Top 10 reasons Palin retiring

[bobbiemcgee]

10. She's pregnant again and is having John Edwards' baby
9. She's "hiking the Appalachian Trail" with Mark Sanford
8. She wants to spend more time teaching abstinence to her family
7. She's joining the cast of "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!"
6. She wants to spend more time watching Russia from her house
5. She wants to devote herself full-time to making comedians apologize for all the new jokes they're going to tell about her.
4. Her daughter Bristol is actually having Alex Rodriguez's baby
3. She's taking up Playboy's offer to pose nude as part of their upcoming "Governors Gone Wild" issue
2. She came to the end of the Bridge to Nowhere that is her political career
1. She didn't resign at all. It was an elaborate hoax pulled off by Tina Fey

[Runningman]

10. She's pregnant again and is having John Edwards' baby
9. She's "hiking the Appalachian Trail" with Mark Sanford
8. She wants to spend more time teaching abstinence to her family
7. She's joining the cast of "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!"
6. She wants to spend more time watching Russia from her house
5. She wants to devote herself full-time to making comedians apologize for all the new jokes they're going to tell about her.
4. Her daughter Bristol is actually having Alex Rodriguez's baby
3. She's taking up Playboy's offer to pose nude as part of their upcoming "Governors Gone Wild" issue
2. She came to the end of the Bridge to Nowhere that is her political career
1. She didn't resign at all. It was an elaborate hoax pulled off by Tina Fey

I am not trying to hate on your creativity but I hope you did not come up with those, they are pretty lame. What, a crack on her dominant husband didn't even make the Top Ten? I thought she said she plans to focus on her personal life and travel extensively? That should be number 1 then.

Reports are saying this is not the end of her political career. I think she can have a very positive influence on this country in the future. The continuning defmation of Sarah Palin by the left amazes me.

[golfitup]

I am not trying to hate on your creativity but I hope you did not come up with those, they are pretty lame. What, a crack on her dominant husband didn't even make the Top Ten? I thought she said she plans to focus on her personal life and travel extensively? That should be number 1 then.

Reports are saying this is not the end of her political career. I think she can have a very positive influence on this country in the future. The continuning defmation of Sarah Palin by the left amazes me.

You really think Sarah Palin would be a good president? As a rule of thumb I don't trust any Jesus freaks.

[sirthought]

Bobby, I thought those were really well done.

She may try to extend her political career, but I have a suspicion that Sara's trying to out run some storm clouds that the people of Alaska have yet to see take shape.

Why would anyone say they want to serve the people of their state and then quit the job before the term is up? How are you serving anyone then?

In any case, the sooner the GOP figures out that she's part of the problem and not the solution the better. She is uninformed on policy and can't explain the things she believes in with any credibility. I think she could take the ribbing but was tired of the jokes moving on to her children, which really wasn't fair.

[bobbiemcgee]

I am not trying to hate on your creativity but I hope you did not come up with those, they are pretty lame. What, a crack on her dominant husband didn't even make the Top Ten? I thought she said she plans to focus on her personal life and travel extensively? That should be number 1 then.

Reports are saying this is not the end of her political career. I think she can have a very positive influence on this country in the future. The continuning defmation of Sarah Palin by the left amazes me.

lighten up...Todd

[XU 87]

Where's the delete button?

[wkrq59]

Bobbie,
I repped you because I thought it was funny. I've got kids and a grandson whom I have taught to be open minded, get both sides of the story and then act according to your conscience. I'm too damned old to worry about left wing or right wing or liberal or conservative.
Since this is Independence Day, I celebrate our independence and hope to God I'll alway be able to do that.
I pray for our servicemen and women wherever they may be every day.
As far as the media and Sarah Palin are concerned, she stepped into the battle with her eyes wide open. If her skin is so thin she had to resign to stop the music, I feel sorry for her. I feel the same sorrow for her I did for Bill Clinton. He, too is still the butt of well-earned rebuke and always will be.
I'd really rather enjoy the prospect of another Xavier basketball season than I would worry about castigating someone for making jokes, especially since I'm sure Bobbie wasn't paid to produce that.
And I'd rather concentrate on hoping Jeff Robinson surpasses his dad's college career and makes Xavier proud. And I hope JD joins Jordan in returning to the fold. But I still enjoy a good laugh every now and then, especially Dana Carvey. A pretty damned good mimic.:D:D:D

[xubball93]

I don't think Palin had a true grasp on what she was getting into when she stepped on the national stage, anymore than she has a grasp on international affairs. I'm still astounded that the best our country could do was elect a community organizer with about has much experience as the Governor of Alaska.

Nonetheless, thank God for Tom and his pals in 1776. I still believe we live in the greatest country in the world! Happy 4th to all!

[taxpayer]

golfitup - "As I rule of thumb, I don't trust any Jesus freaks."

Really? Is Father Graham and Sister Rose included in this statement?

I guess it has come time to not trust who believe in the Ten Commandments and to treat others as we treat ourselves.

God help America.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I think she means well, and I think she works hard. I just don't believe shes ready to step onto the spotlight. She has had so much negative press and its affecting her. If she runs in 2012, Mitt and everyone will absolutely eat her alive in the primaries.

and of course getting an exorcism/casting out the demons on youtube doesn't help. It makes the general public skeptical of her mental well being

[golfitup]

and of course getting an exorcism/casting out the demons on youtube doesn't help. It makes the general public skeptical of her mental well being

Obviously. Anyone who opposes abortion for victims of rape or incest and only believes abstinence is what is needed for safe sex is obviously not a person who thinks logically and therefore, I do not want them running my country. I don't want them to even have a hint of getting to the white house.

[Ledgewood]

golfitup - "As I rule of thumb, I don't trust any Jesus freaks."

Really? Is Father Graham and Sister Rose included in this statement?

I guess it has come time to not trust who believe in the Ten Commandments and to treat others as we treat ourselves.

God help America.


I'm an atheist, and I treat others how I'd like to be treated.

[vee4xu]

I too repped Bobbie. Who cares about what one's politics are, this is funny and creative. For those of you who don't like it, make one up about someone on the other side of the aisle. I would find that equally as entertaining.

[Snipe]

I too repped Bobbie. Who cares about what one's politics are, this is funny and creative. For those of you who don't like it, make one up about someone on the other side of the aisle. I would find that equally as entertaining.


Just curious as to which ones you found entertaining.

[vee4xu]

Just curious as to which ones you found entertaining.

I find the concept of parody entertaining, not the list. The list I found funny and creative. I could find a list about Barney Frank funny and creative too.

[Strange Brew]

You really think Sarah Palin would be a good president? As a rule of thumb I don't trust any Jesus freaks.

Jesus freaks? Please elaborate.

Bobbie, good points but do you really think Biden is any more of a brilliant VP?

[golfitup]

Jesus freaks? Please elaborate.

Anyone who goes out of there way to promote Jesus and God and thinks everyone wants to hear it.

[XU 87]

Anyone who goes out of there way to promote Jesus and God and thinks everyone wants to hear it.

I'm not sure how to react to this statement, particularly on a Xavier message board.

I'm pretty sure I saw a post where you said you're an atheist. But this isn't really the place to argue your views, or lack thereof, about religion.

[GuyFawkes38]

Why would anyone say they want to serve the people of their state and then quit the job before the term is up? How are you serving anyone then?


yeah, i bet she plans on cashing in on her political celebrity. She has a core of fanatical supporters who would pay to see her speak, read her books, watch her on TV, etc... Who can really blame her. Money leads almost directly to happiness while pursuing a political career most often doesn't.

Seems like everyone is saying her political career is over.

[vee4xu]

I saw an editorial by Karl Rove and he is scratching his head of Palin's move.

[Runningman]

Hmm....we have a creative copyright issue here bobbie. That is, unless you are comedian Daniel Kurtzman.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2009/07/03/top-10-real-reasons-sarah-palin-is-resigning-as-governor.htm

I vote all reps for this post be removed in protection of the Credible Reputation Cree. May God have mercy on your soul, sir.

[GuyFawkes38]

wow, big controversy.

Should he be suspended for this.

[golfitup]

Hmm....we have a creative copyright issue here bobbie. That is, unless you are comedian Daniel Kurtzman.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2009/07/03/top-10-real-reasons-sarah-palin-is-resigning-as-governor.htm

I vote all reps for this post be removed in protection of the Credible Reputation Cree. May God have mercy on your soul, sir.

Hahahahaha, that is awesome...

[golfitup]

I'm not sure how to react to this statement, particularly on a Xavier message board.

I'm pretty sure I saw a post where you said you're an atheist. But this isn't really the place to argue your views, or lack thereof, about religion.

this is probably a correct statement.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Did he ever claim them to be his?

[GuyFawkes38]

Did he ever claim them to be his?

I guess not.

But still, when you copy and paste it's always proper to give a link (I honestly always try to cite when I write a thought I received from an outside source).

[kyxu]

But still, when you copy and paste it's always proper to give a link (I honestly always try to cite when I write a thought I received from an outside source).

"The thread from hell." -Richard Lewis

[Snipe]

I find the concept of parody entertaining, not the list.

I guess I consider parody entertaining too. Interesting that you noted it was "not the list" itself that was entertaining, but the concept of parody. I have no idea what that means.


The list I found funny and creative.

Again I would ask: Just curious as to which ones you found entertaining. What are your top three? Do you have a fave?


I could find a list about Barney Frank funny and creative too.

I could find a list about anyone funny and creative too, as long as it was actually funny and creative.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess not.

But still, when you copy and paste it's always proper to give a link (I honestly always try to cite when I write a thought I received from an outside source).


True. Or at least say where you found it.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I saw an editorial by Karl Rove and he is scratching his head of Palin's move.

I saw that too. He said it can definitely backfire if she is, indeed, preparing for 2012

[bobbiemcgee]

It was just an innocent joke post. Didn't think I would need a bibliography. Geez. I would do the same for Obama, Biden, Bush, Pelosi, Ensign, Sanford, Craig, Cheney etc. I did watch her video three times and find it curious that she said basically that the people of Alaska voted her in for her full "reformer" term and that she was not a quitter, but BTW, I quit. Strange things happen in the political world.

[XU 87]

I saw an editorial by Karl Rove and he is scratching his head of Palin's move.

That makes two of us. If she had plans to run for President in 21012, she may want to reconsider.

[DC Muskie]

I love Sarah Palin. She puts the "lame" in "lame duck."

[GoMuskies]

From all indications, Palin has been a good governor in Alaska, but I'm pretty sure that's where her mainstream appeal ends. If she's the best the Republicans have got for '12, then Obama won't even have to bother to campaign.

[DC Muskie]

If she's the best the Republicans have got for '12...

She's not even close.

[Pete Delkus]

Do I agree with Palin’s views on taxation and the Gov’t role in our financial lives – Yes
Do I agree with all of Palin’s social views – No

Do I love, LOVE watching the hatred that the Liberal’s dump on her just because she is an attractive woman with conservative views – views that I really don’t support in some areas…

Without a doubt! The venom that is thrown her way by the East and West Coast elite is now laughable (well not for her) as it exposes an almost schoolyard behavior by these people when her name comes up in conversation. It also exposes a massive double-standard in the main stream media.

With all the new media attention devoted to the death of the Republican Party and the admittedly sense of disorganization the Party seems to posses right now, you would think that the Democrats look good not only for years to come, but decades.

However, what I have been trying to figure out is how progress, in the recoup of power, won’t be realized at the midterm elections by the Republican Party. I am trying to figure out if my social cocoon is so small and geographically concentrated that I am fooling myself with my ambiguous conversations I have had lately about the current affairs of our nation and how they being handled by our Administration.

The voters that came out as once in a lifetime participants to support Obama OR to throw stones at Palin, won’t be around and the massive amount of Gov’t spending that has shocked our system has dropped Obama’s numbers pretty fast over the last 2 months.

Palin in 2012….Not going to happen.

House and Senate Democrats in swing states…I think they better worry.

[Ledgewood]

voting's lame

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

She's a polarizing figure. I would venture to guess most Americans don't have a favorable opinion of her. Maybe because of the "folksy" attitude, probably different reasons for different people. Alaskans have turned on her too. She got a lot of heat from people in her own state. They said she hasn't been the same since the 2008 election.

Karl Rove has come out and said this is a very dangerous move shes doing. GOP members in Alaska are questioning her mental state as well as wondering why she left. The democrats of course are playing politics and going after her. If she thought her resigning would take the spotlight off of her, it won't. The media will intensify now. Maybe thats what she wanted.

