is as attractive as all the Golden Domers make it out to be. First there is no conference. Second the tradition up there has worn a bit and is nowhere near what it once was. Third, Notre Dame is no longer the epitome of "Catholic athletics," as it once was trumpeted to be by the New York and Chicago media. Them days is gone forever as the sayin' goes.
Finally, Notre Dame would pass a flood of foul smelling yorgu if they realize what they would have to pay Brian Kelly to break his contract--what's that?--and head for South Bend. Notre Dame historically still does not offer the financial security one would expect from such a high-profile job. "It's always been the attitude that "Any coach should be glad to coach at Notre Dame." Yeah, sure, that crap went out 20 years ago, maybe longer. :D:D:D

XU 87

09-13-2009, 07:49 PM

I would be absolutely stunned if Kelley turned down the ND job, if offered.

D-West & PO-Z

09-13-2009, 10:27 PM

I would be absolutely stunned if Kelley turned down the ND job, if offered.

Ya, I agree.

XUglow

09-14-2009, 10:11 AM

I would be absolutely stunned if Urban Meyer turns down the ND job. (Oops. He already did.)

Lamont Sanford

09-14-2009, 10:35 AM

Speaking of stunners...Glow, your new pic is UNREAL! WOW!!!

Keep up the good work!

sweet16

09-14-2009, 10:36 AM

I would be absolutely stunned if Kelley turned down the ND job, if offered.

Neither one may get the chance..........there are rumblings in Cbus that BK should be the next coach at OSU. If Rich Rod. starts to get Michigan rolling and OSU loses to Michigan this year, there is going to be a tidal wave of support to make an immediate change in order to keep (seemingly) Michigan subordinate.

Xpectations

09-14-2009, 10:50 AM

Hater.......................

It's true. I am.

I remembering talking with Brian (aka "Pablo") about many dozens of topics, and Notre Dame football was the only topic where we fundamentally disagreed (he was a big fan).

Notre Dame and Ohio State football have become the Duke of basketball for me. I used to be a Buckeye fan and then later became a Hurricanes fan. I ultimately grew to despise OSU to the point of rooting for Michigan in the rivalry -- something I would have never predicted as a kid.

Michigan may become my new favorite team -- at least this year -- if they bounce the Bucks as well as the Irish.

Regarding Kelly leaving for OSU or ND if they were to open up ... I can't see him turning down either job.

gladdenguy

09-14-2009, 11:07 AM

It's true. I am.

I remembering talking with Brian (aka "Pablo") about many dozens of topics, and Notre Dame football was the only topic where we fundamentally disagreed (he was a big fan).

Notre Dame and Ohio State football have become the Duke of basketball for me. I used to be a Buckeye fan and then later became a Hurricanes fan. I ultimately grew to despise OSU to the point of rooting for Michigan in the rivalry -- something I would have never predicted as a kid.

Michigan may become my new favorite team -- at least this year -- if they bounce the Bucks as well as the Irish.

Regarding Kelly leaving for OSU or ND if they were to open up ... I can't see him turning down either job.

Alright Xpectations, you would be a great addition to the Michigan football Xavier basketball combination of favorite college teams in fb and bb. WE all know that I love them both, but I would rather see Xavier basketball be more successful than Michigan football. But hey, why can't they both be successful?

XU 87

09-14-2009, 12:37 PM

Neither one may get the chance..........there are rumblings in Cbus that BK should be the next coach at OSU. If Rich Rod. starts to get Michigan rolling and OSU loses to Michigan this year, there is going to be a tidal wave of support to make an immediate change in order to keep (seemingly) Michigan subordinate.

I would be even more stunned if Tressel was forced out. Other than winning a national championship, playing in the championship game two other times, winning a bunch of Big Ten titles, and beating Michigan over and over, he really hasn't done much.

XU 87

09-14-2009, 12:38 PM

Is it possible that both ND and Michigan have very good teams this year and that we saw a great game on Saturday between two very good teams?

xudash

09-14-2009, 01:11 PM

I would be even more stunned if Tressel was forced out. Other than winning a national championship, playing in the championship game two other times, winning a bunch of Big Ten titles, and beating Michigan over and over, he really hasn't done much.

What people may have forgotten is that he came out of the BCS game gate, winning his first 4 in a row, incluing the NC over a heavily favored Miami.