The father of Bristol's baby is writing a Palin tell all book. Palin herself is coming out with a book. There's talk of her running for president in 2012, having a fox news show, and of disappearing all together.

I've seen and heard just about enough of Sarah Palin. If she can't handle Letterman/Couric/Blogs without throwing a fit, then she is in the wrong profession. the GOP knows that it would be a complete disaster if she gets through the primaries.

[taxpayer]

I have no idea what SP is up to nor do I know why she is resigning. What I do know is that IF she is taking this action to run for different political office than I admire her for not taking a check for a job she wouldn't be doing. On the other hand, she was elected to fulfill a position for a specific term but is not honoring her term/contract; kinda like $M.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[DC Muskie]

Do I agree with Palin’s views on taxation and the Gov’t role in our financial lives – Yes
Do I agree with all of Palin’s social views – No

Do I love, LOVE watching the hatred that the Liberal’s dump on her just because she is an attractive woman with conservative views – views that I really don’t support in some areas…

Without a doubt! The venom that is thrown her way by the East and West Coast elite is now laughable (well not for her) as it exposes an almost schoolyard behavior by these people when her name comes up in conversation. It also exposes a massive double-standard in the main stream media.

Where have I heard this before? Oh that's right...circa 1990's.

[Emp]

"Cut and run." Some words come back to bite one in the ass. She cant finish a single term as governor? Has she remembered to feed the baby today?

She has not by "all accounts" been a good governator, even in a state that requires little governing, and receives the biggest piece of the federal pie per capital.

The basketball analogy is the most annoying part of the speech, it makes no sense. Self service raised to new highs.

[BBC 08]

"Cut and run." Some words come back to bite one in the ass. She cant finish a single term as governor? Has she remembered to feed the baby today?

She has not by "all accounts" been a good governator, even in a state that requires little governing, and receives the biggest piece of the federal pie per capital.

The basketball analogy is the most annoying part of the speech, it makes no sense. Self service raised to new highs.

That basketball analogy has been diagrammed by the folks at Deadspin: link (http://deadspin.com/5308468/diagramming-sarah-palins-full+court-press-metaphor) Enjoy.

[vee4xu]

I guess I consider parody entertaining too. Interesting that you noted it was "not the list" itself that was entertaining, but the concept of parody. I have no idea what that means.



Again I would ask: Just curious as to which ones you found entertaining. What are your top three? Do you have a fave?



I could find a list about anyone funny and creative too, as long as it was actually funny and creative.

I'm not that deep Snipe. Relax and enjoy the nice summer weather.

[GuyFawkes38]

You really think Sarah Palin would be a good president? As a rule of thumb I don't trust any Jesus freaks.

The whole Palin experiment disappointments me.

Like golfitup, it makes me nervous to watch overtly religious politicians run for office. But Palin was not Huckabee (a preacher, I believe). She never seemed to talk much about her religious beliefs.

In fact, she appeared to be a true libertarian. Palin supported marijuana legalization in Alaska. She spoke passionately about keeping government budgets low and keeping markets free.

Palin could win over southern social conservatives (who don't really care about free markets), while supporting libertarian causes. Only Reagan could pull that off.

[Snipe]

It was just an innocent joke post. Didn't think I would need a bibliography. Geez. I would do the same for Obama, Biden, Bush, Pelosi, Ensign, Sanford, Craig, Cheney etc. I did watch her video three times and find it curious that she said basically that the people of Alaska voted her in for her full "reformer" term and that she was not a quitter, but BTW, I quit. Strange things happen in the political world.

Please then, give me a top 10 list for Obama.

[Snipe]

I love, LOVE watching the hatred that the Liberal’s dump on her just because she is an attractive woman with conservative views – views that I really don’t support in some areas…

Without a doubt! The venom that is thrown her way by the East and West Coast elite is now laughable (well not for her) as it exposes an almost schoolyard behavior by these people when her name comes up in conversation. It also exposes a massive double-standard in the main stream media.




Massive double standard in the media? I can't believe it!!

[Snipe]

From all indications, Palin has been a good governor in Alaska, but I'm pretty sure that's where her mainstream appeal ends. If she's the best the Republicans have got for '12, then Obama won't even have to bother to campaign.

I liked Romney last time round and I like him now. He is a mormon, and people like DC and others like to crack on him for his religion.

I like Tim Palenty of MN too. Big Fan.


If she's the best the Republicans have got for '12, then Obama won't even have to bother to campaign.

I would turn that argument around. Look at Pelosi's Congress since 2006. Look at the deficits and the bailouts and the stimulus. The power of the purse has gone hyperactive. If Republicans can't get traction in this type of envioronment, I guess they aren't even Republicans. The spending is sick, and the dollar is bound to fail.

[Snipe]

She's a polarizing figure.

Why do you think she is a polarizing figure?

[Snipe]

Where have I heard this before? Oh that's right...circa 1990's.

please explain

[Snipe]

Has she remembered to feed the baby today?



Do you think she remembered to feed her baby today? That is a great question. I think that we all need an answer to that question. You are brilliant.





She has not by "all accounts" been a good governator,

Could you please give us your favorite of those "accounts"? I don't want all accounts. I would like your account.

[Snipe]

That basketball analogy has been diagrammed by the folks at Deadspin: link (http://deadspin.com/5308468/diagramming-sarah-palins-full+court-press-metaphor) Enjoy.

Follow that link to some outstanding Trig Palin jokes! I love fucking with the retarded. Reps to you coming.

[Snipe]

I'm not that deep Snipe.

I knew that coming in.

[kyxu]

Snipe the Republican Crusader

Slaying one left-friendly thread at a time

[DC Muskie]

please explain

Right wing conspiracy ring a bell? Let's not act like Palin is the first person, let alone woman to ever face tough oposition.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Why do you think she is a polarizing figure?

She turns off the Independants, women, and young adult demographic voting population. She did rally the base initally, (Which quite frankly I didn't think needed much rallying), and she raised a lot of money. But after the Couric interview, her image took a drastic turn in the national spotlight. The GOP knows she alienates too many potential voters, and they won't make that mistake again. They took a gamble on taking the Hillary women votes, and it backfired in 2008. It worked initially. Palins numbers were through the roof initially. Then they just kept sinking.

*EDIT* And she just said "I am not a quitter. I'm a fighter." http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.resignation/index.html. Is this bizarro world?

I think Mitt, probably Jindal(although his last image in the national spotlight with that speech did not help his cause), Cross Sanford off the list, Palin will probably run but very doubtful she gets past the primaries, Ron Paul, Maybe Michael Steele, Huckabee.. Probably someone new emerges because I don't think any of those people can beat Obama.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Right wing conspiracy ring a bell? Let's not act like Palin is the first person, let alone woman to ever face tough oposition.

That Katie Couric Interview was a fiasco and basically her introduction to the American Population. She was either overcoached or really just didn't know anything.

Every other interview and after the debate people were saying "well, she exceeded expectations". That's not entirely difficult when your perception, right or wrong, in the national media is simply that she's way in over her head and just needs to string along some coherant sentences.

McCain's campaign chose her for specific reasons, but there were plenty more women he could have chosen with more experience and more experience in the national spotlight. His campaign should have investigated more and found that woman. I honestly think Palin was part of two reasons that cost McCain the election. She cost him the Independants. The other one is Obama's money that his campaign had. (although McCain had a great amount of his own, but nowhere near Obama)

[bobbiemcgee]

Jesse Ventura starting to look like a NORMAL governor.

[Raoul Duke]

Could you please give us your favorite of those "accounts"?

My favorite account was the one given by the pseudonymous Lexington in The Economist. It was written shortly after McCain picked her. Scathing.

Link (http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12066224)

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

My favorite account was the one given by the pseudonymous Lexington in The Economist. It was written shortly after McCain picked her. Scathing.

Link (http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12066224)

Vetted for 15 minutes! I had no idea...That's just asking for trouble for any candidate

[XUglow]

News Flash... men and women are treated differently.

Sign in a local watering hole:

Men - No shirt, No service
Women - No shirt, Free Drinks

[vee4xu]

I knew that coming in.

Whew. Then I didn't disappoint.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

News Flash... men and women are treated differently.

Sign in a local watering hole:

Men - No shirt, No service
Women - No shirt, Free Drinks

Haha Classic....

[Snipe]

Right wing conspiracy ring a bell? Let's not act like Palin is the first person, let alone woman to ever face tough oposition.

So who are you comparing her to?

[Snipe]

She turns off the Independants, women, and young adult demographic voting population. She did rally the base initally, (Which quite frankly I didn't think needed much rallying), and she raised a lot of money. But after the Couric interview, her image took a drastic turn in the national spotlight. The GOP knows she alienates too many potential voters, and they won't make that mistake again. They took a gamble on taking the Hillary women votes, and it backfired in 2008. It worked initially. Palins numbers were through the roof initially. Then they just kept sinking.

*EDIT* And she just said "I am not a quitter. I'm a fighter." http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.resignation/index.html. Is this bizarro world?

I think Mitt, probably Jindal(although his last image in the national spotlight with that speech did not help his cause), Cross Sanford off the list, Palin will probably run but very doubtful she gets past the primaries, Ron Paul, Maybe Michael Steele, Huckabee.. Probably someone new emerges because I don't think any of those people can beat Obama.

Why do YOU think she is a polarizing figure was the question. I wasn't asking for why other people have a problem with her. I was curious as to why you don't like her.

[Snipe]

Snipe the Republican Crusader

Slaying one left-friendly thread at a time

I am a registered Democrat in the great State of Ohio. I have never been a Republican, and I have never given money to Republican candidates. I am not slaying this thread, but asking honest questions.

[Snipe]

That Katie Couric Interview was a fiasco and basically her introduction to the American Population. She was either overcoached or really just didn't know anything.

Every other interview and after the debate people were saying "well, she exceeded expectations". That's not entirely difficult when your perception, right or wrong, in the national media is simply that she's way in over her head and just needs to string along some coherant sentences.

McCain's campaign chose her for specific reasons, but there were plenty more women he could have chosen with more experience and more experience in the national spotlight. His campaign should have investigated more and found that woman. I honestly think Palin was part of two reasons that cost McCain the election. She cost him the Independants. The other one is Obama's money that his campaign had. (although McCain had a great amount of his own, but nowhere near Obama)

Do you think you could govern Alaska?

[Snipe]

Jesse Ventura starting to look like a NORMAL governor.


I like Jesse, and I think he always looked like a normal governor. I don't agree with everything but I think Jesse Ventura is an exceptional man. It appears you think otherwise. I wonder why you don't like Jesse.

[Snipe]

Whew. Then I didn't disappoint.

All I asked is what you found funny in a list of 10 jokes. You couldn't reply to that. You claimed that you were not that deep. It was only 10 bad jokes. I was wondering which ones you thought were actually funny.

You did give the man reps privately and you also publicly proclaimed the goodness of his post and his creativity and humor. It then came out that it wasn't even his work, so creativity was thrown out the window. Now we are just down to the humor, and I asked you which ones you thought were funny. I guess that is too deep for you.

I don't want to infer that you are an idiot and that I am a deep thinker and your are not. You and I know that isn't the case. I suspect that you can't pick one of those 10 jokes and defend that it is funny. You repped those jokes, but you didn't want to put your name on any one of them.

That is all that I was asking. Which one was funny. What was your favorite. That type of thing. That isn't too deep is it?

[Snipe]

It was just an innocent joke post. Didn't think I would need a bibliography. Geez. I would do the same for Obama.

Again, I would like to see your top ten for Obama. Lets go there now. Lets see the list. You said you would do the same for Obama. So I will call you on that. Let's see the list.

If not, maybe you would not do the same for Obama. It is one or the other.

[Snipe]

My favorite account was the one given by the pseudonymous Lexington in The Economist. It was written shortly after McCain picked her. Scathing.

Link (http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12066224)


That is a great article that is critical of Paln as the choice for VP. Can you think of another article that is as critical of Obama for the office of President of the United States? What if the same questions of experience where then applied to Obama? It would be interesting what the article would tell if the focused on the President and not a vice Presidential contender. His argument and career is quite weak when you look at it, and it isn't like he has proved himself in office as of yet.

[kyxu]

I have never been a Republican,

Yeah, you are. Don't hide it so you can pretend to be objective. Just let it out. You'll feel a ton better.

[DC Muskie]

So who are you comparing her to?

Everyone in politics. It's really not that hard to figure out.

[Raoul Duke]

That is a great article that is critical of Paln as the choice for VP. Can you think of another article that is as critical of Obama for the office of President of the United States? What if the same questions of experience where then applied to Obama? It would be interesting what the article would tell if the focused on the President and not a vice Presidential contender. His argument and career is quite weak when you look at it, and it isn't like he has proved himself in office as of yet.

I don't necessarily disagree with the issues you've raised about Obama, but we weren't talking about Obama. We were talking about Sarah Palin.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Do you think you could govern Alaska?

Of course not. I like how you try to deflect from the issue at hand. that has nothing to do with whether or not I think I can. I'm not running for an election/preparing for 2012. I understand thats your woman, but let me try to explain to you some of the reason why she turns off politicially speaking the independants and the younger demographics

Here are just some reasons.

1)She said American Servicemembers were being sent to Iraq to fight as a "task from God." In her singular interview with the media, she denied ever saying it, even after Charlie Gibson confronted her with her exact words. It's frightening that Sarah Palin is claiming to speak for God.
2) Theres a video of her being exorcised on youtube
3) She wants to teach Creationism in public schools.
4)The whole bridge to nowhere flip flop. Also that she claims she never takes earmarks, yet she does constantly. (I know every politician does, but that was part of her talking points at every speech and rally she gave)
5) She went the longest time after the Couric interview never speaking to the media. You're campaigning to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, you can't go weeks during an intense campaign trail and not talk to any major news networks or newspapers.
6) Charging women $1200 dollars for rape kits in Wasilla
7) Her folksy attititude - to me its an act. Plain as day. (subjective I know, but lets face it. Public speaking and use of words is a crucial part of being elected today). She has a problem of stringing together coherant sentences. Look at her recent resignation speech. Disjointed, incoherrant at times, rambling.


I can't really mention all the ethics complaints because none have materialized. But where there's smoke, there's usually fire. She wants us to believe all 15(now 16 as of yesterday) are all because everyone is out to get her. She thinks that if she resigns they will magically go away. Not gonna happen. She's very very good at playing the victim.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Yeah, you are. Don't hide it so you can pretend to be objective. Just let it out. You'll feel a ton better.

Haha, I wish he would. I'm an independant. I'm being honest about my feelings towards her. And he comes back with "Do you think you can govern Alaska?".

I guess were not allowed to be critical anymore of anything without offending someone

[DC Muskie]

Of course not.

Don't sell yourself short...it's not that hard of a job.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Don't sell yourself short...it's not that hard of a job.

I forgot to put down the "real America" comments. That irritated a ton of people, myself included. Apparently I live in a city, so I'm not part of the real America.

[Lav]

That is a great article that is critical of Paln as the choice for VP. Can you think of another article that is as critical of Obama for the office of President of the United States? What if the same questions of experience where then applied to Obama? It would be interesting what the article would tell if the focused on the President and not a vice Presidential contender. His argument and career is quite weak when you look at it, and it isn't like he has proved himself in office as of yet.

Where were you, oh, 7-19 months ago?

[Kahns Krazy]

I am a registered Democrat in the great State of Ohio. I have never been a Republican, and I have never given money to Republican candidates. I am not slaying this thread, but asking honest questions.

As long as we're wondering things, I wonder why you are a registered democrat? When did you register? What prompted you to register?

[XU 87]

Joe Biden made a statement on a Sunday morning news program that the Obama administration just "didn't realize just how bad the economy was". The statement got a little sniff from the media but not much.

Could you imagine the media coverage if Palin was VP and made such a stupid statement?

[DC Muskie]

Joe Biden made a statement on a Sunday morning news program that the Obama administration just "didn't realize just how bad the economy was". The statement got a little sniff from the media but not much.

Could you imagine the media coverage if Palin was VP and made such a stupid statement?

This sort of thinking cracks me up. Of course it would be worse. First female VP, known moron, blurts out stupid statement. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the media would have a field day.

But it didn't happen. She's not VP. She was a VP candidate that resigned from office so that she could be a better leader. I'm not sure how that works exactly, but if Joe Biden had resigned from being the governor of Delaware and made the same comment, it wouldn't get much play, because quite simply, he's not as intersting as the moron from Alaska.

The media is a business. And people watch, read, listen to it all the time. If not, these outlets would go out of business. So I'm not really sure why your argument should hold much more then a "No Duh" reaction. So here it is:

No duh.

[Emp]

even for Snipe, thatsa lotta vitrol. Seriously defending Palin and a total and sudden loss of any sense of humor, dangerous symptoms.

[XU 87]

This sort of thinking cracks me up. Of course it would be worse. First female VP, known moron, blurts out stupid statement. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the media would have a field day.

But it didn't happen. She's not VP. She was a VP candidate that resigned from office so that she could be a better leader. I'm not sure how that works exactly, but if Joe Biden had resigned from being the governor of Delaware and made the same comment, it wouldn't get much play, because quite simply, he's not as intersting as the moron from Alaska.

The media is a business. And people watch, read, listen to it all the time. If not, these outlets would go out of business. So I'm not really sure why your argument should hold much more then a "No Duh" reaction. So here it is:

No duh.

I appreciate your honesty that the media would cover this much more if Palin had said it. But you missed the reason why. Biden is a liberal democrat. So the media gives him a free pass and has given him a pass for just about every dumb thing he has said, and there have been many.

Palin is a conservative female. So the media buries her every chance they get.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Unfortunately in a new poll, it said that 7 out of 10 republicans would support her for presidency.

If thats the direction the Republican party is heading in, then its very very troublesome for the GOP. Like I said earlier, she is polarizing. You either love her or hate her. And she turns off the swing voters.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I appreciate your honesty that the media would cover this if Palin had said it. But you missed the reason why. Biden is a liberal democrat. So the media gives him a free pass and has given him a pass for just about every dumb thing he has said, and there have been many.

Palin is a conservative female. So the media buries her every chance they get.

I agree with this to a certain extent. But she does bring a lot of it on herself. I believe she honestly likes to play the victim. She gains sympathy, gains more of the spotlight, gains more of an audience. The favorable numbers in polls have come about when she's involved in some kind of confrontation - Either the ethics complaints or Letterman or bloggers or Resignment. A poll conducted a couple weeks before the Letterman fiasco showed her dead last when they asked who was the face of the GOP. Then after she demanded Letterman apologize, her poll numbers shot up favorably. She knows what she's doing. I think almost everything she does is calculated and she's a lot smarter than people give her credit for politically. However, in my opinion, she has no substance in detail on the issues past her talking points "Energy independance/smaller gov/obama's a socialist" etc

[DC Muskie]

I appreciate your honesty that the media would cover this much more if Palin had said it. But you missed the reason why. Biden is a liberal democrat. So the media gives him a free pass and has given him a pass for just about every dumb thing he has said, and there have been many.

Palin is a conservative female. So the media buries her every chance they get.

The conservative media buries Biden every chance they get. So what's your point? Why are you upset at a certain group of people, that you don't care for anyway, "buries" a person who quit her job so that she can become a better leader? Seriously? The entire thread is about Sarah Palin, and you want to point out that Joe Biden, a completely different person, gets treated differently for something completely different! That doesn't make sense to me.

A co-worker of mine said something completely stupid the other day, then followed it up with a stupid action. He is a liberal Democrat and I can't believe the liberal media didn't bury him like they buired Sarah Palin. Holy Moly am I pissed! He just keeps getting passes by the liberal media.

[bobbiemcgee]

Unfortunately in a new poll, it said that 7 out of 10 republicans would support her for presidency.

If thats the direction the Republican party is heading in, then its very very troublesome for the GOP. Like I said earlier, she is polarizing. You either love her or hate her. And she turns off the swing voters.

7 of 10 repubs would give you about 25% of the vote right now...good luck with that.

[DC Muskie]

She knows what she's doing. I think almost everything she does is calculated and she's a lot smarter than people give her credit for politically.

I completely disagree. She's no Ronald Reagan when it comes to this stuff. The political fallout for resigning from her job with no real reason behind it, is huge.

[XU 87]

The conservative media buries Biden every chance they get. .

Who is this "conservative media" that you speak of?

[DC Muskie]

Who is this "conservative media" that you speak of?

You don't know?

Oh wait, this is when you go on and on about how how there are no conservative media outlets even though they are owned by big corporations. Or something like that.

I'm pretty sure you are smart enough to figure out that if there is a liberal media, there must be a conservative media. How in the world does this country elect people who are not liberal if all they ever listen to is liberal media?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

7 of 10 repubs would give you about 25% of the vote right now...good luck with that.

just saying what the recent poll was. That does not bode well for the GOP in the future if they are aligning with her..That tent will get smaller and smaller.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I completely disagree. She's no Ronald Reagan when it comes to this stuff. The political fallout for resigning from her job with no real reason behind it, is huge.

That very well may have been the case. Who knows with her. She loves this "underdog/poor me/i am being attacked by the evil liberal media" stupid role. Yet she knows the sympathy she gets helps her with her core base.

Definitely doesn't help with me and most independants, along with the moderate Democrats/moderate republicans.

I think the McCain campaign severly underestimated the average American's intelligence when nominating her.

[DC Muskie]

That very well may have been the case. Who knows with her. She loves this "underdog/poor me/i am being attacked by the evil liberal media" stupid role. Yet she knows the sympathy she gets helps her with her core base.

That's what cracks me up about this. The media made her, and yet the media is also a pain in her ass. She'll make zillions of dollars because of the media. And I'll bet she actually comes and works for the media! You betcha!


I think the McCain campaign severly underestimated the average American's intelligence when nominating her.

McCain sold himself out and went for it. I think you will see right before he dies a complete death bed confession on how he screwed up.

Palin is going to make a lot of money. So much that she will no longer become that "Ordinary Joe" style she relies on so much. She'll be as ordinary as Rush Limbaugh.

[vee4xu]

All right Snipe you win. I liked #6 the best.

[bobbiemcgee]

too funny, I'll take 1.2&3.

[D-West & PO-Z]

All right Snipe you win. I liked #6 the best.

That was my favorite as well.

[Raoul Duke]

From a purely comedic, i.e., nonpolitical, standpoint the list is horribly unfunny. Especially to be coming from a purported comedian.

Basically, all the guy did was either point out Palin's newsworthy gaffes (many from almost a year ago), or rehash a joke someone else already made.... he never actually made his own jokes. (#8 might be a minor exception. That one was a little funny.) Palin + Playboy offer (newsworthy gaffe) =/= Joke. You have to actually make a joke out of it. Palin's daughter + ARod = someone else's joke.

As Seinfeld once said, "I'm not offended as a Jew, I'm offended as a comedian."

[Raoul Duke]

6. She wants to spend more time watching Russia from her house

The incident where she claimed to be monitoring Russia from Alaska, as stupid as she may have been, was a media gaffe. So again, from a comedy standpoint, the author of the list is basically saying, "Hey, remember when Sarah Palin said something STUPID???" That's not a joke.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

The incident where she claimed to be monitoring Russia from Alaska, as stupid as she may have been, was a media gaffe. So again, from a comedy standpoint, the author of the list is basically saying, "Hey, remember when Sarah Palin said something STUPID???" That's not a joke.

It's more frightening than funny that she was so close to the white house and now one of the leaders of the republican party.

[DC Muskie]

It's more frightening than funny that she was so close to the white house and now one of the leaders of the republican party.

In fairness, the Democrats are led by Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Not exactly top talent.

[Raoul Duke]

It's more frightening than funny that she was so close to the white house and now one of the leaders of the republican party.


In fairness, the Democrats are led by Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Not exactly top talent.

I agree with all of this.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

In fairness, the Democrats are led by Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Not exactly top talent.

Definitely agree with that as well. Both parties are frightening.

I'm just shocked at the recent self decline of the republicans. Every week theres something new.

At this point they cannot afford to alienate people and voters, or else they won't have much of a party left.

They did a poll about a month ago (before this Palin stuff), and asked Republicans "who is the leader of the GOP?" and the response was overwhelmingly in favor of Rush Limbaugh. Thats a huge problem right there. Now apparently its overwhelmingly Sarah Palin, which is laughable as well. There just has to be better leaders than that.

[XUglow]

America seems to like things in the middle. When one party or the other starts swinging things too far off-center, you can bet your bottom dollar that the other party will start making strides to overtake them. The Dems are in charge now, and they feel that they have a "mandate" to do X, Y, and Z from a liberal agenda. In truth, people were probably mostly fed up with Bush's and the Republican's politics, so they tossed them out for trying to do too much from a conservative agenda.