Hell broke lose when they went in FAVORED over Florida with a a Heisman Trophy winning QB and got out coached - I don't know how much faster Florida was than Ohio State, but it could not have been that much faster as the final score would have you believe. Talent, including speed, may not be as big an issue as the talking heads would lead you to believe. Even during the game Saturday night it was noted that OSU has more active NFL players than does USC. Southern Cal's vaunted O Line and schemes were shut down until the bitter end.

At this point, I dare say that Rich Rod might end up waking up the entire BigTen conference. The rage today is all this hyper-speed, Slick Willy, torqued out offense stuff (technical phrase). Woody Hayes is rolling in his grave as he ponders the Wildcat Offense.

Pablo's Brother

09-14-2009, 01:21 PM

It's true. I am.

I remembering talking with Brian (aka "Pablo") about many dozens of topics, and Notre Dame football was the only topic where we fundamentally disagreed (he was a big fan).

Notre Dame and Ohio State football have become the Duke of basketball for me. I used to be a Buckeye fan and then later became a Hurricanes fan. I ultimately grew to despise OSU to the point of rooting for Michigan in the rivalry -- something I would have never predicted as a kid.

Michigan may become my new favorite team -- at least this year -- if they bounce the Bucks as well as the Irish.

Regarding Kelly leaving for OSU or ND if they were to open up ... I can't see him turning down either job.

Brian loved Notre Dame and would get totally mad if they lost. I like ND, but do not let their (many) losses bother me or impact my day. He used to tell chicks "Notre Dame was my safety school." It also goes without saying he (and I) hate anything to do with OSU because of Beaknose. Do not call us "haters," were just purists.

xeus

09-14-2009, 01:34 PM

He used to tell chicks "Notre Dame was my safety school."

Now that's a great line.

pickledpigsfeet

09-14-2009, 02:46 PM

Now that's a great line.

You can get away with saying things like that when you're the "heir to the McCormick spice fortune", as he would say.

XUglow

09-14-2009, 02:59 PM

You can get away with saying things like that when you're the "heir to the McCormick spice fortune", as he would say.

I had a buddy at Cal that used to tell gals that his dad was one of the M's from 3M, and they fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I was really attracted to this blonde chick one time that was falling for his BS, and I said, "You do know that 3M stands for Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing, don't you?" To which she replied, "Which one is his father?" I am pretty sure that he closed the sale.

XU 87

09-14-2009, 04:09 PM

What people may have forgotten is that he came out of the BCS game gate, winning his first 4 in a row, incluing the NC over a heavily favored Miami.

Hell broke lose when they went in FAVORED over Florida with a a Heisman Trophy winning QB and got out coached - I don't know how much faster Florida was than Ohio State, but it could not have been that much faster as the final score would have you believe. Talent, including speed, may not be as big an issue as the talking heads would lead you to believe. Even during the game Saturday night it was noted that OSU has more active NFL players than does USC. Southern Cal's vaunted O Line and schemes were shut down until the bitter end.

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I don't get the "hell broke lose" part. OSU was one of two teams to make the championship game. Yes, they got their ass kicked, but it happens- ask Oklahoma and FSU (who beat Florida in the regular season and then got drilled by Florida in the bowl game). Or ask Florida (got drilled by Nebraska).

But do people in Columbus really want him fired because he lost the BCS games? Don't people realize that only one team wins the NC every year?

As for the USC game, I didn't see the entire game but like the ND/Michigan game, maybe it was two very good teams playing a close game. Someone has to lose.

But Tressel has made OSU into a top 5 program. I'm a little surprised that there would be any talk about forcing him out because fans are upset with him. If that's the case, then OSU fans, like many fans, have unreasonable expectations.

Stonebreaker

09-14-2009, 04:40 PM

I love to see ND haters. If any fans should know how tough ND has it with high academic standards...X fans should. The Irish don't even offer until they see grades from a kid, as opposed to Alabama..who offers everyone then cuts them down after they don't make it, or become academic casualties there.
Fire Weis after two games? Some people are nuts. That's like firing Mack after he goes 3-3.

XU 87

09-14-2009, 04:44 PM

If Weis ends up playing the Hawaiian Bowl (or a similar bowl) again, I would say we won't see him coaching ND next year.

xudash

09-14-2009, 05:01 PM

I don't get the "hell broke lose" part. OSU was one of two teams to make the championship game. Yes, they got their ass kicked, but it happens- ask Oklahoma and FSU (who beat Florida in the regular season and then got drilled by Florida in the bowl game). Or ask Florida (got drilled by Nebraska).