The economy is pretty bad, so people are sitting back now and giving the Dems a chance to do something, but my guess is that the majority of people are uncomfortable with one party having so much power, and little by little we will start to see things swing back. As they swing back, someone will probably step up to take the lead with the Republicans that can unite the party base and the Independents that sit in the center and keep things balanced. My personal opinion is that Palin may be popular with the conservatives in the Republican party, but she will never pick up large support from the moderates in the party or from the Independents.

[chico]

America seems to like things in the middle. When one party or the other starts swinging things too far off-center, you can bet your bottom dollar that the other party will start making strides to overtake them. The Dems are in charge now, and they feel that they have a "mandate" to do X, Y, and Z from a liberal agenda. In truth, people were probably mostly fed up with Bush's and the Republican's politics, so they tossed them out for trying to do too much from a conservative agenda.

The economy is pretty bad, so people are sitting back now and giving the Dems a chance to do something, but my guess is that the majority of people are uncomfortable with one party having so much power, and little by little we will start to see things swing back. As they swing back, someone will probably step up to take the lead with the Republicans that can unite the party base and the Independents that sit in the center and keep things balanced. My personal opinion is that Palin may be popular with the conservatives in the Republican party, but she will never pick up large support from the moderates in the party or from the Independents.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said. The only fly in the ointment, though, is the primary process. The average voter (the moderates of each party and independents) usually don't vote in the primaries, so you only get the real zealots on each side voting. As a result, the moderates have a tough time winning. Hopefully come next election someone will be nominated who can bring the moderates on board and not someone so far to the extreme as to turn off the moderates and independents.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I pretty much agree with everything you've said. The only fly in the ointment, though, is the primary process. The average voter (the moderates of each party and independents) usually don't vote in the primaries, so you only get the real zealots on each side voting. As a result, the moderates have a tough time winning. Hopefully come next election someone will be nominated who can bring the moderates on board and not someone so far to the extreme as to turn off the moderates and independents.

Exactly. A more moderate McCain in 2000 got torn apart by Bush/Rove in the primaries. He learned his lesson in 2008 by appealing to the more extreme right, evident when he picked Palin. In 2008, Ron Paul was more moderate than everyone he was running against in the primaries, and got torn apart. He got called numerous names because he wanted to withdraw troops from Iraq.

On the left I think its similar. Clinton was more moderate than Obama, but because she was a Clinton and they know how to run campaigns, she nearly made it to the big stage.

It was incredible to watch McCain and Obama come out of nowhere to overtake Mitt and Hillary. But both parties need some definite reform.

[XUglow]

I pretty much agree with everything you've said. The only fly in the ointment, though, is the primary process. The average voter (the moderates of each party and independents) usually don't vote in the primaries, so you only get the real zealots on each side voting. As a result, the moderates have a tough time winning. Hopefully come next election someone will be nominated who can bring the moderates on board and not someone so far to the extreme as to turn off the moderates and independents.

Those are micro events in a macro cycle. Once the independents really get fed up with the status quo, they will start believing they are R or D, and they will sign up and vote that way in the primaries, and a viable candidate will emerge.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Here's a good article written by a republican about why she does not like Palin

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html

[Snipe]

Here's a good article written by a republican about why she does not like Palin

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html

I think she may still be republican, but I don't consider Peggy Noonan to be much of a conservative. She did endorse Barack Obama. I don't think that was the conservative pick. Granted, John McCain wasn't a conservative either, but at least he was a moderate.

I also have to add that article made me sick. Sarah Palin if you like her or not was a Gov. She wasn't just a Gov, she was wildly popular. She has real bonafieds. She pushed legislation that changed Alaska. She was a worker bee common sense conservative. She reminds me a lot about my wife. She isn't stupid.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I also have to add that article made me sick. Sarah Palin if you like her or not was a Gov. She wasn't just a Gov, she was wildly popular. She has real bonafieds. She pushed legislation that changed Alaska. She was a worker bee common sense conservative.

Well I agree with you on one point and I know that DC does not agree with me on this. I think she knows what she's doing. And that someone in her campaign knows what they are doing. The poll numbers rise favorably whenever she plays the victim or responds to her attacks.

The key word is she "was" wildly popular. Alaska residents and newspapers had been turning on her, months before the resignation. There has been a fallout. I think she represents the old hard line republican attitude that has gotten the GOP into the mess they are currently in.

And whoever said that political elections go in cycles in terms of Repubs/Dems alternating is dead on. However, I think its drastically changing now. Most of the population(especially the youth) is more moderate. The dems have adapted (or at the very least recognize this although it can be argued the election was pretty much won beforehand after Bush/Cheney). The GOP, in retaliation, seems to have returned more to the right to appease their base. Will it pay off? I guess we will see

[XU 87]

Here's a good article written by a republican about why she does not like Palin

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html

I read that article last week. I generally like Noonan and respect her opinions. But she didn't like Palin from the beginning and was upset that Palin was chosen over establishment female republicans like Kay Hutchinson. One thing I find interesting is that Noonan wrote a "glowing" article about Palin after the debate.

I liked Palin but I still have my doubts about her. Like others, I question her grasp of the details.

But she was done in, in part, by a left wing media that absolutely hated her. More than anything else, it looks like her critics won. And these same critics now have their blueprint for the next popular republican- destroy him (or her) personally with the help from an accommodating media.

So I see Palin's resignation as a loss for her, a loss for most conservatives, and a win for liberals.

[DC Muskie]

But she was done in, in part, by a left wing media that absolutely hated her. More than anything else, it looks like her critics won. And these same critics now have their blueprint for the next popular republican- destroy him (or her) personally with the help from an accommodating media.

I mean this is absolutely ridiculous statement to make. No one knew who the hell Sarah Pailn was before McCain nominated her. Jimmy just spoke about how popular she is when she plays the victim, and yet you seem to think that "liberal" media destroyed her.

Hilarious.


So I see Palin's resignation as a loss for her, a loss for most conservatives, and a win for liberals.

Yeah, I'm sure her resignation is such a huge loss for conservatives.

[DC Muskie]

Well I agree with you on one point and I know that DC does not agree with me on this. I think she knows what she's doing. And that someone in her campaign knows what they are doing. The poll numbers rise favorably whenever she plays the victim or responds to her attacks.

I don't think she does. I think she is taking the money and running. She's not going to be a political force when she is no longer in politics. She'll end up actually working in the "liberal" media, or maybe starting her own conservative media since it seems like it doesn't exsist.

[XU 87]

I mean this is absolutely ridiculous statement to make. No one knew who the hell Sarah Pailn was before McCain nominated her. Jimmy just spoke about how popular she is when she plays the victim, and yet you seem to think that "liberal" media destroyed her.


Yeah, I'm sure her resignation is such a huge loss for conservatives.

1) Do you think the think the media was fair to her? For example. how many articles did the NY Times run about her on such an important issue as her wardrobe? (the answer is 13). The left wing media ran negative story after personal story about Palin and her family. Families are supposed to be "hands off", but not in this case. The personal attacks on her were nothing short of astounding.

What bothers me most, and as I said above, if you're a liberal and don't like someone's policies, and see them as a threat, the playbook appears to be make ridiculous personal attacks and then have your friends in the media report about these attacks. It worked with Palin.

2) As for your second paragraph, there are MANY conservatives who liked Palin. She was the early front runner for the Republican nomination for 2012.

[DC Muskie]

1) Do you think the think the media was fair to her? For example. how many articles did the NY Times run about her on such an important issue as her wardrobe? (the answer is 13). The left wing media ran negative story after personal story about Palin and her family. Families are supposed to be "hands off", but not in this case. The personal attacks on her were nothing short of astounding.

Your argument is that they picked on her clothes? Are you kidding me? A major political force was brought down by 13 articles written by the NYT regarding what she wore? Is that your argument?

So it's astounding that the "liberal media" attacked her clothing, and made fun of her husband. Whoa, I've never seen that before! They really had it out her her and her "policies."


What bothers me most, and as I said above, if you're a liberal and don't like someone's policies, and see them as a threat, the playbook appears to be make ridiculous personal attacks and then have your friends in the media report about these attacks. It worked with Palin.

Do you think that is actually something much more to the fact that people saw her as someone who was completely out of her league? What personal attacks brough her down...I mean besides what she wore on any given day, because we know how harsh that is.

Why can't people just accept the fact that voters saw her for what she is...a good looking big a potentially ineffective national leader.


As for your second paragraph, there are MANY conservatives who liked Palin. She was the early front runner for the Republican nomination for 2012.

Who are these many conservatives? And being the early frontrunner for the 2012 election in 2009 really doesn't mean much. In fact it means nothing.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

While I think you have some validity to your argument that the media unfairly attacked her family, I do think Palin shares a lot of the blame in that department. She put her daughter in the forefront to preach abstinence/sex education etc. She capitalized on her fame, in part, because of her family being shown in the spotlight. Many people on the right identified with this move. The whole "she's just like me, so i'll vote for her" gathering was huge initially.

[XU 87]

Your argument is that they picked on her clothes? Are you kidding me? A major political force was brought down by 13 articles written by the NYT regarding what she wore? Is that your argument?


Who are these many conservatives? And being the early frontrunner for the 2012 election in 2009 really doesn't mean much. In fact it means nothing.


1) The clothes issue is one example of liberal media personal attacks on Palin. That's why I use the words "For example" before bringing it up. If you recall, there was story after story about how much the RNC spent on Palin's wardrobe. The NY Times ran 13 stories on this important issue. Other examples of personal attacks, , and this a very limited list because there are many, include CBS running a story telling us that the daughter's boyfriend wrote on his Facebook that he's an "f'in redneck." Us Magazine had Palin on the September cover with the headline titled "Babies, Lies, and Scandals." And every time Tina Fey made fun of Palin on SNL, somehow that parody bacame relevant to the election because the networks all would run the clips.

And how many times did we have to hear about Palin's daughter being pregnant? My recollection is that this story was one of the first things I learned about Palin.

(And ask "Joe the Plumber" how he felt about the national media coverage he received after he had the audacity to ask Obama a tough question. But I digress).

The bottom line though is that the coverage of Palin went far beyond anything I ever recall previously seeing about a candidate in an election. It was personal. It involved her family. And she took cheap shot after cheap shot. Do you think the NY Times would have run a story about how much Hillary Clinton paid for her clothes?

2) As for your second paragraph, I repeat- Palin was the early front runner, along with Romney, for the 2012 nomination. You say this means "nothing". Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But that's not the point. The point, which you apparently disagree with, is that there are a lot of conservatives out there who supported Palin.

[GoMuskies]

The NYT had a front-page article on Palin and her road to resignation today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31886324/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/

If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, the gist is that Palin was doing a good job as governor in AK, was completely unprepared for the national stage, and since the election everything has gone wrong for her, much of it stemming from her disinterest in going back to the basics of running Alaska after getting her taste of national stage glory.

[DC Muskie]

1) The clothes issue is one example of liberal media personal attacks on Palin. That's why I use the words "For example" before bringing it up. If you recall, there was story after story about how much the RNC spent on Palin's wardrobe. The NY Times ran 13 stories on this important issue.

Well when Palin is running her mouth about what an "outsider and Maverick" she is it is a little interesting to show that she is full of shit.

But seriously, you think what she wore brought her down? Aren't you the same person who slams John Edwards for campaigning for the poor when in fact he gets $400 haricuts? I remember the liberal media going off on that sotry. The NYT probably only ran it ten times though.



Other examples of personal attacks, , and this a very limited list because there are many, include CBS running a story telling us that the daughter's boyfriend wrote on his Facebook that he's an "f'in redneck." Us Magazine had Palin on the September cover with the headline titled "Babies, Lies, and Scandals." And every time Tina Fey made fun of Palin on SNL, somehow that parody bacame relevant to the election because the networks all would run the clips.

US magazine? Do you really think that is a credible source of news? The magazine who tells us who is humping who?

SNL also made fun Clinton. They ran clips. I guess they buried her.

Jesus, I'm not even going through your list. This is national politics and you are complainging about clothes, facebook page messages and US Magazine. That's the list you decided to highlight. You seem to think this brought down the Palin Dynamic Policial Force of Conservatism! You give US Magainze WAAAAAAY too much credit.