But do people in Columbus really want him fired because he lost the BCS games? Don't people realize that only one team wins the NC every year?

As for the USC game, I didn't see the entire game but like the ND/Michigan game, maybe it was two very good teams playing a close game. Someone has to lose.

But Tressel has made OSU into a top 5 program. I'm a little surprised that there would be any talk about forcing him out because fans are upset with him. If that's the case, then OSU fans, like many fans, have unreasonable expectations.

I didn't mean it for that game, specifically, but for the losing trend that started with that game.

FL was one of those things, who knows about the LSU game, so they then barely lose to Texas in last yr's bowl, and now a more than respectable yet losing effort against their old nemisis.

xudash

09-14-2009, 05:08 PM

I don't hate ND, but I cannot see ND ever returning to its glory years. It ruled in a day when there were probably 15 serious programs with which to contend, with USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and probably Penn State among them.

As just one example, back in the day, most ACC teams were hoops-focused. If you were around in the 70's or even the 80's and into the 90's, anyone who was told that Wake Forest would do well in football would have laughed hysterically. Look at all the money in the sport now and the facilities race that goes on with football and all the parity that that is creating, along with scholly limits, and you have an environment where ND is at a competitive disadvantage.

Worse yet, NBC is dying on the vine; that contract has to be getting heavier and heavier as time marches on.

ND has great tradition and national mystique, but it will be interesting to see if it holds it over time. That will be determined by its BCS performance to a large degree.

Pablo's Brother

09-14-2009, 06:20 PM

Look at all the money in the sport now and the facilities race that goes on with football and all the parity that that is creating, along with scholly limits, and you have an environment where ND is at a competitive disadvantage.

The fact UC football is now good makes your point.

xudash

09-14-2009, 07:43 PM

The fact UC football is now good makes your point.

Great point yourself - UC is an excellent example of how a program can elevate by finding its way into the BCS club, in particular.

Having noted that, I do believe UC's potential isn't as great as most other BCS programs due to its stadium size. Perhaps it should follow Pitt's lead and use the town's pro stadium more often, or at least for its very key games.

GoMuskies

09-14-2009, 07:50 PM

I love to see ND haters. If any fans should know how tough ND has it with high academic standards...X fans should.

I don't buy that ND football can't get anyone they want in, but we can agree to disagree. No need to argue.

I'm just not sure why you would claim Xavier has high academic standards. Sure, once you get to X you are required to go to class, advance towards graduation and actually graduate if you stick around. But it seems to me that Xavier gets whoever they want in. Robinson was denied by Purdue admissions. Martin is an academic risk who is headed off to prep school. Mark Lyons sat out last year for academic issues. Lionel Chalmers was a partial qualifier. Wasn't Aaron Turner an academic risk, too? James Posey was Prop 48. I'm sure there have been more.

It doesn't bother me a bit that Xavier takes these guys, but I don't think we can really get on a high horse about tough academic standards making it difficult to recruit. If you're qualified by NCAA standards coming out of high school, it seems Xavier is okay. Xavier's high academic standards only show up after you arrive on campus.

xudash

09-14-2009, 07:59 PM

I don't buy that ND football can't get anyone they want in, but we can agree to disagree. No need to argue.

I'm just not sure why you would claim Xavier has high academic standards. Sure, once you get to X you are required to go to class, advance towards graduation and actually graduate if you stick around. But it seems to me that Xavier gets whoever they want in. Robinson was denied by Purdue admissions. Martin is an academic risk who is headed off to prep school. Mark Lyons sat out last year for academic issues. Lionel Chalmers was a partial qualifier. Wasn't Aaron Turner an academic risk, too? James Posey was Prop 48. I'm sure there have been more.

It doesn't bother me a bit that Xavier takes these guys, but I don't think we can really get on a high horse about tough academic standards making it difficult to recruit. If you're qualified by NCAA standards coming out of high school, it seems Xavier is okay. Xavier's high academic standards only show up after you arrive on campus.

I'm not arguing with you, but it could be possible that it is a little more complicated fielding a, what, 50+ man football roster than a 13 man hoops roster. On top of that, the recruiting playing field really is a dramatically unlevel in football. It is possible that the recruiting practices within the SEC, as an example, differ between Vandy and the Vols. At one point I remember Tenn. having a 26% graduation rate.