(And ask "Joe the Plumber" how he felt about the national media coverage he received after he had the audacity to ask Obama a tough question. But I digress).

Yeah, his tough question regarded paying taxes, something he never did, and then turned him into a celebrity with a book deal. I'm sure Joe feels the national media is horrible.

If many conservatives love Palin, then how did the media destroy her? How could someone so beloved, who obviously can still raise money, have stories of her clothes and facebook pages bring her down?

I know you don't actually believe any of things you write 87. I think if you just stopped and actually looked at her, you would see there was no way the average Joe was going to vote for her. And it nothing to do with US Weekly.

[kyxu]

Who the fuck reads US Weekly??

"Tom Cruise is 40!!! Emilio Estevez is 40!!!" -Larry David

[XU 87]

But seriously, you think what she wore brought her down?

Jesus, I'm not even going through your list. This is national politics and you are complainging about clothes, facebook page messages and US Magazine. That's the list you decided to highlight. You seem to think this brought down the Palin Dynamic Policial Force of Conservatism! You give US Magainze WAAAAAAY too much credit.


I know you don't actually believe any of things you write 87.

1) I will repeat- the 13 stories the NY Times ran about her wardrobe are one example (or maybe 13 examples) of how biased the media was against her. Do you think that was fair and objective coverage? Can you recall the media offering any similar coverage of what Hillary paid for her custom made pants suits? I really could care less. But when it came to Palin, the media somehow felt Palin's wardrobe was a story critical to the election. And the story ran for days, if not weeks. But if you were objective, you would agree that the "wardrobe" stories were run simply to make Palin look bad (ie. "look how much this stupid chick from Alaska is spending on new clothes").

2) As for Facebook messages- CBS covered the "story". I agree with you that the story is irrelevant and petty. But CBS thought it was pretty damn important to make it a national story. You argue that I'm complaining about Facebook messages. No, I'm complaining about a national news organization covering a Facebook message from a 17 year old kid.

3) US Magazine is yet another example of how Palin was absolutely killed in the media. Do you think that cover, which, I think, I first saw while in the checkout line at Kroger, was even remotely fair?

4) It seems that your basic argument is that "this story is irrelevant" and "that story is petty". And I agree with you. But the national media disagreed with you and ran these stories as headline news. Other than to make Palin look like a dumb hick from Alaska, what was the point of CBS running the story about what the boyfriend wrote on his Facebook?

5) I 'll ask you a similar question. Do you really think the media was fair with Palin? Do you think the media treated her the same way they treated Obama and Biden?

[DC Muskie]

87-

Let me just break it down for you...the media is not fair. None of it. Not your conservative end of the media, not your liberal end either. They are out to make money. You seem to think that the NYT running a story 13 times, which by the way, is completely weird that you know that statisitc, is burying Palin. The NYT was making money, because people were buying that story.

Do you think conservative media is fair to Obama and Biden? We can go around and around on this all day. Obama and especially Biden, are old news in 24 hour news cycles. Palin was fresh and was different and couldn't complete a sentence with two hands and flashlight.

Access Hollywood has been covering Palin's tweets. Is that a story? I have no idea, but when CBS runs a facebook story you seem to think that they are not allowed to do that. I listen to Michael Savage sometimes on the ride home, he still has people on that continue to push the idea that the President isn't actually a citizen. I should throw up my arms that Michael Savage isn't more fair. If people don't want petty and crappy journalism, they won't buy it.

Do you not think that Palin is a dumb hick from Alaska? I think Joe Biden is an idiot from Delaware.

I mean I'm dumbfounded as to your thought that the third rated evening news show in 2008 ran a story about a facebook message as something that is completely unfair and personal and slanted. Or that it had the power to take down such a dynamic leader.

What in the world should we have covered about Palin? We talked about her bridge to nowhere, the fight against the state GOP, about her popularity. Oh wait, they were. Is that fair...everything that paints her in a positive light? Only stories that show her not a dumb hick from Alaska are allowed. Is that right?

[XU 87]

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You seem to think that the NYT running a story 13 times, which by the way, is completely weird that you know that statisitc, is burying Palin.

Ha.

But it's true.

[Snipe]

Exactly. A more moderate McCain in 2000 got torn apart by Bush/Rove in the primaries. He learned his lesson in 2008 by appealing to the more extreme right, evident when he picked Palin. In 2008, Ron Paul was more moderate than everyone he was running against in the primaries, and got torn apart. He got called numerous names because he wanted to withdraw troops from Iraq.

On the left I think its similar. Clinton was more moderate than Obama, but because she was a Clinton and they know how to run campaigns, she nearly made it to the big stage.

It was incredible to watch McCain and Obama come out of nowhere to overtake Mitt and Hillary. But both parties need some definite reform.

I would like to know what was more moderate about McCain in 2000? McCain to me doesn't seem to change much. I never liked him ever. I am a conservative. I think he was always a moderate. I am interested in the explanation of how he went from a moderate to a move to the "extreme right". Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him.

You make me think some crazy thoughts. If you think that John McCain represented the "extreme right" in the last election, I don't know what to say. I guess we have different definitions of words.

[Snipe]

From a purely comedic, i.e., nonpolitical, standpoint the list is horribly unfunny. Especially to be coming from a purported comedian.



That was my point. They never admitted it though.

[muskienick]

I agree, Snipe. McCain has always been somewhat of a moderate and his only concession to the Right in 2008 was the selection of his running mate (which turned out to be a disaster).

[DC Muskie]

Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him.

Jerry Falwell in 2006.

James Dobson

Trent Lott

Gary Bauer

George W. Bush

Jeff Hagee

[Raoul Duke]

87-

Let me just break it down for you...the media is not fair. None of it. Not your conservative end of the media, not your liberal end either. They are out to make money. You seem to think that the NYT running a story 13 times, which by the way, is completely weird that you know that statisitc, is burying Palin. The NYT was making money, because people were buying that story.


This hits the nail on the head. It's called sensationalism. I'm looking at FoxNews right now, which is generally considered a conservative news site, and some of the headlines include the following:

- Tony [Romo] dumps Jess [Simpson]. Notice how I had to add in their last names.

- Harry Potter Hotties

- Jacko's [Michael Jackson's] $2.3m Habits

- There's also a writeup by FoxNews' esteemed and so-called 'Sexpert'

This is journalism at its finest. They're all guilty of it, 'liberal' or 'conservative.' It's either John Edwards' haircut or Sarah Palin's wardrobe.



Do you not think that Palin is a dumb hick from Alaska? I think Joe Biden is an idiot from Delaware.


This also hits the nail on the head.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I would like to know what was more moderate about McCain in 2000? McCain to me doesn't seem to change much. I never liked him ever. I am a conservative. I think he was always a moderate. I am interested in the explanation of how he went from a moderate to a move to the "extreme right". Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him.

You make me think some crazy thoughts. If you think that John McCain represented the "extreme right" in the last election, I don't know what to say. I guess we have different definitions of words.

If no one on the extreme right accepted him, then how did he get the nomination? They have some serious power and pull for the GOP.

I said he moved more to the right than in 2000 because of his experience against Bush in the primaries.

I said he appealed more to the extreme right, which pushed him over the edge in the primaries. How else do you think he beat Mitt, Huckabee, Giuliani, etc? If he was running like he did in 2000, as more of the same moderate that he used to be, than he would have never gotten the nomination for the republican party.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I agree, Snipe. McCain has always been somewhat of a moderate and his only concession to the Right in 2008 was the selection of his running mate (which turned out to be a disaster).

You guys are completely missing my point. I never once said McCain wasn't less moderate than the other candidates. I said he moved more to the right for political reasons to reach more of the base so he could get nominated. Then he moved way more to the right when he brought Palin on board. Completely agree with your points

[UCGRAD4X]

You guys are completely missing my point. I never once said McCain wasn't less moderate than the other candidates. I said he moved more to the right for political reasons to reach more of the base so he could get nominated. Then he moved way more to the right when he brought Palin on board. Completely agree with your points

Sometimes people get nominated more on their perceived likelihood of competing successfully against the other side. My recollection seems to be that many did not necessarily agree with McCain but saw him as having the best chance of beating the democrat counterpart...which is a sad commentary on the state of affairs.

Also - once a candidate seems a likely nominee - the 'lesser of two evils' attitude kicks in and those who might not otherwise align jump on board.

I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is a possible alternative explanation.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Sometimes people get nominated more on their perceived likelihood of competing successfully against the other side. My recollection seems to be that many did not necessarily agree with McCain but saw him as having the best chance of beating the democrat counterpart...which is a sad commentary on the state of affairs.

Also - once a candidate seems a likely nominee - the 'lesser of two evils' attitude kicks in and those who might not otherwise align jump on board.

I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is a possible alternative explanation.

Good points. I never really thought of those in depth but they make absolute sense in this instance as well...Now that i'm re-reading it, it makes a lot of sense....

[XU 87]

In my view, McCain got elected because 1) he was next in line (see Bob Dole) 2) there really weren't any other nationally popular republicans running and 3) Romney and Fred Thompson split the conservative vote.

Because of his views on abortion and some other social issues, I don't think Rudy ever had a chance to win.

I once had a candidate for Cincinnati city council tell me that you can't be a republican in this town and get elected unless your pro-life. I think the same is true for the republican presidential nomination. That's why Romney switched his stance.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

In my view, McCain got elected because 1) he was next in line (see Bob Dole) 2) there really weren't any other nationally popular republicans running and 3) Romney and Fred Thompson split the conservative vote.

Because of his views on abortion and some other social issues, I don't think Rudy ever had a chance to win.

I once had a candidate for city council tell me that you can't be a republican and get elected unless your pro-life. I think the same is true for the republican presidential nomination. That's why Romney switched his stance.

Definitely agree with everything you say. I honestly think McCain's time was 2000, but that Bush/Rove started mudslinging/using that vicious smear campaign at him and he never retaliated (Part of the reason I have so much respect for McCain). But I honestly don't think there was anyway he could have won the election in 2008. Bush destroyed the perception of the party and Obama had too much starpower, too much money, too much charisma. Factor in McCain choosing Palin for political purposes, and that was the nail in the coffin.

Who do you guys think are the contenders for the GOP in 2012? Palin? Jindal? Mitt? Huckabee? who are the up and comers of the GOP?

[XU 87]

I think Romney is the front runner at this point. At least the polls say as much. Palin was also a front runner but I think here resignation really hurts her chances. But people have short memories, so maybe in a few years Palin has a chance.

I don't think Huckabee can win by simply going afer the so-called Christian vote. And he is too liberal on economic issues to be win the nomination.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I think Romney is the front runner at this point. At least the polls say as much. Palin was also a front runner but I think here resignation really hurts her chances. But people have short memories, so maybe in a few years Palin has a chance.

I don't think Huckabee can win by simply going afer the so-called Christian vote. And he is too liberal on economic issues to be win the nomination.

In my opinion, Romney has everything it takes to run a successful campaign. He's proven it the last 8 years. Definitely has the money. However, I don't know if he will ever win a nomination nod simply because of the fact he is Mormon.

[XU 87]

However, I don't know if he will ever win a primary simply because of the fact he is Mormon.

I'm sorry to say it, but his religion apparently is a problem with some on the religious right.

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm sorry to say it, but his religion apparently is a problem with some on the religious right.

As was JFK's.

[XU 87]

As was JFK's.

Before my time, but I thought the concern with his religion was that he would take orders from the Pope.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

As was JFK's.

Before my time as well, but I've heard many people called him a communist and/or directly taking orders from the Pope as well

[UCGRAD4X]

Before my time, but I thought the concern with his religion was that he would take orders from the Pope.

Who do you suppose was most concerned about that?

[XU 87]

Who do you suppose was most concerned about that?

I don't know. Jews, Protestants and atheists?

[UCGRAD4X]

I don't know. Jews, Protestants and atheists?

It wasn't the Jewish, Protestant and atheist liberals!

[bobbiemcgee]

I don't know. Jews, Protestants and atheists?

JFK got 81% of the Jewish vote, 20% more than the jewish Stevenson several year earlier. He won by 118,000 votes out of 68 million.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Heres a recent poll saying "majority of Republicans don't think Palin qualified to be President"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/14/poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-palins-qualified-to-be-president/?eref=politicalflipper

I guarentee within the next 2-4 weeks, she will be involved in some sort of controversy where she plays the victim to increase her public perception. She has done this nearly everytime there is an unfavorable poll released.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Heres a recent poll saying "majority of Republicans don't think Palin qualified to be President"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/14/poll-majority-of-republicans-dont-think-palins-qualified-to-be-president/?eref=politicalflipper

I guarentee within the next 2-4 weeks, she will be involved in some sort of controversy where she plays the victim to increase her public perception. She has done this nearly everytime there is an unfavorable poll released.

It's not the number of Republicans that like her, it's which Republicans like her. There's only a tiny chance she gets the nomination in 2012 (the only chance is a wholly unbeatable Obama and the GOP not wanting to waste Pawlenty, Jindal or someone else), but as long as the high dollar segment of the GOP like her, she'll have a significant voice in the party.

[Snipe]

I would like to know what was more moderate about McCain in 2000? McCain to me doesn't seem to change much. I never liked him ever. I am a conservative. I think he was always a moderate. I am interested in the explanation of how he went from a moderate to a move to the "extreme right". Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him.

You make me think some crazy thoughts. If you think that John McCain represented the "extreme right" in the last election, I don't know what to say. I guess we have different definitions of words.


If no one on the extreme right accepted him, then how did he get the nomination? They have some serious power and pull for the GOP.

I said he moved more to the right than in 2000 because of his experience against Bush in the primaries.

I said he appealed more to the extreme right, which pushed him over the edge in the primaries. How else do you think he beat Mitt, Huckabee, Giuliani, etc? If he was running like he did in 2000, as more of the same moderate that he used to be, than he would have never gotten the nomination for the republican party.

I asked you why you consider McCain "extreme right". You answered that he won that nomination, which proves he is extreme right. That is incredible.

Any Republican that wins the nomination must be extreme right by definition in your view.

McCain was a good guy when he lost and was critical of Bush. When he won the nomination, he must be some right wing fanatic.

What a warped view of the world. I never liked McCain. McCain was a walking, talking disaster. McCain wanted to bail out everyone who couldn't pay their mortgage. McCain admitted that he knew nothing about economics. McCain has consistently been a populist and an opportunist.

You are way off.

[Snipe]

I also want to add a bit about how liberals embraced him when he went after Bush. I touched on that in the last post. He was a hero. He was a truth teller. He was a crusader for what was right, speaking truth to power. Now he is just a right wing loon that has lost his mind.

He has always been the same guy. Granted he is a war hero, but other than that he is clueless. Check out the campaign finance laws that we have.

McCain wants to limit the influence of business and political contributors in the election process. That is fine in of it itself. Many people wnat that.

McCain also wants the government to heavily regulate business.

It really is one or the other. If the government is going to get into every business and industry it only gives an incentive to business and industry to get involved to shape the way goverment makes the rules. They do this by lobbying. That is how they help shape the rules. You can't have big government without big lobbies.

Think about this.

Bill Gates used to joke about how he was from the "other Washington". He had one lobbyest in DC at one point, and he was the richest man in the world. They almost brought him to his knees when Congress went after him. The anti-trust hearings he had to attend, and Senators grilled him with glee. Today Microsoft has the best lawyers in town and a bunch of them.

This also:

Walmart had nothing to do with Washington DC in the early years. They didn't care. They employ more people than any other company in the world. They have the best prices and the world's best distribution and logistics and inventory system. It is an incredible company. When Walmart became a policital target they had nobody lobbying for them. Today they probably spend as much money today as any individual company in lobbying. I think they are #1 or close to it. They used to be somewhere in the 700's just a few years ago.

The unions gave money to the people in our government, and the unions wanted to go after Wal Mart. Wal Mart responded by giving mony to the people in our government to fight the unions. Who really wins? The people in our government, who will get money for both winners and losers because in our system you now have to pay to play.

Whenever you want to regulate business, business will want to regulate government. John McCain doesn't seem to understand that. And his campaign finance laws violate our sacred First Amendment anyway. I never liked him. Muskie Nick is a complete McCain suck up. He also thought that McCain suddenly became "right wing". Nothing about McCain has ever been right wind. Muskie Nick voted for Obama after years of praising McCain. Nobody really likes him to tell the truth, not on the right or the left.

[Snipe]

I agree, Snipe. McCain has always been somewhat of a moderate and his only concession to the Right in 2008 was the selection of his running mate (which turned out to be a disaster).


I am really not the biggest Palin fan. I do defend her on this thread. Palin was the best thing that happened to McCain. McCain wanted to nominate Joe Liberman. That came out.

Liberman is a liberal democrat on all other issues outside of the Iraq War. He got crucified and basically expelled from his party for standing by his vote. All other Democratic candidates cept Obama voted for it too, they just came out and publicly said that Bush lied or they were against the war now.

Obama didn't have a vote. He was fresh out of being a community organizer and was in ILL state politics. It is amazing how fast he has rizen from the time he was a lawyer against Citibank aruging that they should give loans that eventually went bust for the minority population. At one point he agreed with Bush too, he just didn't have a vote. Every democrat that was in the race that had a chance to vote for Iraq did vote for the war. It is what it is. They voted for George Bush's policies.

Why did Palin turn out to be a disaster? Because McCain lost? You didn't even vote for him. Your boy was going to be President, and you didn't even vote for him after years of advocacy. Are you telling me that the vice president meant that much to you? Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden? Imagine if Biden was running the country. He is only a heartbeat away. Make that argument.

[Snipe]

I would like to know what was more moderate about McCain in 2000? McCain to me doesn't seem to change much. I never liked him ever. I am a conservative. I think he was always a moderate. I am interested in the explanation of how he went from a moderate to a move to the "extreme right". Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him.

You make me think some crazy thoughts. If you think that John McCain represented the "extreme right" in the last election, I don't know what to say. I guess we have different definitions of words.




Jerry Falwell in 2006.

James Dobson

Trent Lott

Gary Bauer

George W. Bush



Let's go down the list.

1) James Dobson (http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/sanctity_of_life/abortion.aspx)

Dobson is a right to lifer. I guess any right to lifer is an extremist. If you talk about infantcide or the sanctity of life you are off the charts. That is his whole deal. He is an extremist because he doesn't want to kill babies. I thought that you were sympathtic with those thoughts. You have led me to believe that you were against infantcide.

Maybe Dobson is in your doghouse because of Gay Marriage. Maybe it is because of his views on the stem cell research. Maybe it is a collection of those. Maybe you just don't like him.


Dobson endorsed McCain because he thought America needed a Pro-Family and Pro-Life President. What a radical. He doesn't like killing babies. He endorsed the guy who thought like he did, as opposed to Obama who fought for babies to die alone in a soiled utitily closet in a Chicago hospital. Who is the extremist there? Babies were born alive and left to die alone. I can give you a pointer on that if you want one.

If you want I can link the account of the nurse that complained. The babies were actually born and she didn't want to leave them alone in a soiled utitity closet. She didn't want them to die alone and so cold. The parents came in for an abortion. They wanted to kill those babies. They didn't want to hold them until they died.

Point taken for James Dobson.

2) Trent Lott

Trent Lott was both a Republican Senator and a Democratic Senator. He finished his careeer as a Republican, and he endorsed the Republican candidate. At one point he was the Democratic party Whip. I guess the former Democratic Party Whip is an extemist who endorsed John McCain. Are you serious?

3) Gary Bauer

Who is Gary Bauer?

4) Jeff Hagee

I have never heard of Jeff Hagee, but I am sure to you he is important.

5) George W. Bush

How is Geoge W. Bush a member of the exteme right? Plenty of republicans have rejected him. I repudiated him as well, and I am not a centrist. His populatity numbers were the worst of any president if I can remember. Plenty of people on the right didn't like his domestic spending, spending, and spending.

Outside of Iraq, what makes him a right wing extremist?

World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War were all started by a Democratic president with the support of a Democratic Congress. He is the first Republican to initiate a major war. That may make him an extremist, but that makes him an extremist to Republicans. Many Republicans and libertarians were against it. Democrats, as I have noted voted for it.

Is George W. really a member of the extreme right? I would argue that he is a big government liberal. He does think that govenment can solve your problems.

Edit: I missed your first one, Jerry Falwell in 2006.

Don't know much about Falwell, but if he endorsed McCain in 2006 that is impressive. Nobody like McCain in 2006. Much less 2008 cept for Muskie Nick.

[DC Muskie]

Snipe here is your response:

"Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him."

I gave you a list of more then one.

You then proceeded to say that Trent Lott was a Democrat, forgetting of course that Sounthern Democrats were so conservative, they didn't want to intergrate. But I guess that doesn't matter to you, because that goes against your argument.

You've never heard of Gary Bauer and Jeff Hagee? And you consider yourself a conservative? Where have you been, say for the last 40 years?

I think your argument basically comes down to this...

Whatever YOU define as extreme right justifies that no one supported McCain. There are plenty of people who think James Dobson is extreme right. He opposses all legalized gambling. I guess that isn't extreme because he doesn't want people to spend time enjoying a day at the racebook because he thinks God opposses it.

In one of your posts you commented about unions. Well, unions brought you the five day work week, and weekends, and child labor laws. I guess they are extreme left because they want medical coverage from companies.

In the end, even if you don't agree with anything I have said, which I would be shocked if you didn't, Jerry Fawell is the one on the extreme right who endorsed McCain, therefore, disputing your claim that:

"Nobody on the "extreme right" accepted him."

[DC Muskie]

[QUOTE=Snipe;135070Palin was the best thing that happened to McCain.[/QUOTE]

McCain won the Republican nomination while Sarah Palin was gutting fish d riding snowmobiles in Alaska.

McCain lost the election by 192 electoral votes. How did Palin help him? Would he have lost even more? He had fewer electoral votes then John Kerry in 2004.

If the best McCain could have ever done was put a first term cut and runner on the ticket, then he never stood a chance.

[XU 87]

Never mind. I'm staying out of this.

[DC Muskie]

Never mind. I'm staying out of this.

That's a good idea. I probably will join you.

[XUglow]

2) Trent Lott

Trent Lott was both a Republican Senator and a Democratic Senator. He finished his careeer as a Republican, and he endorsed the Republican candidate. At one point he was the Democratic party Whip. I guess the former Democratic Party Whip is an extemist who endorsed John McCain. Are you serious?


Trent Lott was raised as a southern conservative Democrat when the south still held the Republican Party responsible for the ill-treatment they received during reconstruction. Sounds funny, but it is true. That all switched over in the 60's when Southern conservative Democrats no longer felt they had a place within the Democratic Party. Lott worked in Washington for William Colmer, a Democratic congressman, and replaced Colmer when he retired by winning that seat as a Republican. Lott was never elected as anything as a Democrat.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I asked you why you consider McCain "extreme right". You answered that he won that nomination, which proves he is extreme right. That is incredible.

Any Republican that wins the nomination must be extreme right by definition in your view.

McCain was a good guy when he lost and was critical of Bush. When he won the nomination, he must be some right wing fanatic.

What a warped view of the world. I never liked McCain. McCain was a walking, talking disaster. McCain wanted to bail out everyone who couldn't pay their mortgage. McCain admitted that he knew nothing about economics. McCain has consistently been a populist and an opportunist.

You are way off.

Completely false. I never once said McCain is extreme right. You're equating me saying that "he pandered to the extreme right = McCain is extreme right". Theres a serious flaw in that equation.. Of course McCain is a moderate.. you think he didn't pander to the extreme right to get the nomination? There is no way McCain could have beaten Mitt if he hadn't! McCain was and always has been a great guy. A war hero.

I mentioned the 2000 elections. Look at the Bush/Rove smear tactics they used in South Carolina in 2000! It was awful. McCain never retaliated but unfortunately he never recovered.

This election he was MUCH MUCH more political. He played his base, he pandered to the Rush/Beck/Hannity crowd that think he's a RINO. He did late in the primaries to get nominated and then chose Palin to solidify that. Palin absolutely cost him his shot at the white house.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Never mind. I'm staying out of this.

I'm staying in. Were all Muskie fans here. I will make respectful posts. I like a good disagreement. I completely disagree with Snipe, but that doesn't mean that I will attack him personally (although he came after me a couple times). I like what everyone has brought something to the table, gives me more perspective. I'll be the first to say "I am wrong I agree with you" if I believe I am.

But I stick by my words about Palin. 2-4 weeks. Another playing the victim controversy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Snipe - "Palin was the best thing that happened to McCain".

In hindsight, you might get 3 people to agree with you on that statement.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Snipe - "Palin was the best thing that happened to McCain".

In hindsight, you might get 3 people to agree with you on that statement.

Another ethics complaint filed against Palin. That makes 18 now

[Kahns Krazy]

Another ethics complaint filed against Palin. That makes 18 now

Which is 12 fewer than the number of posts you have made to this idiotic thread.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Which is 12 fewer than the number of posts you have made to this idiotic thread.

Why is it idiotic? Why are you so bitter?

[Snipe]

I will make respectful posts. I like a good disagreement. I completely disagree with Snipe, but that doesn't mean that I will attack him personally (although he came after me a couple times).


I blame the bottle. I have a drinking problem.

DC I have heard of Gary Bauer. Maybe he does have a lot of influence. I don't pay much attention to the social conservatives. I haven't seen him on the news stations in awhile. I have no clue who Jeff Hagee is. I am a libertarian so the bible thumpers mean very little to me.

Glow, I couldn't read Wikipedia straight on Trent Lott. I was dead wrong on that. Never cared for him anyway. He never struck me as an extremist, but I don't have a great working definition of who the extreme right is. To me it would be small government libertarians. To some it would be the bible thumpers. To others it could be both.

Palin doesn't strike me as extreme. She could have been any political party. She rose to Gov as a worker bee on a good government platform. She exposed corruption in the Oil contracts, she raised taxes on the oil companies. She fought corruption in her own party. And she fought to open up drilling to increase revenue and increase job. I think she presided over on of the largest capital energy projects in the history of the American energy sector. I think that is the new pipeline. She also tried to get all the earmarks she could when she was mayor. She is more of a populist than an ideological zealot. She wasn't extreme anything. She wasn't campaigning on the bible or family values or gay marriage. People in Alaska tend to be a tolerant lot anyway. They like to be left alone.

She was a worker bee. A non nonsense conservative get things done type of girl. She isn't the messiah but she was tremendously effective and she ran the state of Alaska well. She has her faults. She wouldn't be my pick. But if you look at her resume, what she has accomplished and how she got where she is it wasn't because she was some sort of right wing extremist. You don't have to like her but people could give her a little more respect.

I intend to have a few beers and then come back her and disregard all known facts.

[Strange Brew]

Snipe, just for fun did you see Dowd's column in the NY Times today? If not, it's interesting and I think DC would even have a hard time defending it.

If you're too lazy to look it up. Here it is:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/opinion/15dowd.html?_r=1

[Snipe]

That is what Dowd does. So fresh to see the Republicans as racist angle in play yet again.

[Snipe]

Another ethics complaint filed against Palin. That makes 18 now

I think that complaint has already been dismissed.

Ethics complaint against Palin dismissed (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gCtWK2H4DB8_dsDrOrfpgC_9RrRwD99F8L600)

Not one of the complaints has stuck yet. It seems the strategy is to just file the complaints and then boast that Palin has had such and such a number of ethics complaints.

Does it reflect poorly on Palin that she has had 18 ethics complaints? It seems that you believe that.

Does it reflect poorly on Democrats that they keep filing ethics complaints that get dismissed? How much does that cost the taxpayer? Seems pretty childish.

[DC Muskie]

...I think DC would even have a hard time defending it.

Why do you think that?

I don't see anything wrong with what she wrote. I don't see anything wrong with a Supreme Court that reflects society.

I'm not surprised you disagree with her. Heck even a libertarian who's a registered Democrat doesn't like her. That's about as fresh as the GOP are racists angle.

[Snipe]

I'm not surprised you disagree with her. Heck even a libertarian who's a registered Democrat doesn't like her. That's about as fresh as the GOP are racists angle.

You do realize that you are the one who started it years ago by claiming to be a Republican.

Truth is I am a registered Democrat. I vote in Democratic primaries to have a say in local state offices and judgeships. My state rep and state senator are always going to be Democrats. The real election is in the primary.

I like to think of myself as the new voice of the Democratic party.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I think that complaint has already been dismissed.

Ethics complaint against Palin dismissed (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gCtWK2H4DB8_dsDrOrfpgC_9RrRwD99F8L600)

Not one of the complaints has stuck yet. It seems the strategy is to just file the complaints and then boast that Palin has had such and such a number of ethics complaints.

Does it reflect poorly on Palin that she has had 18 ethics complaints? It seems that you believe that.

Does it reflect poorly on Democrats that they keep filing ethics complaints that get dismissed? How much does that cost the taxpayer? Seems pretty childish.

You may be absolutely right. Who knows? I just think where theres smoke, theres fire.

[Kahns Krazy]

You do realize that you are the one who started it years ago by claiming to be a Republican.

Truth is I am a registered Democrat. I vote in Democratic primaries to have a say in local state offices and judgeships. My state rep and state senator are always going to be Democrats. The real election is in the primary.

I like to think of myself as the new voice of the Democratic party.

For some reason, I doubt this is the whole story.

[Snipe]

I even got calls from Obama on election day. Man they ran a tight operation. They had a list of registered dems and they had people monitoring the voting sites. They would check people off the list once they voted, and they would call everyone else on the list. I had three calls to my house and somebody from the Obama campaign even stopped by. The money and the organization was incredible.

When I went to actually vote I think Obama had more people at the poll than poll workers and voters combined. I expected more people voting on that day, by my local voting place is always a wasteland when I show up. The people that were there voting were excited though. It was cool to see the people so excited.

[DC Muskie]

You do realize that you are the one who started it years ago by claiming to be a Republican.

Truth is I am a registered Democrat. I vote in Democratic primaries to have a say in local state offices and judgeships. My state rep and state senator are always going to be Democrats. The real election is in the primary.

I like to think of myself as the new voice of the Democratic party.

I am a registered Republican. I don't know how that started anything. I certainly don't claim to be a Libertarian and I vote in Republican primaries, which is about as meaningful as not voting at all out here.

I haven't voted for a Republican since 1996. There is a good chance that could change in 2010 here in Maryland.

[Snipe]

You may be absolutely right. Who knows? I just think where theres smoke, theres fire.

I know. I told you. You know too. Every ethics complaint has been dismissed so far.

She has won every case. You don't like when she complains about it, yet you celebrate when people file frivolous ethics complaints. I would say you are part of the problem that divides us.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I know. I told you. You know too. Every ethics complaint has been dismissed so far.

She has won every case. You don't like when she complains about it, yet you celebrate when people file frivolous ethics complaints. I would say you are part of the problem that divides us.

Not at all.

She divides us because of the reasons I mentioned about 8 pages back. She divides the Republican Party. She divides you and me for many reasons. We have different philosophies.

How am I to blame for other people in Alaska's actions? When did I say I celebrated?

Was that also on that post where I claimed John McCain was extemely on the right? And next to the post where I said Rush Limbaugh was an avid supporter of Obama? And that the Washington Nationals are the best team in MLB? Nick Cage is the best actor in the history of acting?

Oh wait that was in bizarro world

[Snipe]

You are clearly cheerleading and you don't want to admit it. You are not a disinterested observer.

Does Obama divide us?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

You are clearly cheerleading and you don't want to admit it. You are not a disinterested observer.

Does Obama divide us?

Cheerleading? its amazing you have the ability to see words that aren't written.

Conspiracy theories from you aside, of course Obama divides us. But once again, this topic is on Palin and you're digressing.

That is the tactic of the political parties these days unfortunately. Everything is blamed on the other party. No one is willing to go to the middle to cooperate anymore. No one is willing to take responsibility.

[Snipe]

It is not a conspiracy theory, you were cheerleading in my opinion.

And yes Obama divides us. Palin divides us. Al Gore divides us. The NFL divides us.

Why does Palin divide us? Because you don't like her. She didn't come to be gov by taking some extreme right path. She has been reaching out to moderates and has even offered to campaign for Democrats who support her views on limited government. Will anyone take her up on it? Probably not.

Everyone and everything is divisive because we don't all agree and have the same preferences. Just because some people don't like her doesn't make her an extremist.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

It is not a conspiracy theory, you were cheerleading in my opinion.

And yes Obama divides us. Palin divides us. Al Gore divides us. The NFL divides us.

Why does Palin divide us? Because you don't like her. She didn't come to be gov by taking some extreme right path. She has been reaching out to moderates and has even offered to campaign for Democrats who support her views on limited government. Will anyone take her up on it? Probably not.

Everyone and everything is divisive because we don't all agree and have the same preferences. Just because some people don't like her doesn't make her an extremist.

Here's my reasons before of why she divides you and I, the republicans, and women...Copy and reposted from a prior post along with some others....

1)She said American Servicemembers were being sent to Iraq to fight as a "task from God." In her singular interview with the media, she denied ever saying it, even after Charlie Gibson confronted her with her exact words. It's frightening that Sarah Palin is claiming to speak for God.
2) Theres a video of her being exorcised on youtube
3) She wants to teach Creationism in public schools.
4)The whole bridge to nowhere flip flop. Also that she claims she never takes earmarks, yet she does constantly. (I know every politician does, but that was part of her talking points at every speech and rally she gave)
5) She went the longest time after the Couric interview never speaking to the media. You're campaigning to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, you can't go weeks during an intense campaign trail and not talk to any major news networks or newspapers.
6) Her Chief of Police Charging women $1000 dollars for rape kits
7) Her folksy attititude - to me its an act. Plain as day. (subjective I know, but lets face it. Public speaking and use of words is a crucial part of being elected today). She has a problem of stringing together coherant sentences. Look at her recent resignation speech. Disjointed, incoherrant at times, rambling. (My opinion yes, but shared by many other republicans and most democrats)
8) She doesn't support abortion in cases of rape and incest.
9) Wasilla was left in serious financial trouble because of her $15 million multi-use indoor ice arena was supposed to be her legacy as the mayor fiasco
10) While defending the phrase “one nation under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, Palin said, “If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.” The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, long after the founding fathers died. The phrase “one nation under God” was added in 1954….
11) She opposes the use of birth control in all cases, including married couples.
12) Fellow Republican State Senate President Lyda Green from Palin’s own town said,”She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? Look at what she’s done to this state. What will she do to the nation?” referring to an oil tax increase Palin pushed through and a $500 million state subsidy Palin awarded to a Canadian firm to build a natural gas pipeline with an uncertain future.


Being exorcised is not extreme???? Claiming to speak for God isn't extreme???? Wanting to teach creationism in a science class at public schools isn't extreme?????

[XU 87]

I just think where theres smoke, theres fire.

That's a pretty naive statement.

And after reading your post above, Perhaps you should source some of your accusations, such as the exorcism comment.

And when did she claim to speak for God? Are you equating the statement that fighting in the Iraq war is "a task from God" equates to "I speak for God when I say this"? And when did she claim she NEVER took any earmarks? The rape kit charge- Wasilla was charging the victim's health insurance company.

It appears that you are taking great ilberties with the truth as well as exaggerating the truth- such as your exorcism and rape kit comments.

You don't like her. That's ok. One can make pretty good arguments that she is not ready to be the President. But let's not make things up or exaggerate to prove your point.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

That's a pretty naive statement.

And after reading your post above, Perhaps you should source some of your accusations, such as the exorcism comment.

And when did she claim to speak for God? And when did she claim she NEVER took any earmarks?

It appears that you are taking great ilberties with the truth as well as exaggerating the truth- such as your exorcism comment.

Exorcism/witchcraft display to keep her safe from evil spirits - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

Speak for God - "Alaskan Pipeline is God's Will" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA
"God's Plan" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related

http://www.zimbio.com/Sarah+Palin/articles/576/Jake+Elwood+Mission+God

It's well documented.

Then she denied it in an interview with ABC when its on video saying she is quoting Abraham Lincoln. Gibson went on with her about her other comments. And she went off topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K5GdUjgTTk

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Exorcism/witchcraft display to keep her safe from evil spirits - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

Speak for God - "Alaskan Pipeline is God's Will" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA
"God's Plan" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related

http://www.zimbio.com/Sarah+Palin/articles/576/Jake+Elwood+Mission+God

It's well documented.

Then she denied it in an interview with ABC when its on video saying she is quoting Abraham Lincoln. Gibson went on with her about her other comments. And she went off topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K5GdUjgTTk

Sorry didn't see your rape kits question. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/index.html. And looking back at my post now i'll reword it to the town. C'mon theres something she could have done...Alaska has the highest ratio of rape out of any state in the country according to the article. But to be fair there are articles written about how the allegations are false. http://www.lifenews.com/nat4364.html

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

You don't like her. That's ok. One can make pretty good arguments that she is not ready to be the President. But let's not make things up or exaggerate to prove your point.

I think she's a very nice woman. I think she has a ton of great qualities. I just think she'll do more harm than good (I say the same about Obama). She divides the republican party. Normally I wouldn't care who a VP pick was to this extent. But being the fact that McCain is old, there is/was and should be a lot of researching of his VP Pick. Now that she probably plans on running for president in 2012, its a whole new ballgame

[XU 87]

I watched the Youtube before writing my post and your exorcism comment is a distortion. It was a two minute prayer service in church where Palin stood in front of the congregation. Yes, the minister, who is apparently foreign, mentioned the word "witchcraft" at the end. But your post implies as though Palin thought she was taken over by the devil and they did some sort of exorcism straight out of the movie. You exaggerated. By the way, when we have to say "we reject Satan" at church, does that qualify as an exorcism?

Your rape kit comment is a distortion- they charged the insurance company. You wrote as though the victim was handed a bill and told to "pay cash now before you get the test."

Saying something is "God's will" is not the same as saying "I speak for God." You have again exaggerated. When I had a relative die a few years ago another relative mentioned that it was "God's will". Should I call her and accuse her of blasphemy for claiming she was speaking for God?

[Kahns Krazy]

Now that she plans on running for president in 2012, its a whole new ballgame


I think I missed something.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I watched the Youtube before writing my post and your exorcism comment is a distortion. It was a two minute prayer service in church where Palin stood in front of the congregation. Yes, the minister, who is apparently foreign, mentioned the word "witchcraft" at the end. But your post implies as though Palin thought she was taken over by the devil and they did some sort of exorcism straight out of the movie. You exaggerated. By the way, when we have to say "we reject Satan" at church, does that qualify as an exorcism?

Your rape kit comment is a distortion- they charged the insurance company. You wrote as though the victim was handed a bill and told to "pay cash now before you get the test."

Saying something is "God's will" is not the same as saying "I speak for God." You have again exaggerated. When I had a relative die a few years ago another relative mentioned that it was "God's will". Should I call her and accuse her of blasphemy for claiming she was speaking for God?

Good points.

1) You can see how the YouTube video might scare off the moderates in the Republican Party right? You can see how someone watching the video might be afraid to put someone who needs to ward off evil spirits in a position of power over a country full of citizens with varying belief systems that differ to hers, no? The separation of church and state is a key issue today in the United States.
2) The rape kit sentence was poorly worded and I apologize for that. But it doesn't change the fact that she could have changed the situation if she wanted to. She had to have known. A mayor in a town of 7000 people had to have known about this police chief.
3) I'm sorry to hear about your relative, but that situation you presented is more of a traditional view towards death to help with the grieving process. I think its different than this situation. This has to do with a politician claiming that a pipeline is "God's Will" to help get a project approved. If someone says it's God's Will as it pertains to an idea or project, then they are effectively speaking for God saying "He wants us to do this". How else can one interpret that comment?

I'm a McCain supporter, but not a Palin supporter. There are a ton just like me. Just as I'm sure there are many Palin supporters, but not McCain supporters. That's the divide I'm talking about.

[Snipe]

I would call that a blessing and not an exorcism. I think she is very active in her church. I don't think that should disqualify her from public office. I don't remember her pushing her religion much on the stump.

As for her dividing republicans, I heard today on El Rushbo that she has the highest approval ratings in the Republican party. He said 72%. Sure people are still divided, but they are divided about everything under the sun. I wish for fair play people in the press would contsantly tout Obama as divisive.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2009/07/obama_index_july_9_2009-thumb-410x307.jpg

Also for fair play at least I didn't see her pastor yelling God Damn America, or blaming 9/11 on America, or even that AIDs was an invention of the US Government. Sarah may be a wacky Christian, but she wouldn't be alone.

I know you don't like it when I change the subject like that but I think it is a valid comparison. Sarah Palin did a good job running Alaska. The only thing our community organizer ever ran was a campaign. If we are going to knock her for not being qualified to be VP, I think we should consider how qualified the Messiah is.

Sarah Palin wasn't my candidate. I didn't pick her. I never liked John McCain. The only reason that the "extreme right" would have to vote for him is the lesser of two evils. The Communist party supported Obama. DC Muskie thinks he can link James Dobson with McCain. Why would Dobson or any anti abortion person vote for Barack Obama after his "Born Alive" fiasco in Illinois? McCain wasn't anyone's dream candidate.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I think I missed something.

Sorry changed it for you

[bobbiemcgee]

I think I missed something.

I think at this point she's going after the money. She has a 3 million dollar book deal and can probably get 20-25k a speech from right wingers, so why waste time with the paltry Gov's salary. She can "get out of the kitchen" and make a fortune.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Great points by all. I'm really enjoying this discussion. Unfortunately I have to head to work...Damn.

[Snipe]

For some reason, I doubt this is the whole story.


That is the whole story. I know how dirty some of the local dems are and I have heard some stories from sources I know to be true. I vote in the Democratic primaries to vote against the frauds on the local level. I never vote for or against any race that I know nothing about. I only vote what I know. I recommend this to everyone. If you go straight line for either party you are bound to vote for some flat out crooks. Don't let them have your vote if you don't know. Please.

[XU 87]

Good points.

1) You can see how the YouTube video might scare off the moderates in the Republican Party right?

The separation of church and state is a key issue today in the United States.

2) The rape kit sentence was poorly worded and I apologize for that. But it doesn't change the fact that she could have changed the situation if she wanted to. She had to have known. A mayor in a town of 7000 people had to have known about this police chief.

3) I'm sorry to hear about your relative, but that situation you presented is more of a traditional view towards death to help with the grieving process. I think its different than this situation. This has to do with a politician claiming that a pipeline is "God's Will" to help get a project approved. If someone says it's God's Will as it pertains to an idea or project, then they are effectively speaking for God saying "He wants us to do this". How else can one interpret that comment?



1) No- it was a 2 minute blessing which some, like you, exaggerate.

2) The constitution never mentions the term "separation of church and state". That is a made up term by liberal judges. The constitution simply says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof...."

3) Why change the "situation"? For that matter, what "situation" are you referring to?They were billing an insurance company. Are you against that? If I get shot tomorrow, should the state pay my medical bills or is it ok for my health insurance to pay for them? But I appreciate the article you posted from CNN which again proves my point about liberal media bias. This was a made up issue.

4) People invoke "God" all the time. You don't like that. But that does not then equate to a person thinking "I speak for God". By the way, at Mass we have petitions where we pray for all kinds of things. I was once at a Mass in a farm community where we prayed for "fair crop prices". People pray for and invoke "God" at numerous times and under numerous circumstances. But when Palin does it, the left, with help from their friends in the media (see CNN article) proclaim she's some sort of mentally unbalanced religious wacko who almost thinks she's God.

5) I have to get back to work.

[Snipe]

I think at this point she's going after the money. She has a 3 million dollar book deal and can probably get 20-25k a speech from right wingers, so why waste time with the paltry Gov's salary. She can "get out of the kitchen" and make a fortune.


I think money is a tremendous incentive. If I were in her shoes I would cash in and be a very rich person. It appears that she is going to do that. I can't blame her one bit.

[Kahns Krazy]

Great points by all. I'm really enjoying this discussion. Unfortunately I have to head to work...Damn.

Thank god. I hate when my fries are cold.

[DC Muskie]

The Communist party supported Obama.

Al-Queda endorsed John McCain.


DC Muskie thinks he can link James Dobson with McCain.

I don't think I can, I know I can since Dobson endorsed McCain, therefore linking himself to the senior Senator from Arizona.


Why would Dobson or any anti abortion person vote for Barack Obama after his "Born Alive" fiasco in Illinois? McCain wasn't anyone's dream candidate.

I'm not sure either, but I think there were other candidates running for President then just Republicans and Democrats. I think you might even vote for them time to time depending on the candidate and the election.

[Strange Brew]

Why do you think that?

I don't see anything wrong with what she wrote. I don't see anything wrong with a Supreme Court that reflects society.

I'm not surprised you disagree with her. Heck even a libertarian who's a registered Democrat doesn't like her. That's about as fresh as the GOP are racists angle.

DC, I should've put a :D after the comment that referenced you. You know I enjoy your opinion (good debate is great).

For the record, I really don't have a huge problem with Sonja. I just wish that people would admit that the "wise Latina" comment was in fact racist and that the Ricci decision was legally incorrect in a society that believes that Justice is blind. Dowd and the article, well.......I'll refrain from comment.

Just for fun and in response to your comment. After this justice is confirmed the SC will be a very close reflection of American Society (based of % of population). What is missing is an Asian justice and 2 more woman. Not avocating one way or another but I'd rather look for most qualified (not that she isn't) rather than filling the court with people that reflect the racial make up of the counry.

[DC Muskie]

Does anybody know is Sotomayor is Catholic?

If so I think that the Catholics have about 400 members on the bench.

[chico]

Yes, she is Catholic.

Catholics have quietly gone from being the "token" member of the bench to the predominant faith represented. I think there are now 5 justices that are Catholic.

[XU 87]

Some of your most brilliant lawyers are Catholic.

[Snipe]

Only one WASP left on the bench. The court used to be made up entirely of WASPs. When he dies I hope we appoint another WASP just for diversity's sake.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Thank god. I hate when my fries are cold.

Wow...An internet warrior...Real tough guy...

[XUglow]

Palin on Yahoo news again...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_ethics_complaint

[XU 87]

What a sham. People who don't like her file ethics complaint after ethics compaint against her. Most have been dismissed but she has to personally pay her legal bills. And she doesn't have the money to pay her legal bills, which bills have been incurred because of her job as governor. So she sets up a legal defense fund, similar to what Bill Clinton did, and then that is declared unethical by some lawyer. And the lawyer's legal analysis is a joke.

Well I have to go. I'm going to get with some of my conservative buddies and file about 20 frivolous ethics complaints against Governor Strickland. And the best part is that if he doesn't have the money to defend these, we will force him to resign. After that, we can force him into bankruptcy over his unpaid legal bills.

What a sham.

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess she'll have to pony up some of the money from the $3 million dollar book deal she got just bcuz she's Sarah Palin....fame has it's ups and downs.

[Snipe]

What a sham. People who don't like her file ethics complaint after ethics compaint against her. Most have been dismissed but she has to personally pay her legal bills. And she doesn't have the money to pay her legal bills, which bills have been incurred because of her job as governor. So she sets up a legal defense fund, similar to what Bill Clinton did, and then that is declared unethical by some lawyer. And the lawyer's legal analysis is a joke.

Well I have to go. I'm going to get with some of my conservative buddies and file about 20 frivolous ethics complaints against Governor Strickland. And the best part is that if he doesn't have the money to defend these, we will force him to resign. After that, we can force him into bankruptcy over his unpaid legal bills.

What a sham.

A sham indeed.


"Coale said that unlike other states, Alaska's governor has no legal counsel's office to defend the governor from allegations brought against the governor in her official capacity."

It appears that she has no option to defend herself from all these complaints other than hiring legal council.


The fund aims to help Palin pay off debts stemming from multiple ethics complaints against her, most of which have been dismissed. Palin says she owes more than $500,000 in legal fees, and she cited the mounting toll of the ethics probes as one of the reasons she is leaving office.

The investigator, Thomas Daniel, sided with Palin in her frustration with having to defend herself against a barrage of ethics complaints. He suggested that Alaska lawmakers may need to create a law that reimburses public officials for legal expenses to defend complaints that end up being unfounded.

Palin's friends and supporters created the Alaska Fund Trust in April, limiting donations to $150 per person. Organizers declined to say how much it has raised, and had hoped to raise about $500,000. A Webathon last month brought in about $130,000 in pledges. Kristan Cole, the fund's trustee, said the fund has been frozen pending the personnel board's review.

In his report, Daniel said his interpretation of the ethics act is consistent with common sense.

An ordinary citizen facing legal charges is not likely to be able to generate donations to a legal defense fund, he wrote. "In contrast, Governor Palin is able to generate donations because of the fact that she is a public official and a public figure. Were it not for the fact that she is governor and a national political figure, it is unlikely that many citizens would donate money to her legal defense fund."

An ordinary citizen wouldn't have all of those frivolous ethics complaints filed against her either.

The whole thing makes me laugh. Palin claims the matter is still pending. I would think she would appeal the ruling. I would think that it would be something if the only ethics complaint that they could get her on was for setting up a legal defense fund to deal with all ethics complaints. That is rich. Kinda made my day in a geeky wonkish way.